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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 20, 2017 20:25:59 GMT
Years ago I almost destroyed my shoulders from doing behind-the-neck presses. Back then, there was no internet, no guidance. I loved that exercise, and even after experiencing pain, I kept it up. Eventually, my shoulder joints were in such bad condition, I had to give it up. I have since learned that that is an exercise you should never do. Eventually my shoulders healed, but my left shoulder completely healed, whereas my right shoulder never completely has. There is always a somewhat uncomfortable kink in that shoulder and I often rotate my arm around in an effort to set it right, and it clicks as I do so. My left shoulder has always been bigger and more muscular than my right, even before beginning working out.
My left knee is always on the verge of hurting. If I do squats too low, I will set it off, where as my right knee feels perfectly fine. I have more muscle around my right knee than I do on my left.
Could starting out with and maintaining a sensible, safe, program of progressive resistance lessen the likely hood of suffering joint injuries?
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Post by Mr Average on Oct 20, 2017 20:52:33 GMT
I think listening to your body, is better for preventing joint injuries. Just over 10 years ago I had a problem with my right shoulder. The cause of the problem was doing a manual job and training as well, I managed to get away with it for years. But then one day what went from an aching shoulder turn into pain and loss of movement. I made the mistake and did not listen to my body, I had pain going from neck down to my finger tips and could only move my hand 6 inches away from my thigh. I had a MRI scan and it showed that the tendons in my shoulder where so inflamed that they where rubbing against the bone. In the end I had keyhole surgery to shave the bone so the tendons had room. I have not had any problems with my shoulder since and have been more sensible about what I do physically.
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 20, 2017 21:01:27 GMT
Bruce,
I think you're spot on: safe exercises, moderate amounts of weight -- IMHO -- will do just that. I've read where people who lifted that were in car wrecks that would have caused serious harm to the average person walked away with minor injuries because they were resilient enough to withstand the wreck.
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 20, 2017 21:14:29 GMT
Yeah, we're a bunch of cranky old bastards that are hard to kill.
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 20, 2017 21:17:38 GMT
Years ago I almost destroyed my shoulders from doing behind-the-neck presses. Back then, there was no internet, no guidance. I loved that exercise, and even after experiencing pain, I kept it up. Eventually, my shoulder joints were in such bad condition, I had to give it up. I have since learned that that is an exercise you should never do. Consider this: The people from who persuaded you to do behind-the-neck presses are the same group that is saying that "48 hour recovery" is a rule. Well, what about that? Huh?
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 20, 2017 21:25:08 GMT
No, they were two different groups of people.
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 20, 2017 21:26:27 GMT
No, they were two different groups of people. ....., but of one mind.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 20, 2017 21:39:51 GMT
No, they were diametrically opposed in every way.
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 20, 2017 22:58:32 GMT
It was these guys...no casting couch too small for them!
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Post by Michael on Oct 20, 2017 23:39:05 GMT
Years ago I almost destroyed my shoulders from doing behind-the-neck presses. Back then, there was no internet, no guidance. I loved that exercise, and even after experiencing pain, I kept it up. Eventually, my shoulder joints were in such bad condition, I had to give it up. I have since learned that that is an exercise you should never do. Eventually my shoulders healed, but my left shoulder completely healed, whereas my right shoulder never completely has. There is always a somewhat uncomfortable kink in that shoulder and I often rotate my arm around in an effort to set it right, and it clicks as I do so. My left shoulder has always been bigger and more muscular than my right, even before beginning working out. My left knee is always on the verge of hurting. If I do squats too low, I will set it off, where as my right knee feels perfectly fine. I have more muscle around my right knee than I do on my left. Could starting out with and maintaining a sensible, safe, program of progressive resistance lessen the likely hood of suffering joint injuries? I think that's a definite and would say what Texas said is right on. I think there's many ways to get out of pain and also working around it. Everyone has to find their way. Like I said on the other thread, Mikey's shoulder isometric is a good one. When I had my left shoulder operated on I used chest expander exercises to rehab. Never had a problem with it again. I wish I had your cables at the time because the ones I used would break. That didn't feel to good. Also hanging is great if you're able to do it.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 20, 2017 23:48:51 GMT
Also hanging is great if you're able to do it. Problem is, you can only do it once.
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Post by Michael on Oct 20, 2017 23:56:40 GMT
, Bruce. I forgot to write from a bar. I used to have a book. Think it was called, " Shoulder Solutions" which talked about hanging from a "bar" for shoulder healing and health. No doctor or scientist so can't confirm healing. It also talked about doing light dumbbells exercises; front, side, and rear laterals. Honestly if you used your cables extensively would be a big help.
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 21, 2017 0:22:22 GMT
For shoulder health, I've got two books that I've always used: - www.amazon.com/7-Minute-Rotator-Cuff-Solution/dp/0944831257 (Lots of legacy exercises, but, very good information regarding exercises you avoid.) - Nate Rifkin's book on healing your shoulders. Some overlap with the Health for Life book, but, it also has some simple, effective options for opening your shoulders and you can use weights, towels, etc.
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 21, 2017 0:27:43 GMT
It was these guys...no casting couch too small for them! I'm not as experienced as most of you, but yes, my understanding of the current bro-science beliefs which ignore real life human biology and mechanics would make these guys the impetus that popularized it at least, if not the originators of all of the BS that continues to be pushed onto the meathead fraternity. Back, before there were muscle magazines to sell, gyms to build and exercise equipment to manufacture on a large scale basis, back when people used to pay attention to their bodies and adjust their work volume (when they could) to intensity levels that were healthy enough to allow doing their activities every day, they didn't need to read how to do behind-the-neck presses or be told there was a certain amount of time that must be observed for recovery. Am I certifiably wrong?
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 21, 2017 0:30:58 GMT
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