Mr Average
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Post by Mr Average on Oct 29, 2017 20:29:01 GMT
You will laugh when I say. He knew a lot about weights but did not talk much about them. He adopted Brooks Kubik Dinosaur training and that is what ultimately busted him up. He talked about articles in early Muscle Mag which I was aware of and also the writings of the Whammers best friend (joking) Bradley Steiner. I have the calisthenics article written by Steiner that he referred to. I also liked his interpretations of the almost impossible to understand Frank R Young of Yogametrics. The rehash of JP stuff not too interesting to me. Stuff like that. I think he ran a gym for several years when he was police officer too Storm - Greg made a lot of claims to include weights didn't work for him. What Greg never admitted to was his average (at best) genetics. If you saw the "gym picture" he posted, it was pretty obvious it was not the weights. Based on the things he wrote about several methods I was intimately familiar with, having personally met the trainers and paid for workouts/sessions**, it was pretty clear he was making things up. When I pointed out specifics, he would either make a remark where it was obvious he was irritated that I dare question him or killed the post. I used to buy Bob Kennedy's magazines, had several of their courses (their strand pulling course was my favorite) to include Steiner's. When he commented on Kennedy's magazine having steroid-free training in the many of the articles in the early days? No -- perhaps that is what he wanted to believe. But I contacted a friend to confirm I wasn't missing something who knew Kennedy, Gironda, etc., and he said (and I paraphrase) they were all on drugs in Kennedy's magazines just like Weider and even the Rader magazines. **And not that being trained or doing consults with these people made too much difference in case -- saw my lifts go up, lost some bodyfat. My genetics? Pretty average as well. I did ok with a couple of lifts where I've got some good leverage, but, that was about it. I've shared in the past was told several times that I just don't have the genetics...I don't have the long/full muscle bellies successful bodybuilders possess. I do not think it is anything to do with genetics, more about carrying to much fat on his body. I do not have good genetics, I am carrying 19% body fat, but I do not make false claims like Greg. I saw were he said he is 5'10" the same height as me, he weighed 180 lbs, 16 lbs less than me so his body fat percentage should have been lower, but he looked fatter to me than I am. I think he should have look more ripped, at least with a bit of definition.
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Post by stormshadow on Oct 29, 2017 20:29:24 GMT
Yes I thought the exact same thing you did. How do you know so much about a training modality and not practice it.
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Mr Average
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Post by Mr Average on Oct 29, 2017 20:31:42 GMT
I don't get why Greg hates debate. It's unpleasant. Can't have unpleasantness on a forum. I'm a firm believer in freedom of speech. This is what makes this what the name implies - a forum - a place to freely voice your opinion and share and debate ideas. As such, I've been called out. I've been questioned and contradicted. I've been embarrassed. It keeps me honest. I'd rather have an absolute mad house where everyone knows their posts won't be deleted or censored rather than a pleasant forum where everyone minds their p's and q's and apologizes profusely whenever an admin sees fit to censor their posts. I love you too but I can be your bit on the side!
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TexasRanger
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 29, 2017 20:38:35 GMT
When Greg posted pictures of his upper arms, flexed, you could see the gap between the elbow and the biceps...same with the triceps.
He was carrying extra bodyfat, yes, but, he his genetics are average as well. Arthur Jones would post comparisons and numbers he and a couple of his Nautilus guys would run regarding the "gaps" referenced above and the bigger the gap, you're just not going to build much in the way of an upper arm whether you're natural or on the juice. There's a picture in one of Darden's book from Arthur Jones that is also on the web somewhere showing the upper arm of Mike Mentzer vs. Richard Baldiwn along with their calves. Mentzer clearly had bigger, fuller muscles despite both bb'ers being of the same height and on steroids.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 29, 2017 20:47:07 GMT
How in the world would he have known about the female bb'ing porn mags, for example? What?! What?! Where?! Where?!!
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 29, 2017 20:48:19 GMT
I don't remember now where I heard it - podcast somewhere - that there is a scale of genetic potential to build a natural physique. Top is 25. Beyond that, it's 'enhanced', not possible to attain w/o gear.
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 29, 2017 20:48:50 GMT
How in the world would he have known about the female bb'ing porn mags, for example? What?! What?! Where?! Where?!! Check your PM, my friend. We have a lot to talk about.
