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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 14, 2017 20:22:36 GMT
...high volume pushups. Didn't post my workout today as I was so f'ng PO'd...was doing pushups (sets of 25, 30 and then heading for 35) with chins and felt a slight twinge in my right shoulder towards the end of set #2. Immediately went away when I stopped...sized things up and thought probably nothing. Well set three and rep #22 there's the knife in the right shoulder. Good, strict form...made sure I didn't bottom out, etc., etc. Unless I'm doing SuperSlow or Cerqua style pushups absolutely no point for me to bother with these. Even when I was in high school and we had to do these in PE classes or in the military for PT, they never felt right but I ground 'em out. But, I can still do incline DB benches with a pretty decent weight and reps (100 x 12, for example) and NO issues. Anyway, grabbed some Advil, the heating pad things are better. Well, dat's it. No more...
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Oct 14, 2017 20:41:16 GMT
I stopped doing them years ago and my dodgy right shoulder has been so much better. I injured it doing pushups in the first place about 20 years ago. Just recently there were some guys on a Facebook bricklaying group I go to that were posting pushup vids they had made. Most were managing about 20 reps. One guy did a good amount of clapping pushups. Can't remember how many but I was impressed. I considered posting a pushup vid but thought I had better have a practice first as I had not done any in so long. I got to 32 reps but my shoulder started to feel very irritated so I stopped. My shoulder was sore for a few days after. It has convinced me that I really just need to avoid this exercise. I don't like high rep stuff anyway so I'm not bothered. btw, I can only do pushups on my knuckles. Hands flat on the floor gives me carpal tunnel syndrome. I never get carpal tunnel syndrome from any other exercise or from work.
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Post by billfish on Oct 14, 2017 20:57:54 GMT
...high volume pushups. Didn't post my workout today as I was so f'ng PO'd...was doing pushups (sets of 25, 30 and then heading for 35) with chins and felt a slight twinge in my right shoulder towards the end of set #2. Immediately went away when I stopped...sized things up and thought probably nothing. Well set three and rep #22 there's the knife in the right shoulder. Good, strict form...made sure I didn't bottom out, etc., etc. Unless I'm doing SuperSlow or Cerqua style pushups absolutely no point for me to bother with these. Even when I was in high school and we had to do these in PE classes or in the military for PT, they never felt right but I ground 'em out. But, I can still do incline DB benches with a pretty decent weight and reps (100 x 12, for example) and NO issues. Anyway, grabbed some Advil, the heating pad things are better. Well, dat's it. No more... Do 10 sets of 100 reps ASAP.....it's a guaranteed cure for any shoulder problems.
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Post by Mr Average on Oct 14, 2017 21:10:18 GMT
...high volume pushups. Didn't post my workout today as I was so f'ng PO'd...was doing pushups (sets of 25, 30 and then heading for 35) with chins and felt a slight twinge in my right shoulder towards the end of set #2. Immediately went away when I stopped...sized things up and thought probably nothing. Well set three and rep #22 there's the knife in the right shoulder. Good, strict form...made sure I didn't bottom out, etc., etc. Unless I'm doing SuperSlow or Cerqua style pushups absolutely no point for me to bother with these. Even when I was in high school and we had to do these in PE classes or in the military for PT, they never felt right but I ground 'em out. But, I can still do incline DB benches with a pretty decent weight and reps (100 x 12, for example) and NO issues. Anyway, grabbed some Advil, the heating pad things are better. Well, dat's it. No more... Do 10 sets of 100 reps ASAP.....it's a guaranteed cure for any shoulder problems. Yes it will gorge that area with blood thus instant healing!
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Post by keith on Oct 15, 2017 9:01:46 GMT
I never got into the high volume pushups everyday training.
I used to do them every other day or every third day, I would do 500 what was called then the Liederman pushups and once per month I would do 500 liederman pushups and 500 liederman pushups feet elevated, I would do them on a sunday.
Then I got into the atlas pushups, I used to do 500 pushups, again never got into everyday training.
Now I will do about 300 reps in the atlas pushups every now and then.
The most I ever did in one set was 124 reps in the Liederman pushups but got I'll and couldn't train for two months, once that happened I never really got back into bodyweight training exclusively.
