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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 7, 2019 22:47:13 GMT
Maybe bigben84 could invite his good buddy Tyler to come post on Sierra forum. It might be interesting and informative to read his rationale for the benefit of doing the pictured, deep ROM, pushup.
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Post by Mr Average on Feb 8, 2019 0:38:36 GMT
So a man of that age according to you shouldn't be capable of doing that exercise? Would you rather have a man that age be on a stability ball doing squats on top of it? That exercise has far better elements for function than say some douche trainer having someone do tricep kickbacks while standing on one leg on a bosu ball. It may look torturous to your eyes but looks can be deceiving. What if that man has abilities that he hasn't had in years? Was able to progress with intention and may even has strength he's never had before? You don't know the guy, you never met him, never looked in on his progress. All you see is "torture" and not what he got to have the ability to do. I don't know him, I don't know his story and quite frankly I find it amazing at his age he can do that. Not many can say that. I know what you are saying, I myself can only see one picture in the OP and there is nothing to indicate that the coach has told the guy to go that low in the press up. Maybe if there was more information made available to prove that is the case, then the thread would be more believable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 1:09:52 GMT
So a man of that age according to you shouldn't be capable of doing that exercise? Would you rather have a man that age be on a stability ball doing squats on top of it? That exercise has far better elements for function than say some douche trainer having someone do tricep kickbacks while standing on one leg on a bosu ball. It may look torturous to your eyes but looks can be deceiving. What if that man has abilities that he hasn't had in years? Was able to progress with intention and may even has strength he's never had before? You don't know the guy, you never met him, never looked in on his progress. All you see is "torture" and not what he got to have the ability to do. I don't know him, I don't know his story and quite frankly I find it amazing at his age he can do that. Not many can say that. I know what you are saying, I myself can only see one picture in the OP and there is nothing to indicate that the coach has told the guy to go that low in the press up. Maybe if there was more information made available to prove that is the case, then the thread would be more believable. That I'll agree with. Right now all it is, is a picture, it's not the whole story. Otherwise it's assumptions and not facts. I'm sorry I went overboard. It is what it is and it's important to have the right info, that I do believe. Getting caught up in it isn't fun and it doesn't have intellectual value.
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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 8, 2019 1:54:53 GMT
OK, i admit, I've been drinking some good wine. May I ask:
WTF are you two on about?
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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 8, 2019 1:56:20 GMT
Tell your buddy Tyler to get his ass over here and explain what we're supposed to think about that crazy pic, OK?
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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 8, 2019 3:45:16 GMT
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Post by macky on Feb 8, 2019 4:34:58 GMT
I note the push up gentleman's head is sagging down too. He's obviously straining, and has lost a decent straight position. That's going to make things worse.
I hurt my shoulder doing pushups between those little chairs a la Atlas. Going too far down under strain. Shoulder's okay now but took a while. Isometrics for me, from now on, because of the elbows too.
Re the push ups, IF I was doing them again I would use a pushup (shena) board, and employ partials as well as Zhoorkaneh-type pushups.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Feb 8, 2019 5:06:45 GMT
I have always been advised not to dip below parallel when doing pushups, and I don't. I have no shoulder problems. When I do, on occasion, dip below parallel, I can feel a pinching in my back. I suspect that's not something I should continuously be doing.
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Post by trinnity on Feb 8, 2019 7:22:16 GMT
Good advice from TR. Helps my shoulder impingment a lot. ->Shoulder impingment from too much lateral shoulder extensions. (stoped doing it a year ago)
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Post by stormshadow on Feb 8, 2019 12:11:10 GMT
I have strong shoulders. In my mid 20s and 30s I could do seated military presses with 225 and standing ones with 315. Also did behind the neck presses with bar which are supposed to be terrible for them. No problems.
Started doing the Atlas between chair pushups about ten years ago. Dull shoulder pain after about three weeks of doing them daily for 150 reps. Then was doing bench presses and felt ripping sound in shoulder. No pain or weakness but almost like scar tissue giving way. Stopped doing them and no shoulder pain since. My opinion is they are higher risk especially as you get older.
I do like the Captain K one arm shoulder press in doorway where you do go past the door frame and stretch.
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Post by stormshadow on Feb 8, 2019 12:18:38 GMT
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Post by Michael on Feb 8, 2019 12:49:03 GMT
I have strong shoulders. In my mid 20s and 30s I could do seated military presses with 225 and standing ones with 315. Also did behind the neck presses with bar which are supposed to be terrible for them. No problems. Started doing the Atlas between chair pushups about ten years ago. Dull shoulder pain after about three weeks of doing them daily for 150 reps. Then was doing bench presses and felt ripping sound in shoulder. No pain or weakness but almost like scar tissue giving way. Stopped doing them and no shoulder pain since. My opinion is they are higher risk especially as you get older. I do like the Captain K one arm shoulder press in doorway where you do go past the door frame and stretch. I do agree about that Atlas push ups. No reason to go that low on push ups. Also doing hundreds of reps everyday is nonsense. So You just do the Caption Kronos wall push up?
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Post by stormshadow on Feb 8, 2019 17:24:56 GMT
Michael I have two shoulder workouts. One at home one at gym. At home I use the Hook to do one arm presses usually with one end attached to door. Prefer that over holding the other end against my side. Then one arm KB presses or Dumbbells. Then side lateral raises with cable and sometimes weights. Then the Captain exercise
At gym barbell presses, hammer strength military presses, and two handle cable upright rows. That avoids impingement which can come from bar upright rows At least two shoulder workouts per week.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 17:28:48 GMT
Michael I have two shoulder workouts. One at home one at gym. At home I use the Hook to do one arm presses usually with one end attached to door. Prefer that over holding the other end against my side. Then one arm KB presses or Dumbbells. Then side lateral raises with cable and sometimes weights. Then the Captain exercise At gym barbell presses, hammer strength military presses, and two handle cable upright rows. That avoids impingement which can come from bar upright rows At least two shoulder workouts per week. That sounds like a great workout for you man. I'm happy your shoulders feel awesome doing those.
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