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Nov 3, 2020 12:10:35 GMT
Post by billfish on Nov 3, 2020 12:10:35 GMT
Btw Matey, I'm interested in something you said from a former post (below). Where did you get that from ? "I just read that NZ is creating camps for those who don't want to be vaccinated against the Chinese Virus....is that true ?" We've been told by the PM that vaccination is not going to be compulsory. Hehe, anything is possible these days. Remember there was quite a bit of "discussion" about ten years ago re detention camps dotted around the United States. These camps had apparently been photo'd. The pictures showed the top of the wire fences bent in, like for keeping people in, not out. It was alleged that over 600 of these camps were in the US. I haven't checked up on it for years, but it might be still on some sites. It was one of Brian Dunning's subjects on Skeptoid, treated as bullshit as usual, and of course the "skeptics" piled in with automated cries of "tin-foil hat" etc. I posted that instead of carrying on arguing about it, with 600+ alleged camps, take one of the maps and go for a Sunday drive and see if there's a camp where the map sez. The check it out through glasses at a discreet distance. Reports of some of the camps in the sites included that they were empty of detainees, but fully staffed with guards walking around. I saw it somewhere and it seemed a bit far out.....
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Nov 3, 2020 12:50:33 GMT
Post by mr potatohead on Nov 3, 2020 12:50:33 GMT
These people are pissing in the wind. Someone needs to tell them that. A prosecution here & there, perhaps, just might do the trick? What they're talking about is not a surprise. It's stupid and immature. This is what should have happened when Obama was elected, but conservatives, Constitutionalists and other more moderate thinkers are not such sore losers. The conservative leaning people have more self control. They realize that life doesn't always go their way. These people are just spoiled brats who, when confronted with armed forces - Sheriffs, citizen militias, State & local police, the military and other patriot groups - will scatter in terror like the cowardly cockroaches they are. They may be quite a bother to the Dem controlled hot spots, soft targets that will tolerate them, but that's about it, IMO.
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Post by moxohol on Nov 3, 2020 12:55:08 GMT
Someone needs to tell them that. A prosecution here & there, perhaps, just might do the trick? What they're talking about is not a surprise. It's stupid and immature. This is what should have happened when Obama was elected, but conservatives, Constitutionalists and other more moderate thinkers are not such sore losers. The conservative leaning people have more self control. They realize that life doesn't always go their way. These people are just spoiled brats who, when confronted with armed forces - Sheriffs, citizen militias, State & local police, the military and other patriot groups - will scatter in terror like the cowardly cockroaches they are. They may be quite a bother to the Dem controlled hot spots, soft targets that will tolerate them, but that's about it, IMO. “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
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Nov 3, 2020 13:03:12 GMT
Post by mr potatohead on Nov 3, 2020 13:03:12 GMT
Btw Matey, I'm interested in something you said from a former post (below). Where did you get that from ? "I just read that NZ is creating camps for those who don't want to be vaccinated against the Chinese Virus....is that true ?" We've been told by the PM that vaccination is not going to be compulsory. Hehe, anything is possible these days. Remember there was quite a bit of "discussion" about ten years ago re detention camps dotted around the United States. These camps had apparently been photo'd. The pictures showed the top of the wire fences bent in, like for keeping people in, not out. It was alleged that over 600 of these camps were in the US. I haven't checked up on it for years, but it might be still on some sites. It was one of Brian Dunning's subjects on Skeptoid, treated as bullshit as usual, and of course the "skeptics" piled in with automated cries of "tin-foil hat" etc. I posted that instead of carrying on arguing about it, with 600+ alleged camps, take one of the maps and go for a Sunday drive and see if there's a camp where the map sez. The check it out through glasses at a discreet distance. Reports of some of the camps in the sites included that they were empty of detainees, but fully staffed with guards walking around. I saw it somewhere and it seemed a bit far out.....:) I remember that too. I also remember mention of railroad cars being outfitted with shackles and chains to transport the many who were to be sent to the concentration camps. Not saying it can't happen, but I've seen no convincing evidence yet. When I heard about the RR cars, I reasoned it was probably false. Why would they need to be chained down? Just shut the door and lock it until they arrive. Made no sense to me.
