John Wayne on liberals

[pierinifitness]

[mrdave100]

Nailed it! I bet that interview is over 50 years old. He could see the writing on the wall
Liberals don’t want to listen to another point of view, control the media and believe you control human behavior by more laws, you can stop selfishness and greed

[macky]

I don't pigeon-hole myself as "believing" in any particular political "bent".   The wiki on it states :

"Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support free markets, free trade, limited government, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism, democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion."

What's wrong with that ?  

[moxohol]

Nov 25, 2020 16:41:15 GMT pierinifitness said:

In this excerpt is Wayne responding to a question in a May, 1971 Playboy interview about whether Angela Davis, a counter-culture activist, communist and professor, was discriminated against by those who wanted to revoke her teaching credentials:

“With a lot of blacks, there’s quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.”
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This quote was in response to Playboy’s question of whether Wayne felt any empathy for Native American for subordinate roles in Westerns:

“I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.”
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Henry Fonda aged 37 married with 2 kids enlisted in the Navy & was commissioned later on as an officer in the pacific combat fleet. Fonda put a successful acting career on hold to serve in the US Navy.

John Wayne was 34 married with 4 kids. He declined volunteering despite Director John Ford's offer of getting him a commission (not enlistment) in his Naval Photographic Unit command. A cushy billet. Wayne pursued a successful acting career & put service in the US Navy on hold.

Frank Sinatra deserves more props than John Wayne. At least he volunteered for military service but was rejected due to a perforated eardrum & for failing a psychological evaluation which was later revealed in declassified FBI files about him.

[macky]

If as it seems the interview was about 49-50 years ago, one would have thought that attitudes among the "mainstream" white supremacists such as Wayne himself (he admits it in Mox's post) had changed a bit since those times. 

Obviously Wayne's opinions of long ago are still taken seriously in some quarters.   

[Magnus]

Nov 26, 2020 20:10:23 GMT macky said:

If as it seems the interview was about 49-50 years ago, one would have thought that attitudes among the "mainstream" white supremacists such as Wayne himself (he admits it in Mox's post) had changed a bit since those times. 

Obviously Wayne's opinions of long ago are still taken seriously in some quarters.   

My middle working class, Kennedy worshiping, staunch Democrat parents hated John Wayne and I never could quite understand why. I also never could quite understand why they considered the Kennedy family as American royalty, but times change and people change, and I'm sure if they were alive today there's no way on the planet they would support the Democrat party in it's current guise these days. As a matter of fact I'm absolutely sure of it.

[pierinifitness]

I think the Democratic Party of that era was different than the now Dumbocrats.

[macky]

Nov 27, 2020 0:02:16 GMT Magnus said:

Nov 26, 2020 20:10:23 GMT macky said:

If as it seems the interview was about 49-50 years ago, one would have thought that attitudes among the "mainstream" white supremacists such as Wayne himself (he admits it in Mox's post) had changed a bit since those times. 

Obviously Wayne's opinions of long ago are still taken seriously in some quarters.   

My middle working class, Kennedy worshiping, staunch Democrat parents hated John Wayne and I never could quite understand why. I also never could quite understand why they considered the Kennedy family as American royalty, but times change and people change, and I'm sure if they were alive today there's no way on the planet they would support the Democrat party in it's current guise these days. As a matter of fact I'm absolutely sure of it.

Well I see no room for hatred due to another's views, providing they don't cause hardship and misery, violence etc.  Everywhere has racism up to a point, and often as time has gone on, both sides have some good points to offer.  Hatred only polarizes and keeps each "side" away from getting down to a bit of table-talk and compromise.  It's too late in the world now for extreme views, one way or the other.  It's questionable whether Mankind will survive in his present form for another 100 years unless something serious is done about pollution and climate change. 

Here in NZ racism is alive and well, and always has been.  Most of it is simply ignorance on both sides, but among the working and tradespeople levels, people of all races get on pretty well.  Obviously if one of the workmates is an arsehole,  he's just an arsehole no matter what his racial background is.

Where things start getting a bit more racist is when one looks at the "upper levels", and even then, racism manifests on all sides.  Particularly I noticed thru my life that much of it comes from women who "marry up" a peg, like my mother, and when I took off with a Maori wife things got a bit sticky, and after a telephone conversation back in 1978 where she hung up on me, I never heard her voice again.  She died in 2009, one year after my Maori wife of 33 years (by then).   

Racism is among the Indians, the Arabs, Islanders and Maori, just as it is in the "White World".  We all have to get along with each other, and mostly we do, but in the upper echelons, it's where the race thing becomes more a serious matter. Princess Diana found that out fairly quickly, e.g. 

As far as John Wayne is concerned, I always liked him in the films.  "Hatari" was a great example of his acting. He had a great presence. 

I'm not sure a video interview from 50 years ago applies to today's world so much, but it seems like the Democrats of today do not hold to the above tenets I posted. 

