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Post by molison05 on Nov 9, 2017 21:07:12 GMT
Same problem and same solution. I'm about 18" - 19" off the floor and about 20" hands width. Doing them off an old trunk I found in the basement so I've got to go with the equipment I have. Maybe some day off the floor, but right now that's not possible without real discomfort, the worst of which id that if I try just pushing through it I'll maybe (most likely) have the problem a looooong time before/if ever it heals. Bis tris and pecs - no problem. It is what it is.
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Post by TexasRanger on Nov 9, 2017 22:03:16 GMT
I can't do the high volume pushups any more for the same reason...so I'm doing them a way where my shoulders are tucked down and back w/ elbows against my sides...much like a yoga pushup, but, you push forward on your toes. That seems to help.
But, Dr. Raymond Wu -- who wrote One Minute Workout -- that pushups for many people are irritants and recommends isometric planks and dips over pushups.
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Post by hagerwf on Nov 9, 2017 22:34:00 GMT
Best advice is not to push through, its just not worth it. But you already know that... I've had three rotator cuff surgeries, which I can attribute to "pushing through". The good news is that my last surgery was in 2010 and they feel as good as new at this point. My elbows are another story. The isometric plank idea also has worked very well for me, static pushup holds at different levels. Or try doing a few absolutely perfect, super slow repetitions. I did a pushup workout for a while where I tried to do 10 perfect reps as slowly as possibule. Absolute torture, but in a good way. Another low-rep pushup workout that I really like is this one from Mark Lauren he calls "The Roof is on Fire". fitnesstreats.tumblr.com/post/18565393040/the-roof-is-on-fire-shoulder-challenge-from"Do a single, perfect push-up. Get on your knees. Push your hands straight up into the air 4 times, as though you’re raising an invisible weight from your shoulders. Do 2 push-ups. Push your hands up into the air 8 times. Continue adding one push-up at a time, and multiplying the amount of push-ups by 4 for the amount of hand raises you do in the air after each set. So: - 3 push-ups, 12 hand raises - 4 push-ups, 16 hand raises - 5 push-ups, 20 hand raises - 6 push-ups, 24 hand raises - 7 push-ups, 28 hand raises - 8 push-ups, 32 hand raises etc. When you can no longer do another push-up (and your deltoids are burning like hell), pyramid back down to one, again doing 4 times the amount of hand raises as push-ups. So if you were able to get up to 6 push-ups but then barely failed on your seventh, follow that with 28 hand raises, then go back down to 6 push-ups, followed by 24 hand raises, 5 push-ups, 20 hand raises and so on until you get down to a single push-up and 4 hand raises and you’re done! If you can get up to 10 push-ups this challenge will take about 12 minutes total. The stronger you get, the longer it’ll take."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 22:52:25 GMT
Same problem and same solution. I'm about 18" - 19" off the floor and about 20" hands width. Doing them off an old trunk I found in the basement so I've got to go with the equipment I have. Maybe some day off the floor, but right now that's not possible without real discomfort, the worst of which id that if I try just pushing through it I'll maybe (most likely) have the problem a looooong time before/if ever it heals. Bis tris and pecs - no problem. It is what it is. Molison50, just remember there is always other exercises. If something is causing pain, discomfort or is drudgery You're beating a dead horse. Pushups just like bench presses if used to extremes is eventually going to cause a problem. Some people can take more than others. I would say extremes with push ups would be high reps, high volume, doing them without intent, and bad form. I always find a way to make them harder and never do more than 20 reps( hardley ever do 20 reps). From Your post it sounds like Your doing ok with the pushups You're doing. If I was You I would do strict form, use tension and/or slow them down. Also a couple of other options that could help come from Convict Conditioning. You can do them on a wall or off Your knees. I used the wall ones when I had some elbow problems in the past, they work pretty good for rehab. Remember everything can be made easier to fit Your needs. Another idea I think is a good one that was written by Hagerwf on the Static Push up Holds thread. You can lower the amount of time for the holds if need be. Here's what he wrote: " A couple months back I posted a thread on AMM talking about static pushup holds. A couple of times per week I do the following: Pushup Hold in Full position 3x1-minute, Pushup hold in 1/2 position 3x30-45 second, pushup hold in low position (3x20-30 seconds). I take a 1 minute break between each set. I made this a little more difficult yesterday by trying the low position holds with my feet on the first step of a staircase. managed to do 3x30 seconds but was really a killer. I had preceded this with 3x1-minute standard planks. To add a dynamic (there's that word again) aspect to this workout, try to squeeze out a slow pushup or two at the end of each set."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 22:55:05 GMT
Did see Your post Hagerwf before I posted. I also like that one from Mark Lauren.
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Post by hagerwf on Nov 10, 2017 0:33:23 GMT
Did see Your post Hagerwf before I posted. I also like that one from Mark Lauren. jackrow, Mark Lauren is my favorite fitness author, "You Are Your Own Gym" was the first BWE book I read.