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Nov 3, 2020 13:41:24 GMT
Post by billfish on Nov 3, 2020 13:41:24 GMT
Macky I have to respond to your claim that I have "hatred" That's not so...what I have is disgust and disappointment, especially since so many white people were attacked and killed, their businesses looted and burned etc What was the reaction from the black community in response to this....outside of a handful of black people who spoke out against it, the silence was deafening ! And the black people who did speak out were called "Uncle Toms", and cursed and insulted by other blacks In this country since 'saint george' died we have been bombarded by Black Lives Matter propaganda, TV shows, businesses, newsmedia, celebrities etc ....all shoving BLM down our throats. Everything has become dominated by black "culture"....yet these people will not make the effort to lift themselves up and live peacefully with other cultures I don't hate black people, but I have seen, heard and experienced so much wrong with them that I can't be bullshitted about them and their "culture" Theirs is a "I gotta' get over, I gotta' get mine" and fuck everyone else.....sadly that is a fact that I've witnessed many times I know that there are good people and bad people, that's why I stayed in the neighborhoods where I worked and I had a good relationship with many people there....it was truly sad to see how the criminal blacks terrorized their own people The firehouse was located in the middle of the block boarded on both sides by tenements and the kids would come to the firehouse to get air for their bicycle tires....while their lazy fathers (?) sat on the stoops of these buildings drinking and hanging out, not caring one bit about the kids....we even used to fix the kids flat tires, bring in clothing for them that our children had outgrown and gave these kids food at times So "hatred" is the wrong word.....anger, frustration and disappointment are more suitable and now it's white people who are the cause of every problem in the community and the enemy and the target of black thugs Well....I know differently and will not bow down to that bullshit which sadly many white people are swallowing I treat all people the same regardless of color etc and I expect to be treated the same way as well But I don't GIVE respect....it has to be earned and black people have not earned my respect, just my disdain Use adjectives. That's what they're there for. "LAZY SWARTHY SCHEMING SHIFTY CRIMINAL" Ur categorizing a group that doesn't apply to all & makes u appear more racist than u really are. David Duke is famous for this. The United States is supposed to be a meritocracy not an elitist oligarchy. I happen to like Thomas Sowell & have for a number of years. He's been called an "Uncle Tom" for just as long. Labeling is still wrong no matter who does it for whatever reason. Ditto on Floyd: There are way better examples to cherish & put on pedestal then he but his background doesn't rise to the level of murder. However, his actions certainly would. Once the cuffs go on u stop. End of story. If any present here have ever been locked up, I'd love to hear ur stories about telling off those slimey uppity n****rs & ur results. BTW, there's a difference between courtesy & respect. Courtesy is globally recognized & practiced towards folks u may find distasteful but done so that ppl aren't needlessly injured or killed over trivial BS. There are ppl here I like or extend courtesy to but don't respect at all. Thanks for the good advice
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Nov 3, 2020 15:14:05 GMT
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 3, 2020 19:30:46 GMT
...... They may be quite a bother to the Dem controlled hot spots, soft targets that will tolerate them, but that's about it, IMO. Quoting myself here, sorry. One other thing, you can bet the MSM is scouring the country to bring to you the absolute worst happenings, post election.
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Post by macky on Nov 3, 2020 20:46:26 GMT
...... They may be quite a bother to the Dem controlled hot spots, soft targets that will tolerate them, but that's about it, IMO. Quoting myself here, sorry. One other thing, you can bet the MSM is scouring the country to bring to you the absolute worst happenings, post election. Quite right. But I think that as long as those absolute worst happenings are actually true (no matter who is perpetrating them or what) I think the country and the world needs to know, instead of basking in the false impression that WHOEVER gets in, everything's gonna work out fine. Without being paranoid, the People have a right to know these things. The problem is longstanding in our societies. Underlying serious concerns for our future and well-being have been largely ignored by the PTB who don't give a monkey's about the plight of the People and the damage the PTB themselves are doing.
