What Exactly is the 5-6-7 Protocol?

[Bruce Tackett]

I should be on top of this, but I'm not. Is this holding an isometric for 5 seconds, and then for 6 seconds, and then 7?

If so, does it make any sense? I've read that holding an iso once recruits all of your muscle fibers, and repeating the same iso has no further effect. I know that Alexander Zass did sets of the same iso, but they probably didn't know about fiber recruitment back then.

On the other hand, Mueller's frog developed strength in his leg by attempting to free himself from being held fast. I gotta assume that this was a continuous effort and that he didn't make one 7 second attempt and then try again after 48 hours.

I'm curious about this 5-6-7 protocol because elsewhere in the world it is being touted as the greatest contribution to physical culture since Milo first lifted a calf to his shoulders, and the guy who "invented" it (and if you say he didn't, then you're a lying bastard) is being compared to Einstein.

Further, a certain world renown strength and health coach and ordained minister of the Gospel in our Lord Jesus Christ, Amen, has taken this protocol to new and unexplored heights by increasing it to.............................drumroll..................................6-7-8!

[Bruce Tackett]

Further, I have learned that the sums of the numbers have mystical meaning; 5 + 6 + 7 = 18, and 6 + 7 + 8 = 21.

!!!!

I'm thinking of coming up with my own protocol: 6-6-6.

And check this out!

5 + 6 + 7 = 18

6 + 6 + 6 = 18

COINCIDENCE?!!

YOU DECIDE!!!

[BigBruvOfEnglandUK]

6, 6, 6 is obiously the correct method. The number 6 was an important number to the Sumerians who inhabited what is now southern Irag over 6000 years ago (Probably learned from the Anunnaki of course) and it is still important today.
6 x 2 = dozen.
We use half dozen (6) and dozen (2 x 6) to buy our eggs and many other things.
The brick tongs we use at work carry 6 bricks each. The bricks are usually packed in rows of 12 (2 x 6).
6 x 10 = 60. There are 60 seconds in a minute.
60 (10 x 6) minutes in an hour.
12 (2 x 6) hours is half a day. x 2 = 24 hours = 1 day.
12 (2 x 6) months in a year.
12 (2 x6) disciples.

Anyone that thinks that anything other than 6, 6, 6 (3 x 6) is the ideal is obviously a complete idiot or a fraud.

[Bruce Tackett]

Oct 21, 2017 22:48:01 GMT BigBruvOfEnglandUK said:

6, 6, 6 is obiously the correct method. The number 6 was an important number to the Sumerians who inhabited what is now southern Irag over 6000 years ago (Probably learned from the Anunnaki of course) and it is still important today.
6 x 2 = dozen.
We use half dozen (6) and dozen (2 x 6) to buy our eggs and many other things.
The brick tongs we use at work carry 6 bricks each. The bricks are usually packed in rows of 12 (2 x 6).
6 x 10 = 60. There are 60 seconds in a minute.
60 (10 x 6) minutes in an hour.
12 (2 x 6) hours is half a day. x 2 = 24 hours = 1 day.
12 (2 x 6) months in a year.
12 (2 x6) disciples.

Anyone that thinks that anything other than 6, 6, 6 (3 x 6) is the ideal is obviously a complete idiot or a fraud.

Personally, I think it's six and a half dozen of another.

[TexasRanger]

Oct 21, 2017 21:15:50 GMT Bruce Tackett said:

I should be on top of this, but I'm not. Is this holding an isometric for 5 seconds, and then for 6 seconds, and then 7?

If so, does it make any sense? I've read that holding an iso once recruits all of your muscle fibers, and repeating the same iso has no further effect. I know that Alexander Zass did sets of the same iso, but they probably didn't know about fiber recruitment back then.

On the other hand, Mueller's frog developed strength in his leg by attempting to free himself from being held fast. I gotta assume that this was a continuous effort and that he didn't make one 7 second attempt and then try again after 48 hours.

I'm curious about this 5-6-7 protocol because elsewhere in the world it is being touted as the greatest contribution to physical culture since Milo first lifted a calf to his shoulders, and the guy who "invented" it (and if you say he didn't, then you're a lying bastard) is being compared to Einstein.

