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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 10, 2019 16:44:53 GMT
As I recall, it was this video that turned me on and inspired me to using bicycle inner tube take-outs, free from bike shop trash, to use for exercise - any band exercise within the limits of the tube. It feels to me like bicycle inner tubes don't stretch as far as, say, Bruce's bands and the 'fatter' tubes seem to stretch less than 'skinnier' ones.
I tend to think it was posted by Fred on his Strandpulling forum a number of years ago?
CAUTION: My experience with bic inner tubes is that they WILL snap apart about 5" or so from the valve stem when under extreme tension. I discovered this while doing an OHP with one early on. I was standing on one part of the loop and pressing upward. Never reached full extension before it snapped apart. It didn't hurt me, but it was definitely a surprise. Now, before I use them, I stretch them until they come apart where they will - always been a clean break around the circumference at a line on the tube. After you pop a few, you'll understand. I don't cut them, but instead, tension them until they break at the weakest spot. That way, the tube determines the separation and I have not had any break anywhere other than that first, tube-determined, weak spot.
EDIT: I should add that it's probably a good idea to be aware of where the inner tube was punctured (the reason they were in the trash, of course) or leaked because that also weakens it. I also remove the Schrader valve from the stem, but I don't cut the stem away, just in case doing so would also compromise the integrity of the tube at that spot.
Then, I use them like a regular length of elastic band/tubing, tying knots in the ends or whatever.
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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 10, 2019 17:03:16 GMT
I just watch the video again, after so many years, and realized that what he demonstrates; ballistic, explosive, multiple reps - is NOT at all how I use bands anymore!
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Post by jrmeatplow on Feb 10, 2019 21:33:57 GMT
I don't know how to grapple but I went to a couple classes years ago and people said I was real strong when I wasn't strong in the barbell sense at all. I put it down to isometrics, which I'd been doing max effort-style with a fabric belt and also with an ivanko gripper. It seemed to give me the ability just to keep on resisting like if somebody was trying to move my arm round (obviously not actually to resist against a kimura but before it got to that stage). I think isometric strength and endurance is the missing link in the majority of grappling strength and conditioning. A few may do some planks or bridges for time, but thats probably about it. |
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Apr 16, 2019 17:48:12 GMT
Boy, meaties, you are built like a true power lifter! Very impressive!
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Post by jrmeatplow on Apr 16, 2019 18:46:10 GMT
Boy, meaties, you are built like a true power lifter! Very impressive! thanks Bruce. I'm down to around 192lbs right now. Started running a few weeks back and when I do the weight starts to come off. Plus, with the weather getting a lot nicer I've been outside more, so that helps too. |
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Post by Michael on Apr 16, 2019 18:47:07 GMT
Yeah, that's a impressive display of power. Some of his training sessions are on another level.
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Post by jrmeatplow on Apr 16, 2019 19:53:40 GMT
Yeah, that's a impressive display of power. Some of his training sessions are on another level. thanks Michael, but please don't take me seriously! |
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Post by chanduthemagician on Apr 17, 2019 5:28:11 GMT
Personally I've long felt that pure strength is not that great for sports unless the sport is powerlifting. Most sports rely more on speed or explosive strength than pure grind it out strength. The martial arts are a LOT of technique. Yes you can't be weak, but you don't have to have a triple bw squat to win and at some point you may detract from your sport training because strength training requires too much time and recovery.
JrMeatPlow, I was you until about 10 years ago. I could have been a hell of a lot better in football (american) and wrestling if I would have got the hell out of the weight room and worked on the sport more directly. Oh well, I enjoyed the hell out of lifting.
Firas Zahabi has some great stuff on youtube. Some of his ask anything vids where he talks about his beliefs on strength and martial arts. Good stuff.