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Nov 3, 2020 23:11:54 GMT
Post by mr potatohead on Nov 3, 2020 23:11:54 GMT
Quoting myself here, sorry. One other thing, you can bet the MSM is scouring the country to bring to you the absolute worst happenings, post election. Quite right. But I think that as long as those absolute worst happenings are actually true (no matter who is perpetrating them or what) I think the country and the world needs to know, instead of basking in the false impression that WHOEVER gets in, everything's gonna work out fine. Without being paranoid, the People have a right to know these things. The problem is longstanding in our societies. Underlying serious concerns for our future and well-being have been largely ignored by the PTB who don't give a monkey's about the plight of the People and the damage the PTB themselves are doing. Do you mean like Anderson Cooper standing in a puddle, talking about severe flooding? Or the one I posted about the faked covid hospital drive up testing? Come on macky. Then there's the riots in Portland. Turns out, in a short time it was nothing more than a homeless camp, but reporting that would not have inspired a lot more violence, would it? They're going to show what fits their bias and spin it up to promote fear and woe, if it is even a factual event. Talk about false impressions. That's their business.
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Post by macky on Nov 4, 2020 3:26:36 GMT
Quite right. But I think that as long as those absolute worst happenings are actually true (no matter who is perpetrating them or what) I think the country and the world needs to know, instead of basking in the false impression that WHOEVER gets in, everything's gonna work out fine. Without being paranoid, the People have a right to know these things. The problem is longstanding in our societies. Underlying serious concerns for our future and well-being have been largely ignored by the PTB who don't give a monkey's about the plight of the People and the damage the PTB themselves are doing. Do you mean like Anderson Cooper standing in a puddle, talking about severe flooding? Or the one I posted about the faked covid hospital drive up testing? Come on macky. Then there's the riots in Portland. Turns out, in a short time it was nothing more than a homeless camp, but reporting that would not have inspired a lot more violence, would it? They're going to show what fits their bias and spin it up to promote fear and woe, if it is even a factual event. Talk about false impressions. That's their business. Yes there's a measure of truth in what you say, as always. But typhoons and other natural disasters are well-reported, especially to warn oncoming areas to get the hell out while there's time. Other disasters such as the rioting post-Floyd death (and they ARE disasters) may well have bias inserted into the narrative, but as I've said, pick the facts out of it as best you can while still trying to maintain as much impartiality as you can. i.e. There WERE bashings, vandalism, burnings of police station etc. I know what you're saying though and Goebbels said it well "Think of the Press as a great keyboard on which the government can play." I believe the above advice was well-employed during and after the 9-11 attacks which were used as excuses to change much of the world-play. The Official Stories from behind the govt were pipelined through the Press to compel The People to believe as true that the death and destruction was caused by 19 terrorists of Islamic origin, financed and recruited by Osama Bin Laden. The shock/horror of the day brought on by genuine events and the repeated OS (with videos played over and over again to cement the horrific images in the public's mind) convinced all but a few skeptical thinkers who began to more closely examine said Official Stories, and repeatedly came across serious flaws (as I did) in the widely-believed narrative. Examining Goebbel's statement, it is also made from a "govt" position which is totalitarian, not able to be voted for or against and was therefore cast in stone. In America, as in other democratic countries, the govt is really no more than a publicly-voted front for the policies and manipulations of the true Powers That Be. Certainly some members of the govt will be involved in decisions that affect the economy, and other important processes of a modern society, but those decisions will have been influenced by Those In Command of various "departments" such as the armed services, the Fed Res, corporates of important production such as arms, aircraft, medical supplies etc. Therefore it stands to reason that all this "campaigning" for electoral dominance is only a giant charade, a theatrical performance and nothing else. The divisions between the "left" and the "right" are only promoted as many different ways as "choices" which present the illusion of democracy, because through the years and decades the Dems have "come in" for a few years, then the Reps, back and forth ad nauseum further giving the illusion to the People that they are "free" and have some say in what the future "govt" will be. This scenario is in fact believed and endorsed by many in govt AND sometimes the president himself, his consultations with members of the PTB before presenting his proposals to Congress/whatever believed to be a part of the process. You bet it is. If the prez falls out of of line too far from his powerful "consultants", then he might join Kennedy in due course. It is therefore perfectly evident that although Trump (for example) may have had some influence on "govt" decisions made during his term, it's the unelected PTB behind the public scenery that wield the most power AND IS IN FACT THE MAIN REASON FOR THE COUNTRY'S SITUATION, and always have been. A prime example is the Federal Reserve board of governors. There are seven places, not all of them occupied all the time. They are appointed by the incumbent president when appropriate. When Trump and the Republicans "came into power" Trump found BOG members that would have been there most likely before the last presidents term(s) and some others that will outlast Trump's term of office even if he gets in for another term. The reason for that is because the BOG of the Fed Res are appointed in staggered terms for 14 years each, well outside of any presidential term(s) of office, could possibly span three presidents terms. As should be well-known by anyone who has taken the time to think about his salary/wages/debts/assets/savings, the lifeblood of any country is its economy, and the Fed Res makes decisions and is closely watched by other countries around the world for those said decisions. THOSE DECISIONS ARE ONLY PARTLY AUDITED BY CONGRESS in retrospect, NOT for permission to make such decisions. AND there are notable exceptions to those audits, particularly deals made with other financial groups around the world. Therefore it follows that those that have been elected during times of the great theatrical performances called American national elections, may NEVER KNOW what the Fed Res has been up to in any one year. Or at any time. THAT is the major reason for why democracy as we know it does not always have any effect whatsoever on "govt decisions" that affect The People as a whole. And it is in turn a major reason what all this "left" and "right" wing stoushing among The People is ultimately fruitless and a waste of time and effort, except for maybe some local elections where policy down-home may benefit the locals in some way. Ultimately it doesn't matter if Trump or Biden gets in. The charades will begin where normally intelligent citizens will say years down the track "Trump did a lot of good for America" or "Obama wrecked this or that...etc" when in fact all they were doing was reflecting the PTB's decisions of the day, and putting a public presidential face on "their" record. I posted on here about this sort of thing years ago, but obviously it hasn't sunk in one bit. People are still waving Trump or Biden flags around, fighting with each other and scrapping over things they believe to be the fault of "Dems" or "Reps". Meanwhile the PTB smile because they do what all power groups do to maintain control over the bulk of the People. It's an old trick....DIVIDE AND RULE. Then they present situations that they know will keep the People occupied (sometimes rightly on their own level) under the illusion of democracy which in turn gives the average Joe and Jill the firm belief that they are "free" and have an intelligent part to play in the overall evolution of "their" country. As Goebbels also said so well "Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident that they are acting on their own free will." Under Operation Paperclip, some 1600-1800 Nazi war criminals, scientists, rocket engineers were virtually whisked away from possible execution re the Nuremberg Trials and brought to America because of their expertise in rocket technology and space medicine, necessary because of the emerging threat/competition with the USSR. Not all were the above. The rest ? The CIA learned much from the Nazis. And a few years later they had no qualms about using innocent and unwitting victims in their campaign to establish processes where someone could be "programmed" to be a "Manchurian Candidate", someone who would respond on a cue of some sort. Read the Wiki on MKUtra. If anybody believes that their vote had anything to do with that section of the PTB, then they are sadly in error. They will however now be informed of part of the REAL story of America.