Further, a certain world renown strength and health coach and ordained minister of the Gospel in our Lord Jesus Christ, Amen, has taken this protocol to new and unexplored heights by increasing it to.............................drumroll..................................6-7-8!

Bruce -

Well, here's the thing: someone found the same protocol was posted on Dave W's board around a decade ago.  When several of us pointed this out on AMM the spin and fallacy of the claims of re the 5-6-7, the ordained minister broke out the profanity and was calling everyone in the world a liar.  (Funny coming from him, eh?)

Well, for upcoming book (only eight years in the making) the little weasel simply made it 6-7-8 so he could say it was HIS invention, or, knew how to make Solytrain's protocol better...whatever.  We know how JP works.  

There's even a post where Morehouse secretly whispered in JP's ear that isometrics are the most important part of any workout.  Really?  Really?  I bought his books off of Amazon, pulled papers where I could them off of the web and there's jack squat to back that claim.

[gruntbrain]

Was it Mueller who declared that it took 2 minutes for a muscle to fully recover after an intense 6 second isometric contraction? Or did that come from Professor Irwin Cory?

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Oct 21, 2017 21:15:50 GMT Bruce Tackett said:

I should be on top of this, but I'm not. Is this holding an isometric for 5 seconds, and then for 6 seconds, and then 7?

If so, does it make any sense? I've read that holding an iso once recruits all of your muscle fibers, and repeating the same iso has no further effect. I know that Alexander Zass did sets of the same iso, but they probably didn't know about fiber recruitment back then.

On the other hand, Mueller's frog developed strength in his leg by attempting to free himself from being held fast. I gotta assume that this was a continuous effort and that he didn't make one 7 second attempt and then try again after 48 hours.

I'm curious about this 5-6-7 protocol because elsewhere in the world it is being touted as the greatest contribution to physical culture since Milo first lifted a calf to his shoulders, and the guy who "invented" it (and if you say he didn't, then you're a lying bastard) is being compared to Einstein.

Further, a certain world renown strength and health coach and ordained minister of the Gospel in our Lord Jesus Christ, Amen, has taken this protocol to new and unexplored heights by increasing it to.............................drumroll..................................6-7-8!

Bruce everyone claims to be the first to come up with all this stuff. People have been exercising for ever and isometrics have been done many differant ways. Someone was probably using that protical before. Personal I don't think there is any wrong or right way to do isometrics. For the 5-6-7 or 6-7-8 all Your doing is easing into intensity. The 5 or 6 second one is light tension like a warm up. Then each number after You're going harder. You take a couple of breaths in between each contraction. There's no magic in it just like there's no magic into any protical. The best way to find out if something works for a person is exactly what You're doing now with Your experiment. I think the School of Applied Exercise is the best.

[Bruce Tackett]

Right, and getting back to the mystical numbers, the number 18 has some Kabbalah significance, and the number 21 pertains directly to the ordained minister, as does everything else in the world.

But, don't you understand? Dr. Morehouse had waited an entire lifetime to whisper the secret into the ear of the only person in the entire world worthy to receive it.

Anyway, getting back to my original question:

Is this holding an isometric for 5 seconds, and then for 6 seconds, and then 7?

[Bruce Tackett]

Oct 21, 2017 23:08:41 GMT @jackrow said:

Oct 21, 2017 21:15:50 GMT Bruce Tackett said:

I should be on top of this, but I'm not. Is this holding an isometric for 5 seconds, and then for 6 seconds, and then 7?

If so, does it make any sense? I've read that holding an iso once recruits all of your muscle fibers, and repeating the same iso has no further effect. I know that Alexander Zass did sets of the same iso, but they probably didn't know about fiber recruitment back then.

On the other hand, Mueller's frog developed strength in his leg by attempting to free himself from being held fast. I gotta assume that this was a continuous effort and that he didn't make one 7 second attempt and then try again after 48 hours.

I'm curious about this 5-6-7 protocol because elsewhere in the world it is being touted as the greatest contribution to physical culture since Milo first lifted a calf to his shoulders, and the guy who "invented" it (and if you say he didn't, then you're a lying bastard) is being compared to Einstein.

Further, a certain world renown strength and health coach and ordained minister of the Gospel in our Lord Jesus Christ, Amen, has taken this protocol to new and unexplored heights by increasing it to.............................drumroll..................................6-7-8!

