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Post by gruntbrain on Oct 22, 2017 19:14:39 GMT
Brief isometrics (eg 10 seconds) are ideally painful which indicates at least non delusional intensity; ie pain can crudely measure intensity
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 19:28:43 GMT
I don't get the relaxing in between sets, either. I have no idea what great advantage this poses. I'd be willing to bet that if Person A did the 5-6-7 protocol and Person B simply held the iso for 18 seconds, the results would be the same. As far as percentage of exertion is concerned, I don't know how you'd gauge 50% or 70% or whatever. However, doing the 45 second continuous holds that I'm now up to, it would be impossible to hold that at 100%, So, I just do it by feel, holding the iso with an amount of exertion that I can sustain until I hit 35 seconds and then go all out 100% for the last ten seconds. Bruce the relaxing is only suppose to be a quick breath or a second or two. The idea behind it, from my understanding, is amping up to do more tension. I guess it's sort of like a rest pause set. Your probably right about the results being the same. I sure someone here probably mention this book before but there's a whole chapter on isometrics. So many differant ways to do them, why limit Yourself. www.amazon.com/Rock-Iron-Steel-Book-Strength/dp/0926888072/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1508699420&sr=8-1&keywords=rock+iron+steel I remember You saying something on the same line in the past about differant types of training.
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 23, 2017 4:30:36 GMT
WTF is "a constant isometric level of muscle tension"? Is this more of your gobbledygook, m8? Try this and you will understand. Sorry, but if someone wants to look stupid more than he really is, any explanations are useless.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Oct 23, 2017 6:10:38 GMT
WTF is "a constant isometric level of muscle tension"? Is this more of your gobbledygook, m8? Try this and you will understand. Sorry, but if someone wants to look stupid more than he really is, any explanations are useless. Come on! I want to know how we " move our limbs or body inside the full ROM while we keep a constant isometric level of muscle tension," m8? The muscles can't be moving and doing isometrics at the same time.
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Post by Bob50 on Oct 23, 2017 9:01:15 GMT
Come on, Bruv! Turn your brain on!
1. Start with short ISO ~70-90% 2. Feel and remember this level of muscle tension 3. Keeping this feeling in the muscles start slow moving inside the full ROM
In this case, you do not need three ISO positions.
Mikey,
This is a good trick for SR exercises with a stick and co-contraction exercises.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Oct 23, 2017 9:24:11 GMT
If you would just speak in plain English instead of in Lionqueer or Twatformetrics language then it would be a little easier to understand what you are talking about. Isometrics and self resistance exercise are actually very simple but for some reason they seem to attract a lot of people that want to make it sound very complicated. If only you guys realised how ridiculous you make it seem.
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Post by Bob50 on Oct 23, 2017 9:30:28 GMT
Bruv, I think you feel that English is not my native language. Sometimes, I have problems with PLAIN ENGLISH.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 23, 2017 11:16:52 GMT
1. Start with short ISO ~70-90% 2. Feel and remember this level of muscle tension 3. Keeping this feeling in the muscles start slow moving inside the full ROM In this case, you do not need three ISO positions. Sounds like an effective thing to do, but it's not isometrics. Isometrics means pitting your muscles against an immovable object. As soon as you "start slow moving" it is not isometrics. The closest I've come to a "moving isometric" was when I set my Exergenie to a resistance that I could barely budge, and then did one slow (out of necessity) rep. But it wasn't really an isometric because the object moved. It was one very difficult isokinetic rep.
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 23, 2017 13:03:20 GMT
I think 5' 6" is likely way too high.
7" sounds about right to me.
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 23, 2017 13:17:59 GMT
What were you repeating?
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 23, 2017 13:21:29 GMT
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 23, 2017 13:52:48 GMT
Words chosen, and their meanings, are important. It is the basic form of communication on a forum.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 23, 2017 15:40:28 GMT
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Post by Mr Average on Oct 23, 2017 15:46:51 GMT
This is my take on isometrics, there is no magical number in respect to timimng or anything. I look at it like this the longer you do something for or the heavier it is the more strain you put on the muscle full stop. As for virtual stuff you can only guess that you are putting x amount of percentage into the exercise because you have nothing to gauge it by.
Isometrics can be use all day long every day, the same as reps extra, I have never believed in the you need x amount of days rest because you will get weaker or overtrained etc... If that was true I would be a physical wreck, but instead I keep getting stronger and more used to the work I do.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Oct 23, 2017 19:07:37 GMT
I would love to hear more about timiming.
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