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Post by hhenthusiast on Jan 25, 2021 23:36:38 GMT
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Post by zenqsavant on Jan 26, 2021 2:10:07 GMT
Great to see more validation of what we already know..time tested methods..I feel though the inner workings and benefits of tension excercises are much more in depth in there health,vitality and holistic than this article dives into..but good article off the merits of a predominate weight lifter..also will you be posting any more videos from Dr. Schwartz archives?
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Post by mrdave100 on Jan 26, 2021 2:50:48 GMT
About15 years ago when DVRs were the flavor of the month on JP’s forum, I remember doing them every morning for 2-3 weeks. I noticed a positive change in my muscle tone. Too bad I didn’t stick with them I could have competed in the Olympia. Just kidding, but I’m a firm believer in the effectiveness of posing/flexing/DVRs.
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Post by moxohol on Jan 26, 2021 10:56:21 GMT
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Post by Michael on Jan 26, 2021 11:51:38 GMT
About15 years ago when DVRs were the flavor of the month on JP’s forum, I remember doing them every morning for 2-3 weeks. I noticed a positive change in my muscle tone. Too bad I didn’t stick with them I could have competed in the Olympia. Just kidding, but I’m a firm believer in the effectiveness of posing/flexing/DVRs. You could have borrowed his blue speedos. That would have put You over the top. (rofl) |
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Post by Michael on Jan 26, 2021 11:54:47 GMT
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Post by brothersteve on Jan 26, 2021 16:56:30 GMT
Great article. I had read the same of Tom Platz, that 1 leg more defined than the other because it was the one his flexed most in front in his posing routine practices. I personally find daily multiple contracting as draining, maybe because I'm doing it all out. Maybe I should do like I read about Sandow doing each morning while reading his newspaper and just 'flick' flex the muscles.
Does anyone else feel like I do in that any exercise technique (weights, bands, max contraction/flexing), when taken to extreme, creates deep inroads into the central nervous system and thus leads to overtraining (especially if done consecutively) especially as we get older, hormone production is lowered (unless on TRT), and we are larger and stronger?
I remember what Darden/Jones said in a book about this, that as the subject got bigger and stronger the inroads were deeper and needed to space the workouts out farther apart.
I'm doing a mostly Bullworker program and am struggling with how much/how often. The BW feels great to use and makes me want to do more than I should. It says to use 60% of max, but that is difficult to do as I am 'programmed' to push 100%. I don't know how to feel 60%. I can see the wisdom in it after reading Muller/Hettinger, but tougher to do in practice than I thought.
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Post by Michael on Jan 26, 2021 19:27:33 GMT
Great article. I had read the same of Tom Platz, that 1 leg more defined than the other because it was the one his flexed most in front in his posing routine practices. I personally find daily multiple contracting as draining, maybe because I'm doing it all out. Maybe I should do like I read about Sandow doing each morning while reading his newspaper and just 'flick' flex the muscles. Does anyone else feel like I do in that any exercise technique (weights, bands, max contraction/flexing), when taken to extreme, creates deep inroads into the central nervous system and thus leads to overtraining (especially if done consecutively) especially as we get older, hormone production is lowered (unless on TRT), and we are larger and stronger? I remember what Darden/Jones said in a book about this, that as the subject got bigger and stronger the inroads were deeper and needed to space the workouts out farther apart. I'm doing a mostly Bullworker program and am struggling with how much/how often. The BW feels great to use and makes me want to do more than I should. It says to use 60% of max, but that is difficult to do as I am 'programmed' to push 100%. I don't know how to feel 60%. I can see the wisdom in it after reading Muller/Hettinger, but tougher to do in practice than I thought. Most definitely, anything taken to extremes is a path to failure. Everyone is different but as we get older our body needs more time to recover depending on our intensity. I have been guilty of trying to do to much or going to hard on intensity. I remember the first time I did an isometric training session with a strap. I did a full body workout with Bruce's 3 point concept. Each hold was 10 seconds and the session did not take long. It was probably around 10 minutes altogether. Man did I feel good after. After doing some things around the house I ended up sitting on the couch. Next thing I know I woke up 2 hours later. I wasn't sore but I felt like I was burnt out in one session. |
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Post by MBS on Jan 26, 2021 19:48:58 GMT