 

[mr potatohead]

Nov 27, 2020 4:02:08 GMT macky said:

Well I see no room for hatred due to another's views, providing they don't cause hardship and misery, violence etc.  Everywhere has racism up to a point, and often as time has gone on, both sides have some good points to offer.  Hatred only polarizes and keeps each "side" away from getting down to a bit of table-talk and compromise.  It's too late in the world now for extreme views, one way or the other.  It's questionable whether Mankind will survive in his present form for another 100 years unless something serious is done about pollution and climate change. ...........

I heard someone say that love is wearing a mask. That is a polarizing statement as well as a display of ignorance concerning the cv flu and masks as PPE.
A person wearing a mask in a mostly unmasked gathering is not ridiculed, but try to attend a gathering of mostly masked people without a mask on, see what happens.
It's ok though, their fear is not the end of my freedom to exercise the knowledge I have. If they don't want to believe science, I feel sorry for them, but it's not my problem.

I'm with you up to the inclusion of climate change. It's a 30 year cycle and nothing humans can do will change that.
Note that the increase in atmospheric CO2 went from 0.02% to 0.04% during the industrial age. So, 2 x 0.0x is still 0.0x, which is still essentially nothing. Excess CO2 just makes more plant growth, which in turn, produces more photosynthesis O2. Nature always wins. Not saying that leaving a light footprint is a bad idea, but it's not something that will affect climate due to nature's compensation.

[macky]

Nov 27, 2020 5:08:42 GMT mr potatohead said:

Nov 27, 2020 4:02:08 GMT macky said:

Well I see no room for hatred due to another's views, providing they don't cause hardship and misery, violence etc.  Everywhere has racism up to a point, and often as time has gone on, both sides have some good points to offer.  Hatred only polarizes and keeps each "side" away from getting down to a bit of table-talk and compromise.  It's too late in the world now for extreme views, one way or the other.  It's questionable whether Mankind will survive in his present form for another 100 years unless something serious is done about pollution and climate change. ...........

I heard someone say that love is wearing a mask. That is a polarizing statement as well as a display of ignorance concerning the cv flu and masks as PPE.
A person wearing a mask in a mostly unmasked gathering is not ridiculed, but try to attend a gathering of mostly masked people without a mask on, see what happens.
It's ok though, their fear is not the end of my freedom to exercise the knowledge I have. If they don't want to believe science, I feel sorry for them, but it's not my problem.

I'm with you up to the inclusion of climate change. It's a 30 year cycle and nothing humans can do will change that.
Note that the increase in atmospheric CO2 went from 0.02% to 0.04% during the industrial age. So, 2 x 0.0x is still 0.0x, which is still essentially nothing. Excess CO2 just makes more plant growth, which in turn, produces more photosynthesis O2. Nature always wins. Not saying that leaving a light footprint is a bad idea, but it's not something that will affect climate due to nature's compensation.

The 30-year thing is not what NASA says, but as you've mentioned before on other matters, we'll see.  The 100 years will include rampant population growth, with urban sprawl taking up farmland. More people, less food, more pollution.  The oceans over-fished, which has been going on for at least the last 60 years.  More resources/money in the hands of a few, less for the People.   War (as usual). 

The Earth is only so big.  Something's got to give. 

[mr potatohead]

Nov 27, 2020 7:33:09 GMT macky said:

Nov 27, 2020 5:08:42 GMT mr potatohead said:

I heard someone say that love is wearing a mask. That is a polarizing statement as well as a display of ignorance concerning the cv flu and masks as PPE.
A person wearing a mask in a mostly unmasked gathering is not ridiculed, but try to attend a gathering of mostly masked people without a mask on, see what happens.
It's ok though, their fear is not the end of my freedom to exercise the knowledge I have. If they don't want to believe science, I feel sorry for them, but it's not my problem.

I'm with you up to the inclusion of climate change. It's a 30 year cycle and nothing humans can do will change that.
Note that the increase in atmospheric CO2 went from 0.02% to 0.04% during the industrial age. So, 2 x 0.0x is still 0.0x, which is still essentially nothing. Excess CO2 just makes more plant growth, which in turn, produces more photosynthesis O2. Nature always wins. Not saying that leaving a light footprint is a bad idea, but it's not something that will affect climate due to nature's compensation.

The 30-year thing is not what NASA says, ......

I know. If you review their data, it has been adjusted/skewed several times which has created a false impression of Earth's climate over time which can be understood by comparing to original collected data, as I have mentioned before re; Prof Don Easterbrook and other climate scientists who don't care/have no financial interest in data manipulation.
Easy to check this reference to understand that climate change is no problem at all according to geo-science.

As Dr Wiilie Soon says, "It is a very serious MIS-education issue".




When MSM gets through preparing a message, you can count on it being completely worthless - actually worse than that, it is a complete departure and deflecting of your attention, and discourage you from even trying to discover, anything that resembles the truth.

[moxohol]

Nov 27, 2020 7:33:09 GMT macky said:

Nov 27, 2020 5:08:42 GMT mr potatohead said:

I heard someone say that love is wearing a mask. That is a polarizing statement as well as a display of ignorance concerning the cv flu and masks as PPE.
A person wearing a mask in a mostly unmasked gathering is not ridiculed, but try to attend a gathering of mostly masked people without a mask on, see what happens.
It's ok though, their fear is not the end of my freedom to exercise the knowledge I have. If they don't want to believe science, I feel sorry for them, but it's not my problem.