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Post by jrmeatplow on Apr 17, 2019 10:15:13 GMT
Personally I've long felt that pure strength is not that great for sports unless the sport is powerlifting. Most sports rely more on speed or explosive strength than pure grind it out strength. The martial arts are a LOT of technique. Yes you can't be weak, but you don't have to have a triple bw squat to win and at some point you may detract from your sport training because strength training requires too much time and recovery. JrMeatPlow, I was you until about 10 years ago. I could have been a hell of a lot better in football (american) and wrestling if I would have got the hell out of the weight room and worked on the sport more directly. Oh well, I enjoyed the hell out of lifting. Firas Zahabi has some great stuff on youtube. Some of his ask anything vids where he talks about his beliefs on strength and martial arts. Good stuff. I agree. Too much heavy strength training takes away from the art. I've found that in BJJ that I just need loads of gas with just enough strength. I try to never use strength, but when I do, its actually more isometric than anything else. I find I hardly ever use any explosive strength. Now judo is another story. Its being able to to totally relax and then explode in a blink of an eye. I'm not sure when all useful strength was judged by the big 3. There is an entire universe beyond them if you get hooked. |
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Post by chanduthemagician on Apr 17, 2019 14:50:08 GMT
Personally I've long felt that pure strength is not that great for sports unless the sport is powerlifting. Most sports rely more on speed or explosive strength than pure grind it out strength. The martial arts are a LOT of technique. Yes you can't be weak, but you don't have to have a triple bw squat to win and at some point you may detract from your sport training because strength training requires too much time and recovery. JrMeatPlow, I was you until about 10 years ago. I could have been a hell of a lot better in football (american) and wrestling if I would have got the hell out of the weight room and worked on the sport more directly. Oh well, I enjoyed the hell out of lifting. Firas Zahabi has some great stuff on youtube. Some of his ask anything vids where he talks about his beliefs on strength and martial arts. Good stuff. I agree. Too much heavy strength training takes away from the art. I've found that in BJJ that I just need loads of gas with just enough strength. I try to never use strength, but when I do, its actually more isometric than anything else. I find I hardly ever use any explosive strength. Now judo is another story. Its being able to to totally relax and then explode in a blink of an eye. I'm not sure when all useful strength was judged by the big 3. There is an entire universe beyond them if you get hooked. It's easy to get hooked on the strength pursuit. I felt that as long as I was stronger I'd be better at the sport. It was true only until I was strong enough for my role in the sport. Marv Marinovich talked about how in NFL football there were many second stringers that we're significantly stronger than the first string. Problem was they were slow strong and lacked the explosion. If you and I are lineman and weigh the same and lets say the squat defines are ability as lineman (it doesn't but for the sake of argument here). You can squat 400. I can squat 450. The ball is snapped and in the miliseconds it takes us to meet, I can bring 350lbs of my squat and you can bring 400lbs. All else equal you are going to have more velocity and knock me back. I might after a little time absorb your rush and then overcome you, but by that time the critical moment in the play is likely past. Of course each sport and what quality of strength / explosion / technique / endurance etc is different, but no sport, save powerlifting or strongman requires the level of strength to excel in that we often think is required. You are correct in that the big 3 somehow morphed into all we needed to do for sport strength. They are good, no doubt. Looking back with what I know about biomechanics now and limb lengths, I would never bench to my chest, probably wouldn't squat often if at all and my joints and results likely would have been better. But I'm one that likes simple basic movements and thought that was always the best no matter what. It took a few decades but I'm slowly catching on  |
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Post by jrmeatplow on Apr 17, 2019 19:51:14 GMT
I agree with the squatting part. I've totally dropped it from my arsenal. My legs and knees feel so much better. I can get my legs powerful enough from hill sprints and walking lunges. That will build what I need and Trap Bar deadlifts and Farmer Walks will take care of the gaps. I think some folks are starting to see the effects of loading the squat movement way too much for way to many years. Dan John is now saying, keep the squat movement, but load the hinge. I agree with him.
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Post by chanduthemagician on Apr 18, 2019 2:33:48 GMT
Dan John is now saying, keep the squat movement, but load the hinge. I agree with him. Can you elaborate on what that means? I competed in powerlifting long before the hinge was a thing in deadlifting ( I think it was not allowed in the early 1990's). Not familiar with it related to the squat I left powerlifting for two reasons. 1. I have shitty lever lengths for bench and squat and knew that I worked as long and hard as those that were excelling, so it wasn't for lack of effort. 2. Drugs - I would not take them and knew that I would need to to be remotely competitive. I looked upon that as cheating. Still do. 2a. I knew number 1 was true, so even less incentive to take drugs |
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Post by jrmeatplow on Apr 18, 2019 9:50:32 GMT
Dan John is now saying, keep the squat movement, but load the hinge. I agree with him. Can you elaborate on what that means? I competed in powerlifting long before the hinge was a thing in deadlifting ( I think it was not allowed in the early 1990's). Not familiar with it related to the squat I left powerlifting for two reasons. 1. I have shitty lever lengths for bench and squat and knew that I worked as long and hard as those that were excelling, so it wasn't for lack of effort. 2. Drugs - I would not take them and knew that I would need to to be remotely competitive. I looked upon that as cheating. Still do. 2a. I knew number 1 was true, so even less incentive to take drugsHe is saying maintain the squatting movement, so basically maintain the mobility and flexibility to do the full squat range. Seems like I read an article somewhere that once his athletes can do a goblet squat with 100lbs there was no further benefit to loading any heavier. As for the hinge, its just the new slang for your basic swings and various deadlifts. |
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Post by chanduthemagician on Apr 18, 2019 20:25:23 GMT
Can you elaborate on what that means? I competed in powerlifting long before the hinge was a thing in deadlifting ( I think it was not allowed in the early 1990's). Not familiar with it related to the squat I left powerlifting for two reasons. 1. I have shitty lever lengths for bench and squat and knew that I worked as long and hard as those that were excelling, so it wasn't for lack of effort. 2. Drugs - I would not take them and knew that I would need to to be remotely competitive. I looked upon that as cheating. Still do. 2a. I knew number 1 was true, so even less incentive to take drugsHe is saying maintain the squatting movement, so basically maintain the mobility and flexibility to do the full squat range. Seems like I read an article somewhere that once his athletes can do a goblet squat with 100lbs there was no further benefit to loading any heavier. As for the hinge, its just the new slang for your basic swings and various deadlifts. Got it, thanks. BTW, you are a better squatter than I was. My best was only 370, but I once did 260x20 when I got hooked on the Super Squats book. Ballooned my legs up. I actually got stretch marks on the inside of the knee where the quad ties in. Crazy. I think I have the same genetics for growth in my thighs as Tom Platz. |
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