Most definitely, anything taken to extremes is a path to failure. Everyone is different but as we get older our body needs more time to recover depending on our intensity. Well said. In general , flexing can add value to any exercise approach. The mind muscle connection is real. Anything we can do to enhance it can only benefit us. And, as we all know, Gordon built his powerful V tapered back and a neck that’s a pillar of strength, simply by imagining that he was flexing his remarkable muscle mass. 😂. Ok, that’s not the same thing as actual flexing 😀 |
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Post by billfish on Jan 26, 2021 20:31:02 GMT
Most definitely, anything taken to extremes is a path to failure. Everyone is different but as we get older our body needs more time to recover depending on our intensity. Well said. In general , flexing can add value to any exercise approach. The mind muscle connection is real. Anything we can do to enhance it can only benefit us. And, as we all know, Gordon built his powerful V tapered back and a neck that’s a pillar of strength, simply by imagining that he was flexing his remarkable muscle mass. 😂. Ok, that’s not the same thing as actual flexing 😀 
But Andy built a world class body just imagining ! |
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Post by mrdave100 on Jan 26, 2021 20:31:22 GMT
About15 years ago when DVRs were the flavor of the month on JP’s forum, I remember doing them every morning for 2-3 weeks. I noticed a positive change in my muscle tone. Too bad I didn’t stick with them I could have competed in the Olympia. Just kidding, but I’m a firm believer in the effectiveness of posing/flexing/DVRs. You could have borrowed his blue speedos. That would have put You over the top.  Yeah, but I don’t have his 22” waist |
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Post by pierinifitness on Jan 26, 2021 20:37:52 GMT
I’ve said this before, doing the DVR thing is like fondling your muscles to get a muscles erection. Quit and you’ll go limp. Need loaded time under tension volume or lifting heavy stuff to get real muscle growth that lasts. Of course, you got to fuel that muscle growth with good eating.
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Post by Michael on Jan 26, 2021 22:51:17 GMT
I’ve said this before, doing the DVR thing is like fondling your muscles to get a muscles erection. Quit and you’ll go limp. Need loaded time under tension volume or lifting heavy stuff to get real muscle growth that lasts. Of course, you got to fuel that muscle growth with good eating. Wouldn't the same thing happen if You stopped lifting? I like what I do know but have done the flexing, KSHD(DVR), self-resistance, and isometrics for years. I would agree with Zenqsavant on the benefits of Flexing, and I would put KSHD with the same benefits. I found the same as Mr.Dave when doing KSHD. If I was honest, my muscles never got much bigger if at all and I did not get much stronger if at all. When doing flexing or KSHD all by themselves I lost a little bit of strength picking up external objects. But I do believe that someone that was untrained may have a different experience than myself. But honestly, how much stronger or bigger can someone get after a certain age without getting hurt? If You really think about it, a person can push all the time under tension load or lift heavy all they want but eventually You're not going to progress anymore. I'm not saying someone shouldn't try to get better at what they like but someday it's just not going to happen. There are guys that push heavy weight and whatever else but are no bigger, look no different/special, and in some cases, not much stronger. I do believe in the time under tension thing but no matter what someone does I think the intent/mind muscle connection matters more for muscle growth. If You are just pushing heavy weights and doing high volume sessions that doesn't guarantee muscle growth, maybe more strength. I never looked any different, again maybe got stronger. |
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Post by Michael on Jan 26, 2021 22:59:36 GMT
Most definitely, anything taken to extremes is a path to failure. Everyone is different but as we get older our body needs more time to recover depending on our intensity. Well said. In general , flexing can add value to any exercise approach. The mind muscle connection is real. Anything we can do to enhance it can only benefit us. And, as we all know, Gordon built his powerful V tapered back and a neck that’s a pillar of strength, simply by imagining that he was flexing his remarkable muscle mass. 😂. Ok, that’s not the same thing as actual flexing 😀 " In general, flexing can add value to any exercise approach. The mind muscle connection is real. Anything we can do to enhance it can only benefit us." Right back at You, Well said. What some people don't realize is they may flex when they stretch. Think about it, when You wake up in the morning You may flex Your whole body and it makes You feel better. I know it sounds weird. Well I see You later. I'm going to try to dream that I was flexing to see if I can one up Gordon.  |
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Post by gruntbrain on Jan 26, 2021 23:42:41 GMT
Yielding isometrics with heavy weights or resistance bands provide useful feedback to help ensure strength producing efforts . But flexing activities aren't worthless, they're just worth less .
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