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Nov 4, 2020 7:37:46 GMT
Post by macky on Nov 4, 2020 7:37:46 GMT
I don't agree with the death penalty, not because I think it's inappropriate (I would have gladly seen off the Christchurch terrorist who murdered 51 innocent persons, including a three-year old he deliberately shot in the head, in fact I would volunteer to flick the switch myself) but because the Police have been known to have concocted evidence to secure a conviction (Arthur Allan Thomas case) which appeals failed until new science was used to deduce that a shell-case "found" in the garden outside the victim's house, which was a crucial part of Police "evidence" could not have come from Thomas' gun. This was years later and Thomas was pardoned. That's why I object to capital punishment. But a NZer was caned I think in Malaysia for drugs (lucky they didn't hang him) and I think that should apply to all drug runners who themselves are not addicts, six of the best, and one or two strokes for addicts if they have been caught supplying. And drunken driving causing injury etc. Assault and battery. Slander. And Tossers.
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Nov 4, 2020 11:32:28 GMT
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Post by moxohol on Nov 4, 2020 11:32:28 GMT
Bring back corporal punishment. If u ever assault a senior or handicapped person then a good caning gets their attention. I guarantee if u whip my ass with a rattan cane, I won't likely forget it................And drunken driving causing injury etc. Assault and battery. Slander. And Tossers. ============================== SLANDER? TOSSERS? Those two are nebulous & open to interpretation. Ur a musician too which surprises me even more. I'm sure a few on here believe I'm a tosser. So, I'm deserving of corporal punishment too? Pick any pet peeve u like & then I knock it. What happened to ur grasp of DISSENT which is the hallmark of free & open society. If my speech is hateful, ignorant, stupid or inflammatory do u censor it outright or do u rebutt it with more free speech telling the public WHY it's worthy of rebuke. If someone calls u out on ur premise then I want to decide for myself why ur premise is full of wholes or outright stupid. A ban would do nothing to educate me but shut out unpopular speech that may be proven right later on or become popular tomorrow. Most intelligent ppl read the opposition to keep informed of what they are yakking about. I know I do if my writing is any indication (or maybe I'm just fucked up drugs?).
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Nov 4, 2020 12:38:41 GMT
Post by mr potatohead on Nov 4, 2020 12:38:41 GMT
Do you mean like Anderson Cooper standing in a puddle, talking about severe flooding? Or the one I posted about the faked covid hospital drive up testing? Come on macky. Then there's the riots in Portland. Turns out, in a short time it was nothing more than a homeless camp, but reporting that would not have inspired a lot more violence, would it? They're going to show what fits their bias and spin it up to promote fear and woe, if it is even a factual event. Talk about false impressions. That's their business. Yes there's a measure of truth in what you say, as always. But typhoons and other natural disasters are well-reported( 1), especially to warn oncoming areas to get the hell out while there's time. Other disasters such as the rioting post-Floyd death (and they ARE disasters) may well have bias inserted into the narrative, but as I've said, pick the facts out of it as best you can while still trying to maintain as much impartiality as you can. i.e. There WERE bashings, vandalism, burnings of police station etc. ( 2) I know what you're saying though and Goebbels said it well "Think of the Press as a great keyboard on which the government can play." ( 3)........ It is therefore perfectly evident that although Trump (for example) may have had some influence on "govt" decisions made during his term, it's the unelected PTB behind the public scenery that wield the most power AND IS IN FACT THE MAIN REASON FOR THE COUNTRY'S SITUATION, and always have been. 1. See what I posted about Anderson Cooper. No, there is no evidence that they are well reported. I'm saying that some events they choose to report are real, but the MSM are masters of turning an ant hill into Mt Everest, ignoring much more important, illuminating and relevant happenings (e.g. David Dorn) plus the added complication of reporting assumptions based on first glance or based on no evidence at all (lies) that fit their chosen narrative. They rush to create the first impression and when it is later discovered that the truth does not resemble their original assessment of the situation, their first report has already taken root in people's minds due to constant repetition of their insidious, invasive, subliminally inescapable, brainwashing lies. 2. No thanks. People who try will end up in complete dispair and confusion. Sorting out their unpredictably haphazard mix of BS would be a full time job and I have other things I enjoy doing. I'm also not willing to give any of my attention to a proven double talking lier. ...... " "Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident that they are acting on their own free will." I would not spend time with any acquaintance who was intentionally, constantly, relentlessly twisting up the truth to serve themselves or their master. 