TexasRanger
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Post by TexasRanger on Jun 28, 2018 22:42:27 GMT
The one thing about true HIT...is it necessarily the right way to train long term? Several experts on longevity have said in their studies, both humans and their test animals did "moderate" work and there was more aerobic type activity involved to include a lot of walking. No extreme stuff like Crossfit, HIT, etc. And if you're not careful, along with being fried physically from the workout when you push to failure the problem is your muscles typically progress -- strength wise -- faster than your tendons can keep up with which accounts for so many injuries. I know in the world of 'aerobic' or distance training, every respected running coach that dates back Arthur Lydiard all advised moderation and comfortable training 80 - 90% of the time to avoid burnout and injury. Could the same apply here? Probably...
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Post by TexasRanger on Jun 28, 2018 22:45:27 GMT
Interesting thing for me? I quit "arm" work until recently and saw absolutely no difference in size or strength...a couple of weeks ago, I did one set of concentration curls and used the same weights as a couple of months prior, maybe a rep or two short of my previous "high". I got the idea from other websites where other people have found the same thing, plus, it saves on the biceps tendon wear & tear where it attaches to the shoulder. A lot of grind takes place when you're curling per my MD and if heavy rows and chins can do the same thing, well, saves me a few minutes. Still think back to this from Jones... I have heard a couple of people swear by dead lifts as the mega biceps developer, Mags being one of them. Based on his pics even as a whee youth, I think Magz was one of those guys who was going to be a big mo fo no matter what -- he'd probably be jacked from Shake Weights...
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Michael
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Post by Michael on Jun 28, 2018 22:52:22 GMT
The one thing about true HIT...is it necessarily the right way to train long term? Several experts on longevity have said in their studies, both humans and their test animals did "moderate" work and there was more aerobic type activity involved to include a lot of walking. No extreme stuff like Crossfit, HIT, etc. And if you're not careful, along with being fried physically from the workout when you push to failure the problem is your muscles typically progress -- strength wise -- faster than your tendons can keep up with which accounts for so many injuries. I know in the world of 'aerobic' or distance training, every respected running coach that dates back Arthur Lydiard all advised moderation and comfortable training 80 - 90% of the time to avoid burnout and injury. Could the same apply here? Probably... Makes sense to me, good insights. Thanks.
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Michael
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Post by Michael on Jun 28, 2018 22:54:41 GMT
Some people can grow no matter what they do.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 29, 2018 0:03:15 GMT
1. Loaded Carry 2. Squat 3. High Bar Hang 4. Dip 5. Arm Swinging/Torso Twisting
These are my "go-to's" w/ some amount of movement typically involved depending on the exercise and/or how I want to distribute the tension. #'s 2, 3, & 4 are holds w/ some partial movement. I do them, according to available energy, every day, sometimes several times in a day, to every three days, depending on how I feel.
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Post by TexasRanger on Jun 29, 2018 0:12:33 GMT
1. Loaded Carry 2. Squat 3. High Bar Hang 4. Dip 5. Arm Swinging/Torso Twisting These are my "go-to's" w/ some amount of movement typically involved depending on the exercise and/or how I want to distribute the tension. #'s 2, 3, & 4 are holds w/ some partial movement. I do them, according to available energy, every day, sometimes several times in a day, to every three days, depending on how I feel. Dip via Pete's method?
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 29, 2018 0:21:13 GMT
Pete Wagner? I don't know - or maybe I don't remember, but, no, not necessarily. I use a walker and raise my legs in front of me, swing them back, twist, do partial down for extra tension, hold, shake or pulse or whatever macky says is the correct term for slight, slow, bobbing up and down while maintaining tension.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2018 10:02:43 GMT
The problem with that is that chest and back exercises necessarily involve your arms. But differently, with back I'm pulling, with chest I'm pushing, and with arms I'm doing seated DB curls.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2018 10:08:18 GMT
How many sets are you doing per bodypart? anywhere from 3 to 5 depending on exercise. Rep ranges vary due to weight used, start with around 8 - 10 down to 4- 6, legs would be more, calves would be 15 - 25, squats 15 - 20. I also test my 1 - 3 rep max.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2018 12:39:22 GMT
Here are my thoughts ... I've done a four day split. I was happy with the results but felt permanently drained.
I'm currently doing a full body routine with 3 days rest between them. I'm very happy with how it is going. I feel great and full of energy all the time.
The problem with these splits is that your central nervous system is constantly taxed. You tax it hard Monday for chest, it gets taxed again on Tuesday for back and so on. Your muscles might be recovered but your CNS gets fried.
I do 5 sets for each muscle. Obviously there is a cross over. I veer towards HIT but find a bit more volume helps.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2018 13:26:17 GMT
I hadn't been to the Gym for like a month, before that did 7 weeks of hard work. After 7 weeks I was feeling time for a break so went back to Hot Yoga. The studio is closed for 9 days next week to do some repair renovation work, but there is another location I can go to by car. Today I went to the apartment building Gym, thought I get the legs done in case they get sore and maybe go to the other Yoga location after the Canada Day weekend.
Water Rower 2mins 500meters. A few bodyweight squats, side to side squatting and heel raises. 50lb DB on shoulder did parallel squats followed by heel raises then switched sides, DB on other shoulder. Deep Yoga lunge and hold each side. With 50 DB again but did Atlas style deep knee bends followed by heel raises, did both sides.
On the V1-Select I did front leg raises with that padded attachment for quads. Standing leg curl with the lower pads.
Ankle attachment did an exercise where the one leg is across the other and move it away sideways like. Then with ankle pulley use it with leg in front then straight back.
30 Cross-Fit sit-ups, 15 push-ups and Strongfort legs raises over head to touch hands, without weights in the hands.
Waist twists and Taiji toe touches, I'm done till tomorrow which will be arms.
Went for a walkabout and I did some Taiji in the park, 4 pull-ups on the high football post.
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Post by trog on Jun 29, 2018 14:52:19 GMT
I go to the gym Monday, Wednesday and Saturday, and I always start with superset of pullups and dips. Sometimes I'm still feeling a shoulder burn at my next workout, sometimes I don't feel any burn at all. I've always found recovery times vary greatly. Supposing I'm going to do 21s and I'm not feeling a burn before I start. Sometimes I'll sail through the sets, other times I'll pick up the weight and think "Not today". I'll have to use a lighter weight or do a different exercise. I usually curl 15kgs, but I'll knock that back to 8-10kgs for 21's and usually 12kgs for concentration or preacher curls. Of course, it depends on whether my arms want to do curls on that day; if it is a "not today" day, I'll take a couple of more kgs off.
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Post by Mr Average on Jun 29, 2018 15:06:13 GMT
Well I have been working out for about 15 minutes once a week and have had no problems in adding 2 sets on each of my exercises every week. I even once went 10 days between workouts and still added an extra 2 sets without problems.
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Post by Silverlooks on Jun 29, 2018 22:37:09 GMT
I'm currently doing a full body routine with 3 days rest between them. I'm very happy with how it is going. I feel great and full of energy all the time. My experience too. People often underestimate the psychological/physiological damage of overtraining.
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Post by Michael on Jun 30, 2018 1:31:36 GMT
Whiffet and Silverlooks, Your results are proof that what You do works for You. I do believe as Whiffet and Bruce said there's carryover with each muscle. But have any of You guys experienced not feeling other muscles working when there is suppose to be carryover. Example for me is pull ups and chins. When I do them I concentrate on pulling my elbows down so I feel all the work in my upper back and none in the arms. I learned this from Al Kavadlo.
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