I'm with you up to the inclusion of climate change. It's a 30 year cycle and nothing humans can do will change that.
Note that the increase in atmospheric CO2 went from 0.02% to 0.04% during the industrial age. So, 2 x 0.0x is still 0.0x, which is still essentially nothing. Excess CO2 just makes more plant growth, which in turn, produces more photosynthesis O2. Nature always wins. Not saying that leaving a light footprint is a bad idea, but it's not something that will affect climate due to nature's compensation.

The 30-year thing is not what NASA says, but as you've mentioned before on other matters, we'll see.  The 100 years will include rampant population growth, with urban sprawl taking up farmland. More people, less food, more pollution.  The oceans over-fished, which has been going on for at least the last 60 years.  More resources/money in the hands of a few, less for the People.   War (as usual). 

The Earth is only so big.  Something's got to give. 

We're in Solar Cycle 25. The 1st of which was documented in 1755. Right now we're experiencing the Solar Minimum. Sunspots baby! What u have going on right now is a magnetic pole shift on the cusp. The current magnetic field is weakening & wrecks havoc on weather patterns. This is well documented like US Demonrats ballot stuffing.

[moxohol]

Nov 26, 2020 6:17:50 GMT macky said:

I don't pigeon-hole myself as "believing" in any particular political "bent".   The wiki on it states :

"Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support free markets, free trade, limited government, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism, democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion."

What's wrong with that ?  

Any virtue taken to an extreme turns into a vice.

[moxohol]

Nov 27, 2020 4:02:08 GMT macky said:

Nov 27, 2020 0:02:16 GMT Magnus said:

My middle working class, Kennedy worshiping, staunch Democrat parents hated John Wayne and I never could quite understand why. I also never could quite understand why they considered the Kennedy family as American royalty, but times change and people change, and I'm sure if they were alive today there's no way on the planet they would support the Democrat party in it's current guise these days. As a matter of fact I'm absolutely sure of it.

Well I see no room for hatred due to another's views, providing they don't cause hardship and misery, violence etc.  Everywhere has racism up to a point, and often as time has gone on, both sides have some good points to offer.  Hatred only polarizes and keeps each "side" away from getting down to a bit of table-talk and compromise.  It's too late in the world now for extreme views, one way or the other.  It's questionable whether Mankind will survive in his present form for another 100 years unless something serious is done about pollution and climate change. 

Here in NZ racism is alive and well, and always has been.  Most of it is simply ignorance on both sides, but among the working and tradespeople levels, people of all races get on pretty well.  Obviously if one of the workmates is an arsehole,  he's just an arsehole no matter what his racial background is.

Where things start getting a bit more racist is when one looks at the "upper levels", and even then, racism manifests on all sides.  Particularly I noticed thru my life that much of it comes from women who "marry up" a peg, like my mother, and when I took off with a Maori wife things got a bit sticky, and after a telephone conversation back in 1978 where she hung up on me, I never heard her voice again.  She died in 2009, one year after my Maori wife of 33 years (by then).   

Racism is among the Indians, the Arabs, Islanders and Maori, just as it is in the "White World".  We all have to get along with each other, and mostly we do, but in the upper echelons, it's where the race thing becomes more a serious matter. Princess Diana found that out fairly quickly, e.g. 

As far as John Wayne is concerned, I always liked him in the films.  "Hatari" was a great example of his acting. He had a great presence. 

I'm not sure a video interview from 50 years ago applies to today's world so much, but it seems like the Democrats of today do not hold to the above tenets I posted. 

 

What the world needs now is not love sweet love but stop manufacturing babies that can't be supported on their own dime & time. Remember: 3% global water supply & 7 billion mouths to feed. A species of this reproductive rate is classified as "invasive" & risk of "habitat encroachment"

[macky]

Nov 27, 2020 12:35:09 GMT moxohol said:

Nov 27, 2020 4:02:08 GMT macky said:

What the world needs now is not love sweet love but stop manufacturing babies that can't be supported on their own dime & time. Remember: 3% global water supply & 7 billion mouths to feed. A species of this reproductive rate is classified as "invasive" & risk of "habitat encroachment"

"Any virtue taken to an extreme turns into a vice."   Never a truer word......

It time for a little encroachment on peoples' "rights".  We keep getting heart-breaking stories from UNICEF and other humanitarian agencies about children starving and the sheer scale of suffering etc, which I have a great deal of trouble saying "no" to. 

Send them contraceptives and make them take them.  They want help, then give it, but on terms that are designed to not bring more babies into a world of poverty and hunger. 

The mother of one of the Phil families I try and help announced last year she was pregnant again.  I said to her "what the fuck you getting hapu again when you got three kids already, bringing yet another into the world when you're struggling already ?"    "Oh" she sez, "it's God's love". 

I told her then she should go back to her priest and get him to ask God for money on her behalf.  She got her tubes tied when she had the baby.

I told her "thank God for that, you've come to your senses."