Keith.
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 15, 2017 13:42:25 GMT
The only high volume exercise I consider these days is perambulating. Other high volume exercises are joint killers, IMO. Banging out repetitive chin ups messed up my elbows. So would pull ups if I did them the same way, but I learned the hard way and I'm not going back to that again.
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 15, 2017 14:23:10 GMT
A couple of more thoughts: who said high volume pushups are: 1. Functional. Even the world's pushup king once showed the fallicy of high volume pushups: Gordon Anderson hurt his shoulder putting a small carry-on in the overhead compartment of a commercial airliner. 2. Necessary to human health 3. Joint safe...after all, the human shoulder is a ball and socket joint and most experts in biomechanics agree they are not designed for many of the things we put them through. Heavy bench pressing, not doubt, fits into this definition and my orthos tried to make sure I understand this on multiple occasions. As do grinding out high volume movements. Second, why would you want to do a bunch of pushups when better options are available? Even the old-time strongmen had hellacious (natural) chest development from more natural movements like pressing overhead. Johnny Nguyen, fitness and nutritional author, posted pictures of an impressive physique including great shoulder/pec development and a lot of his uppoer body work has migrated toaround medicine ball work amongst other options. (Picture of Nguyen for Bruv's new calendar...)
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 15, 2017 15:46:18 GMT
One other note: since I cut things short yesterday, I went ahead and worked out this morning. Incline DB benches, warm up, 2 x 10 (decided not to push it too much) with my normal weights. It is now 2 1/2 hours after the workout and no issues like yesterday.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 15, 2017 18:05:01 GMT
Well, I for one, was sorry to have to let pushups go. Back in the early years of working out I considered pushups and chinups, and still do, to be the cornerstone of an upper body workout, and that all other exercises were in addition to. I always did one set of pushups and one set of wide grip lat pullups and one set of close grip chinups three times a week, one set, adding to the numbers as I was able to do so. I relished these exercises.
In my late forties I had to give up the chinups, as they kept hurting my elbows, and find alternative back exercises. I could do pushups as I always had been able to until I hit the age of 58. All of a sudden there was a stiffness in my chest. From then on I could only do pushups down to arms parallel, or do them elevated.
Why is it always everyone's right shoulder? I've had problems with my right shoulder for years. And then just a few months ago it finally caught up to me and it was just too painful to do pushups at all. I found, though, that I could do pushups with my hands close together and my elbows flared out, so I might, or might not start that up again when I've concluded my isometric experiment.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Oct 15, 2017 18:24:07 GMT
what was called then the Liederman pushups WTF are you on about, m8?
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Post by Michael on Oct 15, 2017 18:29:16 GMT
Well, I for one, was sorry to have to let pushups go. Back in the early years of working out I considered pushups and chinups, and still do, to be the cornerstone of an upper body workout, and that all other exercises were in addition to. I always did one set of pushups and one set of wide grip lat pullups and one set of close grip chinups three times a week, one set, adding to the numbers as I was able to do so. I relished these exercises. In my late forties I had to give up the chinups, as they kept hurting my elbows, and find alternative back exercises. I could do pushups as I always had been able to until I hit the age of 58. All of a sudden there was a stiffness in my chest. From then on I could only do pushups down to arms parallel, or do them elevated. Why is it always everyone's right shoulder? I've had problems with my right shoulder for years. And then just a few months ago it finally caught up to me and it was just too painful to do pushups at all. I found, though, that I could do pushups with my hands close together and my elbows flared out, so I might, or might not start that up again when I've concluded my isometric experiment. In your late forties??! For cryin' out loud! I'm in my late forties and still doing chinups! ! I couldn't pass that up Bruce sorry. On a serious note, I have used push ups and pull ups in my routine with no problems. The only problem I had was with the Atlas 3 variation while doing them everyday on a recommendation. Plus I was pushing the reps as Texas. Not every exercise is for everyone. I prefer to keep my reps 20 and below. I try to make the pushup harder by variation, tension, or slowing them done.I also don't do pushups more than twice a week. I think chasing reps is a mistake alot of people make with them. If I was Texas I probably wouldn't do them if they have cause him problem in the past. It's not worth it, there are plenty of exercises.