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 29, 2017 20:50:29 GMT
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Mr Average
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Post by Mr Average on Oct 29, 2017 20:59:19 GMT
How in the world would he have known about the female bb'ing porn mags, for example? What?! What?! Where?! Where?!! It is just like looking at a guy with some of them!
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Post by Whiffet on Oct 29, 2017 21:18:43 GMT
It seems a lot of us who get into weights have terrible genetics. I think I do. My frame is small -- my wrists are just over 6.5 inches at at eight of 5'10".
In clothes no one would even know I worked out -- I just look like a lean guy.
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Post by Whiffet on Oct 29, 2017 21:20:27 GMT
It seems a lot of us who get into weights have terrible genetics. I think I do. My frame is small -- my wrists are just over 6.5 inches at at eight of 5'10".
In clothes no one would even know I worked out -- I just look like a lean guy.
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Post by Mr Average on Oct 29, 2017 21:24:33 GMT
It seems a lot of us who get into weights have terrible genetics. I think I do. My frame is small -- my wrists are just over 6.5 inches at at eight of 5'10". In clothes no one would even know I worked out -- I just look like a lean guy. Your not the only one, my frame size is not much bigger than yours and my wrist is 7 inches. I do not look like anything with clothes on, that is why I always walk around naked.
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Post by Mr Average on Oct 29, 2017 21:53:05 GMT
When Greg posted pictures of his upper arms, flexed, you could see the gap between the elbow and the biceps...same with the triceps. He was carrying extra bodyfat, yes, but, he his genetics are average as well. Arthur Jones would post comparisons and numbers he and a couple of his Nautilus guys would run regarding the "gaps" referenced above and the bigger the gap, you're just not going to build much in the way of an upper arm whether you're natural or on the juice. There's a picture in one of Darden's book from Arthur Jones that is also on the web somewhere showing the upper arm of Mike Mentzer vs. Richard Baldiwn along with their calves. Mentzer clearly had bigger, fuller muscles despite both bb'ers being of the same height and on steroids. In the words of Greg I quit lifting weights in 2004. At the time I weighed in the range of 210-217. Currently at 5-10, I weight 188. I started the methods I use now in 2006. Surprisingly to most, despite being almost being 30 pounds lighter, I am bigger in the chest, wider in the shoulders (from a 46 to a 50 coat size), bigger in the arms, and much smaller in the waist. I wear size 32 pants now compared to the size 38's I was having to wear. I also allowed my legs to slim down because I much prefer being able to run and do martial arts kicking rather than to just have big legs. My mistake it was 188 lbs not 180 lbs.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 29, 2017 21:54:40 GMT
It seems a lot of us who get into weights have terrible genetics. I think I do. My frame is small -- my wrists are just over 6.5 inches at at eight of 5'10". In clothes no one would even know I worked out -- I just look like a lean guy. What?! Are you kidding me?! The resident brick shit house?! The face of THE HOOK?!!
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Post by Alan OldStudent on Oct 30, 2017 6:21:45 GMT
When Greg posted pictures of his upper arms, flexed, you could see the gap between the elbow and the biceps...same with the triceps. He was carrying extra bodyfat, yes, but, he his genetics are average as well. Arthur Jones would post comparisons and numbers he and a couple of his Nautilus guys would run regarding the "gaps" referenced above and the bigger the gap, you're just not going to build much in the way of an upper arm whether you're natural or on the juice. There's a picture in one of Darden's book from Arthur Jones that is also on the web somewhere showing the upper arm of Mike Mentzer vs. Richard Baldiwn along with their calves. Mentzer clearly had bigger, fuller muscles despite both bb'ers being of the same height and on steroids. In the words of Greg I quit lifting weights in 2004. At the time I weighed in the range of 210-217. Currently at 5-10, I weight 188. I started the methods I use now in 2006. Surprisingly to most, despite being almost being 30 pounds lighter, I am bigger in the chest, wider in the shoulders (from a 46 to a 50 coat size), bigger in the arms, and much smaller in the waist. I wear size 32 pants now compared to the size 38's I was having to wear. I also allowed my legs to slim down because I much prefer being able to run and do martial arts kicking rather than to just have big legs. My mistake it was 188 lbs not 180 lbs. That sounds pretty interesting, Blag. What do you attribute that to, and what kind of workout do you do now?
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