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Post by TexasRanger on Nov 10, 2017 2:21:10 GMT
Did see Your post Hagerwf before I posted. I also like that one from Mark Lauren. jackrow, Mark Lauren is my favorite fitness author, "You Are Your Own Gym" was the first BWE book I read. Mark's also got some gerat free videos throughout the web on mobility training. And if you're into fitness and military-style training, Mark's stuff is far more "doable" than his peers like Stew Smith...feel like his books took you from zero to sixty in the first workout. For more strength-style bodyweight training, Convict Conditioning or Anthony Arvanitakis' Homemade Muscle are excellent choices (IMHO). If you don't know Mark's role in the USAF as a PJ:
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Post by DDH on Nov 10, 2017 3:52:20 GMT
Molson 05,I for yrs have had front delta discomfort with my front delta doing push ups,since I have had back to back major shoulder surgeries,I now spend 15 minutes warming up my shoulders before I workout,small and large arm circles,band pull aparts,band,a couple of warm up sets of push ups from my knees,I also rub on my shoulders J.R.Watkins Deep Muscle warming balm on my shoulders,you can get it at Whole Foods,I don't lock out or go all the way down when I do my push ups,3sets ,3 times a week,Steve Maxwell has a YouTube video on the perfect push up ,which I do and it doesn't give me any discomfort with my shoulders,check it out, it might be able to help you,I also do a lot of stretching also for my shoulder which helps, hope this is helpful for you.
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Post by DDH on Nov 10, 2017 3:53:57 GMT
I meant delts not delta.
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Post by DDH on Nov 10, 2017 4:08:05 GMT
Maxwell also has a YouTube video on pain free push ups.
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Post by TexasRanger on Nov 10, 2017 4:16:11 GMT
Molson 05,I for yrs have had front delta discomfort with my front delta doing push ups,since I have had back to back major shoulder surgeries,I now spend 15 minutes warming up my shoulders before I workout,small and large arm circles,band pull aparts,band,a couple of warm up sets of push ups from my knees,I also rub on my shoulders J.R.Watkins Deep Muscle warming balm on my shoulders,you can get it at Whole Foods,I don't lock out or go all the way down when I do my push ups,3sets ,3 times a week,Steve Maxwell has a YouTube video on the perfect push up ,which I do and it doesn't give me any discomfort with my shoulders,check it out, it might be able to help you,I also do a lot of stretching also for my shoulder which helps, hope this is helpful for you. DDH - Do you have the link for Steve's video?
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Nov 10, 2017 10:16:08 GMT
I believe DDH is referring to this:
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Post by DDH on Nov 10, 2017 15:09:22 GMT
That's the video.
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Post by Mr Average on Nov 10, 2017 19:12:52 GMT
Same problem and same solution. I'm about 18" - 19" off the floor and about 20" hands width. Doing them off an old trunk I found in the basement so I've got to go with the equipment I have. Maybe some day off the floor, but right now that's not possible without real discomfort, the worst of which id that if I try just pushing through it I'll maybe (most likely) have the problem a looooong time before/if ever it heals. Bis tris and pecs - no problem. It is what it is. Molison50, just remember there is always other exercises. If something is causing pain, discomfort or is drudgery You're beating a dead horse. Pushups just like bench presses if used to extremes is eventually going to cause a problem. Some people can take more than others. I would say extremes with push ups would be high reps, high volume, doing them without intent, and bad form. I always find a way to make them harder and never do more than 20 reps( hardley ever do 20 reps). From Your post it sounds like Your doing ok with the pushups You're doing. If I was You I would do strict form, use tension and/or slow them down. Also a couple of other options that could help come from Convict Conditioning. You can do them on a wall or off Your knees. I used the wall ones when I had some elbow problems in the past, they work pretty good for rehab. Remember everything can be made easier to fit Your needs. Another idea I think is a good one that was written by Hagerwf on the Static Push up Holds thread. You can lower the amount of time for the holds if need be. Here's what he wrote: " A couple months back I posted a thread on AMM talking about static pushup holds. A couple of times per week I do the following: Pushup Hold in Full position 3x1-minute, Pushup hold in 1/2 position 3x30-45 second, pushup hold in low position (3x20-30 seconds). I take a 1 minute break between each set. I made this a little more difficult yesterday by trying the low position holds with my feet on the first step of a staircase. managed to do 3x30 seconds but was really a killer. I had preceded this with 3x1-minute standard planks. To add a dynamic (there's that word again) aspect to this workout, try to squeeze out a slow pushup or two at the end of each set." You can also do them on kitchen worktop for example.
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Post by molison05 on Nov 11, 2017 0:30:13 GMT
Gentlemen, thank you all. Good ideas there - right now I'm using the superslow timed down and up with Steve M's hand spacing and elbow rotation.
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