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 15, 2017 19:07:50 GMT
Hi Jack, I've done a variety of pushups over the last few years using SuperSlow-style techniques including 30/30/30 and the regular 10/10 protocol as well as Cerqua's SS + isometrics and holds in the plank position. These work nicely and rarely an issue. But lots and lots of pushups never been an exercise that I enjoyed nor felt good for as long as I remember. Bruv mentioned wrist issues from pushups...I've got the perfect pushup handles which eliminated this issue. Started having the issue with Hindu pushups where you move up and over your wrist. Dorsiflexion creates a lot of compression in the (very) small bones in the wrist and pressure they're not designed to handle over & over & over or on a sustained basis (and this is an issue with some who practice yoga hence the use of yoga blocks): And agree with Bruce 100% on chins...in fact, I tore my biceps doing chins. But I never had a lick of problems with pulldowns. Crunch's iso-holds, TRX rows, one-armed DB rows, deadlift variations and the occasional set of chins comprise most of my back work. When traveling, short on time or just don't want the hassle of getting the weights ready or TRX set up, will do the "pullover" on the countertop as an option. My iso-bow packs nicely in the suitcase or is a tremendous option when short on time.
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Post by Michael on Oct 15, 2017 19:42:45 GMT
Hi Jack, I've done a variety of pushups over the last few years using SuperSlow-style techniques including 30/30/30 and the regular 10/10 protocol as well as Cerqua's SS + isometrics and holds in the plank position. These work nicely and rarely an issue. But lots and lots of pushups never been an exercise that I enjoyed nor felt good for as long as I remember. Bruv mentioned wrist issues from pushups...I've got the perfect pushup handles which eliminated this issue. Started having the issue with Hindu pushups where you move up and over your wrist. Dorsiflexion creates a lot of compression in the (very) small bones in the wrist and pressure they're not designed to handle over & over & over or on a sustained basis (and this is an issue with some who practice yoga hence the use of yoga blocks): And agree with Bruce 100% on chins...in fact, I tore my biceps doing chins. But I never had a lick of problems with pulldowns. Crunch's iso-holds, TRX rows, one-armed DB rows, deadlift variations and the occasional set of chins comprise most of my back work. When traveling, short on time or just don't want the hassle of getting the weights ready or TRX set up, will do the "pullover" on the countertop as an option. My iso-bow packs nicely in the suitcase or is a tremendous option when short on time. Texas why were you doing push-ups like that if you never enjoyed them? I've never had problems with push ups, chin ups or pull ups. They all feel good but I don't chase reps. If someone wants to do 20 chins or pull ups more power to them. I'll stick to my 6-10 feeling the muscle work. I never had wrist problems with hands on the ground. But if I could not do them anymore I wouldn't sweat it. Glad to see you have found other options. I hope your shoulder feels better.
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 15, 2017 19:58:10 GMT
Why did I do pushups? Heh...
School - Phys Ed classes. College - A buddy down the hall did pushups, chins, ran and was in great shape. Not in the class of conditioning of Whiffet, but, similar and he was an inspiration...the program worked for him therefore it should work for me. Military - We know the drill here.
The last few years, I started doing them as I moved away from the bodybuilding mentality and was reading Matt Furey's books, Stew Smith's and of course Convict Conditioning.
Someone sent me a PM suggesting a tweak in form that I may try next time. If it works, will share with the group.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 15, 2017 20:22:13 GMT
Texas why were you doing push-ups like that if you never enjoyed them? I've never had problems with push ups, chin ups or pull ups. They all feel good but I don't chase reps. If someone wants to do 20 chins or pull ups more power to them. I'll stick to my 6-10 feeling the muscle work. I never had wrist problems with hands on the ground. But if I could not do them anymore I wouldn't sweat it. Glad to see you have found other options. I hope your shoulder feels better. I believe what did me in on the chinups was my weight. I was about 195 lbs. in my late forties. My elbows just couldn't handle it. What I used to do was to pull myself up to the back of my neck with a wide grip, lower myself, and then lean way back and pull myself up to my chest, and then just kept going back and forth like that. Back in the day I did 16 reps.
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