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Post by TexasRanger on Feb 7, 2019 17:55:50 GMT
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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 7, 2019 18:08:15 GMT
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Post by TexasRanger on Feb 7, 2019 18:23:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 18:25:39 GMT
So a man of that age according to you shouldn't be capable of doing that exercise? Would you rather have a man that age be on a stability ball doing squats on top of it? That exercise has far better elements for function than say some douche trainer having someone do tricep kickbacks while standing on one leg on a bosu ball.
It may look torturous to your eyes but looks can be deceiving. What if that man has abilities that he hasn't had in years? Was able to progress with intention and may even has strength he's never had before? You don't know the guy, you never met him, never looked in on his progress. All you see is "torture" and not what he got to have the ability to do. I don't know him, I don't know his story and quite frankly I find it amazing at his age he can do that. Not many can say that.
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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 7, 2019 18:32:39 GMT
"Capable" is not the same as "prudent".
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Post by TexasRanger on Feb 7, 2019 18:50:57 GMT
So a man of that age according to you shouldn't be capable of doing that exercise? Would you rather have a man that age be on a stability ball doing squats on top of it? That exercise has far better elements for function than say some douche trainer having someone do tricep kickbacks while standing on one leg on a bosu ball. It may look torturous to your eyes but looks can be deceiving. What if that man has abilities that he hasn't had in years? Was able to progress with intention and may even has strength he's never had before? You don't know the guy, you never met him, never looked in on his progress. All you see is "torture" and not what he got to have the ability to do. I don't know him, I don't know his story and quite frankly I find it amazing at his age he can do that. Not many can say that. Benny, Seriously, I would suggest you think through what you're about to post before clicking "Create Post". Did you even READ the title of the thread? "Coaching People to Wreck Their Shoulders". What about that are you not able to comprehend? 1. Is there anything...a SINGLE thing...having to with with his capabilities? Not one. 2. Is there anything about a triceps (there are three 'heads' to that muscle group, btw, hence "triceps") kickback? Not one. 3. I don't care if I know this guy but regardless, you don't get it -- or you're too busy wanting to post some response you think is relevant -- to understand what was written. Regardless, I do have a somewhat decent idea about things like Moment Arm, Range of Motion, Prime/Secondary movers, etc. (Nothing instinctual...this is objective, btw.) Either way, you need stay on topic. As we're chatting about on AMMII and have done on this board in the past as well: when the elbows go behind a point where they are close to being parallel to the upper torso, the prime mover is no longer the pectoral muscles but the much smaller muscles in the shoulders, to include the rotator cuff muscles, and they're forced into a hyper-stretched position. Since you don't understand this (based on your post), let me explain: "Not good". And when you start stretching out the shoulder capsule, other issues such as wear and tear of the soft tissue on bone occurs leading to other issues like spurs. Long before you joined, someone on here -- Stormshadow or Mr. Potatohead, perhaps? -- suggested Yoga-style push ups for this very reason: the way they're performed are safer for your shoulders and they teach you NOT -- lets emphasize this so there's no doubt... NOT -- to let your elbows drift behind the mid-plane of your torso to protect your shoulders. Also, since you've posted you're all about "instinctual" training vs. objective information, just jump on over to AMMII and join in...there's a excellent post by "Mikey" that covers the fallacies of that little gem. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 19:02:48 GMT
Whatever bro. I'm just putting in what I felt was right to say. You made your point, I made mine. I'm going to do what's right for me and you do you. I believe what I believe, there's no changing that and you can knock my friends, call them whatever you want but in the end, we're all human making our way in the world. All we have are opinions and none of us are the king of experts. He's one of my friends and I'll never stop believing in him because he believed in me and know him well enough to know that he's an amazing guy with a heart of gold and does his best to help people the best way possible. You keep knocking and I'll keep believing.
As far as my intuition is concerned. You can knock that too but I've made it this far and I'm still doing things I didn't think was capable of before and have a key sense for certain things. You don't have to believe it, your research doesn't have to believe it and nobody here has to believe but all in all its a part of who I am and I cannot be anything different.
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Post by fastfor40 on Feb 7, 2019 19:08:17 GMT
I think I've posted this tidbit before...
When the Vikings acquired Herschel Walker via "The Great Trade Robbery" or whatever it is known by, Minnesota practically wet their collective selves because they thought they had just punched their ticket to the Super Bowl.
Didn't quite work out that way.
However; the next year I went to training camp in Mankato MN and watched the practices and drills, and although Herschel was not always on the field - and one year reported late - he was the reason most people went to the practices. Between snaps and drills, he was doing pushups, and they were all the same - lowered himself to parallel or just above, and pushed up to near lockout...not much of a range of motion, and talking to MSU coaches who were at the fields every day, that's how he did all his pushups.
