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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 16, 2023 18:52:28 GMT
Do you see the word "virus" or "associated pathologies" anywhere in my post?Everyone who collects and eats mushroom fungi, as I do, knows that you must know which ones to eat and which to avoid. Duh.
I don't need any experiments to tell me that. This is not an article about eating fungi.I'm only addressing the pseudo-scientific methods they are using.For example, this is not science that proves that fungi is killing people in Vancouver:
It is merely one possibility. Could be their forestry/pulp/paper industry waste that they've been dumping into their water?
Could be something else too, as they say, ".... may be ...." or maybe not. No proof.
No proof of anything and they can't prove it by creating or using previously created cool computer "models" or mixing up soups of dead material. All plants & fungi have natural defenses. Some of these defenses have evolved to toxins to keep from being eaten or touched. Fungi procreate by releasing spores. Spores which come from poisonous fungi. If u happen to breath in these spores they can either make u sick or dead. It’s that simple. U should read up about the deadly spore outbreak on Vancouver Island before discussing it or passing judgment when u are not in possession of the facts save yr biased suppositions. They haven't proved in this or the other article that there IS a "deadly spore outbreak". Need to do that before ASS-U-MEing that it is THE cause. Documents full of ambiguities prove nothing. |
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 16, 2023 19:05:43 GMT
I have no issue with PROVING that fungi spores are killing people in Vancouver, but it must be DEFINITIVE, not guesswork.
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 16, 2023 19:17:41 GMT
If it was me, I might go out to the area where the people are dying and collect air samples, see if there are any spores floating around ...... I'd guess it would be likely.
Then I'd expose sacrificial critters to them (BEFORE the spores have been chopped up, killed, twirled, mixed with chemicals, etc) and see if they get sick and die. Seems pretty simple.
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Post by jonrock on Nov 16, 2023 19:19:51 GMT
Too late by a few decades..........The fatal fungal outbreak on Vancouver Island of 1999 is characterized by enhanced intracellular parasitism driven by mitochondrial regulation www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0902963106The aliens have been at it for decades! |
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Post by moxohol on Nov 16, 2023 19:29:02 GMT
All plants & fungi have natural defenses. Some of these defenses have evolved to toxins to keep from being eaten or touched. Fungi procreate by releasing spores. Spores which come from poisonous fungi. If u happen to breath in these spores they can either make u sick or dead. It’s that simple. U should read up about the deadly spore outbreak on Vancouver Island before discussing it or passing judgment when u are not in possession of the facts save yr biased suppositions. Documents full of ambiguities prove nothing. U have the “Red Tides” or blooms that occur in the Carolinas every few years due to climate change that puts an serious economic dent on the oyster & fishing industry. Industry specialists don’t go running around chasing fantasies to alleviate the problem. They deal in facts by identifying the causative agent & providing solutions. It was the same situation with Vancouver Island (VI) spore outbreak due to unusual warm climate change. Such incidents are unremarkable because they have other same examples of triggered events caused by climate change across the globe. VI is heavily forested as the rest of British Columbia is but VI & Vancouver coastline have an extensive archipelago islands which is a possible factor. The regional, provincial & federal government have all invested time & money to investigate the problem. None of which involved any connection with the lumber & paper mill industry. BC has loads of lumber industries dotted all over the province & respiratory problems are nowhere near the levels seen on VI & the main coastline. Again, u don’t know what u are talking about nor do u bother to focus on the salient elements of what I’m actually talking about. U make these sweeping generalisations filtered by yr biases that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. My parents have a summer home there & of which I’ve used extensively. So, I am intimately familiar with the spore outbreak on the island. Ppl were dropping dead of respiratory related problems not from drinking or eating possible contaminants. No one questions pollen season & how it affects allergy sufferers. Do they? The same principle holds true for the spore outbreak but in this case it makes no distinction who is or will be affected. |
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 17, 2023 10:41:34 GMT
Documents full of ambiguities prove nothing. U have the “Red Tides” or blooms that occur in the Carolinas every few years due to climate change that puts an serious economic dent on the oyster & fishing industry. Industry specialists don’t go running around chasing fantasies to alleviate the problem. They deal in facts by identifying the causative agent & providing solutions. It was the same situation with Vancouver Island (VI) spore outbreak due to unusual warm climate change. Such incidents are unremarkable because they have other same examples of triggered events caused by climate change across the globe. VI is heavily forested as the rest of British Columbia is but VI & Vancouver coastline have an extensive archipelago islands which is a possible factor. The regional, provincial & federal government have all invested time & money to investigate the problem. None of which involved any connection with the lumber & paper mill industry. BC has loads of lumber industries dotted all over the province & respiratory problems are nowhere near the levels seen on VI & the main coastline. Again, u don’t know what u are talking about nor do u bother to focus on the salient elements of what I’m actually talking about. U make these sweeping generalisations filtered by yr biases that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. My parents have a summer home there & of which I’ve used extensively. So, I am intimately familiar with the spore outbreak on the island. Ppl were dropping dead of respiratory related problems not from drinking or eating possible contaminants. No one questions pollen season & how it affects allergy sufferers. Do they? The same principle holds true for the spore outbreak but in this case it makes no distinction who is or will be affected.