3. Trump is neither Rep or Dem. Both Reps and Dems have been upset with things he's done, but he acts to benefit citizens anyway in spite of them all. No, it is not perfectly evident at all. OTOH, I understand the second part of that sentence and it appears to be the stuff that Trump is fighting against in whatever legal means he has available, and since he is independent, not obligated to a party, he can. See #3 above. It does matter and the difference is huge. "People are still waving Trump or Biden flags around, ........ the fault of "Dems" or "Reps"." Trump is neither Rep or Dem, as I've mentioned. He's not obligated to do anything that any party wants and he's not only not drawing his presidential pay, he's donating whatever he makes during his terms to charity - at least, that's the report I've heard from multiple sources. Indeed, and you can file this under "Revealing The Fake Chinese Virus Pandemic Media & Medical Fraud".
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Nov 4, 2020 15:41:33 GMT
Post by brothersteve on Nov 4, 2020 15:41:33 GMT
I love a lively debate with a lot of great points on both sides and this board doesn't fail to present such. The only reason I would like to go back to corporal punishment is because the perpetrators will take the nice 'cushy' prisons we have now-a-days and get out and do the same or worse. They have no respect for authority (I remember the days when the cops put FEAR in people) also teach the next generations to hate and do worse, which is a big reason we are where we are today with the taking away of guns, getting rid of religion, and beatdowns of the elderly (and younger). Macky, you're right on point to me with most of what he states about Goebbels. Not just 9-11, but also the school shootings like Sandy Hook to take weapons away from Americans. How about finding folks molested by religious leaders? I'm NOT saying molestation did not occur or that there should be no punishment, but am saying I was a cub scout, involved in going to church and being an alter boy my whole life and never saw or heard these things. Didn't mean it didn't happen to some. Molestation also happens in families and at work and other organizations, but THEY are still allowed to exist (yeah, I know the decimation of the 'family' unit is on governments agenda). To me, if any of these groups were punished severely then there would be less of it AND the perpetrators would be gone. Lack of teeth in the law creates a criminal complacency in my mind. In my town last week, a 44 year old former military man committed his 4th rape of a girl under 14 and they let his out - no bail - the same day. He NEVER served any time. I say, he should have been in prison for 10 years for the first time and eliminated after the second time. Keep him out of jail and let him live - for what? AND, here's the kicker, he lives in an apartment overlooking a middle school where the ages are - you guessed it - 11 to 13 like the ages of his victims. He has a nice window view of that school only separated by the playing fields - NICE huh? BTW, I'm in upstate NY, Cuomo's democracy which passed the law to let thugs like this out rather than jail and bail. Mr Potatohead, I agree with media spin and the massive amount of B.S. thrown at citizens who are just looking for factual news without 'spin'. I haven't heard 'good news since the mid-80's. Problem is it will never happen. Trump was picked to represent the GOP in 2016 and push THEIR agenda, but he decided to push HIS as well for financial gain - what else would a billionaire do? Talks behind closed doors are STILL going on as to how he should 'behave' which is why his future as POTUS still hangs in the balance while the votes are allegedly/supposedly being counted. If he decides NOT to 'kiss the ring' Biden will get in. I only observe what's being said in the media and don't take any of it to heart. Just my take on the corrupt system. I'll bet the Chinese will miraculously find a cure for COVID AFTER the inauguration and it will be little more than a 'secret' herb blend, . Where do we go from here? Not sure except that wherever it is we are in for a bumpy ride down a slippery slope. Stay tuned and Enjoy! The ride has yet to begin.
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