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Post by TexasRanger on Feb 7, 2019 19:23:30 GMT
Whatever bro. I'm just putting in what I felt was right to say. You made your point, I made mine. I'm going to do what's right for me and you do you. I believe what I believe, there's no changing that and you can knock my friends, call them whatever you want but in the end, we're all human making our way in the world. All we have are opinions and none of us are the king of experts. He's one of my friends and I'll never stop believing in him because he believed in me and know him well enough to know that he's an amazing guy with a heart of gold and does his best to help people the best way possible. You keep knocking and I'll keep believing. As far as my intuition is concerned. You can knock that too but I've made it this far and I'm still doing things I didn't think was capable of before and have a key sense for certain things. You don't have to believe it, your research doesn't have to believe it and nobody here has to believe but all in all its a part of who I am and I cannot be anything different. No Benny. If what you felt what was "right to say" is both irrelevant to what was posted and misrepresents the intent, then why post except for -- again -- trying to get some attention? And again, before you click "Create Post", think: did I knock your alleged "friend"? No. I was critical of coaching the gentleman in the picture to go that far down with the push up. Stick on what was written... And if one of your friends is teaching the guy in the picture something that could injure his shoulders and you don't like it being pointed out, well, then maybe he shouldn't be passing out bad advice. Not that difficult. Has nothing to do with whether he has a heart of gold or believes in you...if that man ends up with bone spurs in his shoulders because of bad advice, where does that leave him? There are football coaches with "a heart of gold" and have kids who trust in them leave the gridiron with knees or shoulders that are permanently wrecked, broken fingers, missing teeth. We knew one of the local high school kids who had to have a knee replacement his knee was in such bad shape after a brutal hit. But, that coach had a "heart of gold". |
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Post by TexasRanger on Feb 7, 2019 19:30:05 GMT
From AMMII:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 19:33:02 GMT
Nothing else to say. You made it a point and it's ok to stop now. And furthermore, I'm not going to join your little circle jerk group at AMM2. I'm not going to join a place that criticizes another human being for an unnecessary amount of years. Why waste my life being a part of something that has no value to me. You get off on calling someone out that has nothing to do with you, your loved ones or your career whatever that may be.
Tyler is a lot of things but he's treated me with respect, care and friendship and will always be grateful for that. He's not the perfect trainer, nobody is. Never once heard of anyone being injured from him and I've seen how he trains people.
So with that said, let's set aside my posts and move on. Life is short as it is and it's important to treasure what we have and what we're in control. Smashing down others with great prejudice is not the way to live.
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Post by TexasRanger on Feb 7, 2019 19:45:32 GMT
Nothing else to say. You made it a point and it's ok to stop now. And furthermore, I'm not going to join your little circle jerk group at AMM2. I'm not going to join a place that criticizes another human being for an unnecessary amount of years. Why waste my life being a part of something that has no value to me. You get off on calling someone out that has nothing to do with you, your loved ones or your career whatever that may be. Tyler is a lot of things but he's treated me with respect, care and friendship and will always be grateful for that. He's not the perfect trainer, nobody is. Never once heard of anyone being injured from him and I've seen how he trains people. So with that said, let's set aside my posts and move on. Life is short as it is and it's important to treasure what we have and what we're in control. Smashing down others with great prejudice is not the way to live. No Benny, you're trying to spin things away from the facts. You got on the thread, attempted to criticize the point with something irrelevant to what was posted. Then, you go into the woe is me mode, your history that you don't want to talk about -- AGAIN (eg "Tyler is a lot of things but he's treated me with respect, care and friendship") -- and now the AMM2 is the "little circle jerk group" (sounds like something the little psychic would coach someone to say off line). Regardless, its ok for all kinds of claims to be told for "for an unnecessary amount of years" and other BS per your perspective? The world's going to end...high desert bee pollen cures busted up shoulders... But, when you post there, you do get the accolades and attention so guess that is acceptable like the so-called "coach" allowing the gentleman in the picture to use bad form. |
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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 7, 2019 19:57:18 GMT
I truly wish that SOMEONE would have cared enough to smash down those wanna-be exercise gurus, BEFORE they helped to educate my early intuition with their fucked up recommendations. Might have saved me a lot of pain and injury that I now must work around for the rest of my life.
EDIT: And, BTW, I'm not mad at them. I am responsible for my own ignorance of the consequences of stupid exercise.
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Post by TexasRanger on Feb 7, 2019 20:07:00 GMT
I truly wish that SOMEONE would have cared enough to smash down those wanna-be exercise gurus, BEFORE they helped to educate my early intuition with their fucked up recommendations. Might have saved me a lot of pain and injury that I now must work around for the rest of my life. EDIT: And, BTW, I'm not mad at them. I am responsible for my own ignorance of the consequences of stupid exercise. Easy now. Easy...remember...you don't want to be "toxic". |
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Post by Hector on Feb 7, 2019 20:20:43 GMT
Mikey. go for it be toxic all you want.
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