Bruce everyone claims to be the first to come up with all this stuff. People have been exercising for ever and isometrics have been done many differant ways. Someone was probably using that protical before. Personal I don't think there is any wrong or right way to do isometrics. For the 5-6-7 or 6-7-8 all Your doing is easing into intensity. The 5 or 6 second one is light tension like a warm up. Then each number after You're going harder. You take a couple of breaths in between each contraction. There's no magic in it just like there's no magic into any protical. The best way to find out if something works for a person is exactly what You're doing now with Your experiment. I think the School of Applied Exercise is the best.

Oh, Jackie....you posted as I was. Do you mean that 5-6-7 is all one isometric, that 5 and 6 and 7 seconds are different levels of intensity of the same iso?

[Bruce Tackett]

Oct 21, 2017 23:00:40 GMT gruntbrain said:

Was it Mueller who declared that it took 2 minutes for a muscle to fully recover after an intense 6 second isometric contraction? Or did that come from Professor Irwin Cory?

It had to have been Professor Irwin Cory!

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Oct 21, 2017 23:18:34 GMT Bruce Tackett said:

Oct 21, 2017 23:08:41 GMT @jackrow said:

Bruce everyone claims to be the first to come up with all this stuff. People have been exercising for ever and isometrics have been done many differant ways. Someone was probably using that protical before. Personal I don't think there is any wrong or right way to do isometrics. For the 5-6-7 or 6-7-8 all Your doing is easing into intensity. The 5 or 6 second one is light tension like a warm up. Then each number after You're going harder. You take a couple of breaths in between each contraction. There's no magic in it just like there's no magic into any protical. The best way to find out if something works for a person is exactly what You're doing now with Your experiment. I think the School of Applied Exercise is the best.

Oh, Jackie....you posted as I was. Do you mean that 5-6-7 is all one isometric, that 5 and 6 and 7 seconds are different levels of intensity of the same iso?

You hold 5 seconds, take a breath or two, hold 6 seconds, take a breath or two, hold 7 seconds. Yes pretty much the same iso but different levels of intensity. See it's not rocket science like he makes it sound like.

[BigBruvOfEnglandUK]

6 pennies to half a shilling (sixpenny bit). (From the pre decimal currencey)
12 (2 x 6) pennies to a shilling.
24 (4 x 6) pennies to a florin.
2.5 shillings (5 x 6 pennies) to half a crown.
5 shillings (10 x 6 pennies)to a crown.
21 shillings (42 x 6 pennies) to a guinea.
240 (40 X 6) pennies is one pre decimal, British £.
12 (2 x 6) inches to a foot.
36 (6 x 6)inches to a yard.
6 sides on a cube.
6 pack abs.
6 pack of beer.
A standard guitar has 6 strings.
6 points on a Star of David.
6 days to create the world.
Insects have 6 legs.
6 is the atomic number of carbon.

I really shouldn't have to explain any of this, m8s.

[Bruce Tackett]

Oct 21, 2017 23:24:56 GMT @jackrow said:

You hold 5 seconds, take a breath or two, hold 6 seconds, take a breath or two, hold 7 seconds. Yes pretty much the same iso but different levels of intensity. See it's not rocket science like he makes it sound like.

[Mr Average]

Oct 21, 2017 23:32:07 GMT BigBruvOfEnglandUK said:

6 pennies to half a shilling (sixpenny bit). (From the pre decimal currencey)
12 (2 x 6) pennies to a shilling.
24 (4 x 6) pennies to a florin.
2.5 shillings (5 x 6 pennies) to half a crown.
5 shillings (10 x 6 pennies)to a crown.
21 shillings (42 x 6 pennies) to a guinea.
240 (40 X 6) pennies is one pre decimal, British £.
12 (2 x 6) inches to a foot.
36 (6 x 6)inches to a yard.
6 sides on a cube.
6 pack abs.
6 pack of beer.
A standard guitar has 6 strings.
6 points on a Star of David.
6 days to create the world.
Insects have 6 legs.
6 is the atomic number of carbon.

I really shouldn't have to explain any of this, m8s.

You for 6 inches is the size of the average penis.

[Deleted]

Bruce, now hold your breath for the secret exercises. Maybe you'll find out this Christmas.