If I've observed that people who have taken vaccinations during their life have allergy problems in proportion to the number of vaccinations, that is proof enough for you that pollen more severely affects the jabbed? Was there a "pollen season" threat before there were vaccinations or industrial contamination?
Saying that "no one questions" something is not proof of anything either, BTW.
Questioning EVERYTHING is what everyone would be wise to do in this modern tech world.
In fact, the very basis, the beginning, for scientific experimentation is questioning.
One reason I have learned so much in the past 4 years or so is that I don't believe something just because some "expert" says it and I have had to be open to being wrong and make adjustments.
I agree with Dr Cowan. "What we have today is an epidemic of people not thinking."
Instead, they just want comfort in their hypnotic trance psychosis and give their responsibility to think to some poser who claims to be some kind of ordained, "officially approved" expert with a diploma.
In our fascination with, and religious reverence for, technology, we have created a fake world where it's quite socially acceptable to live in one's own (programmed) delusions, regardless of how it affects others and disregarding any questioning of ourselves or who we give attention to.
Some people chose who they listen to by nothing more than that they "like" one person's personality better than another, and they disregard any thought of whether either one or neither one is speaking truth. For them, truth is a personality contest, which is a ridiculous and naive assessment of course. |
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Post by moxohol on Nov 17, 2023 13:50:28 GMT
U have the “Red Tides” or blooms that occur in the Carolinas every few years due to climate change that puts an serious economic dent on the oyster & fishing industry. Industry specialists don’t go running around chasing fantasies to alleviate the problem. They deal in facts by identifying the causative agent & providing solutions. It was the same situation with Vancouver Island (VI) spore outbreak due to unusual warm climate change. Such incidents are unremarkable because they have other same examples of triggered events caused by climate change across the globe. VI is heavily forested as the rest of British Columbia is but VI & Vancouver coastline have an extensive archipelago islands which is a possible factor. The regional, provincial & federal government have all invested time & money to investigate the problem. None of which involved any connection with the lumber & paper mill industry. BC has loads of lumber industries dotted all over the province & respiratory problems are nowhere near the levels seen on VI & the main coastline. Again, u don’t know what u are talking about nor do u bother to focus on the salient elements of what I’m actually talking about. U make these sweeping generalisations filtered by yr biases that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. My parents have a summer home there & of which I’ve used extensively. So, I am intimately familiar with the spore outbreak on the island. Ppl were dropping dead of respiratory related problems not from drinking or eating possible contaminants. No one questions pollen season & how it affects allergy sufferers. Do they? The same principle holds true for the spore outbreak but in this case it makes no distinction who is or will be affected.
***Of course it does. You have 4 other major factors that decidedly affect weather patterns outside of the 30y cycle that Prof. Easterbrook declares. They are: 1)“Solar Maximums” which occur at the end of the standard 11 year cycles where sunspot activity begins & definitely affect weather patterns; 2) the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) which is a large system of ocean currents that carry warm water from the tropics northwards into the North Atlantic. It’s part of the thermohaline circulation in the oceans and is the zonally integrated component of surface and deep currents in the Atlantic Ocean.
These same currents are heavily implicated in the Mini Ice Age of the Middle Ages. New Foundland was once known as Vineland because the vikings could grow grapes because of the favorable climate ATT in 1000 AD. Same as the Younger Dryas hitched to the end of the last ice age we were coming out of; 3) Walker Circulation contributes independently to El Nino’s & El Nina’s which affects the Pacific coasts of the Americas & Canada & by extension changing weather patterns; 4) last but not least may I point out that we’re at end of an interglacial period known as the Halocene. We’re due for another cyclic ice age. God bless more CO2!
As a bonus point, there was a documented Solar Maximum event for the year 2000. Take whatever inference u like from that vis a vis the 1999 study I cited.***
Climate change is an approximate 30 year cycle and has always been. It is controlled by solar activity and atmospheric water vapor.
~30 years of cooling followed by ~30 years of warming, so the complete cycle of warming and cooling is ~60 years.
Changes in atmospheric CO2 follows climate change, not vice versa, and with a considerable time lag.
***agreed on those statements***
We are nearing the end of a cooling period that began about 1999.
There is no reason for climate change alarm.
Ref: Prof Don Easterbrook, "Evidence Based Climate Science".
***OK. Earth undergoes unusual weather patterns outside the norm all the time & they are thankfully shortlived but there are important exceptions like the ones I’ve cited above.***
So, you're trying to convince me that the investment of time and money by governments and people dropping dead of respiratory related problems is absolute proof that the cause is deadly spores?
***EXACTLY. It’s called relevant 1st hand knowledge because I live on Vancouver Island. I never said they solved the problem. They merely identified the cause. Of course, it was a different time back then too about Canadians & their government. Now there is an entire way of understanding life and reality today that’s over. What u would probably label as “cognitive dissonance”***
If I've observed that people who have taken vaccinations during their life have allergy problems in proportion to the number of vaccinations, that is proof enough for you that pollen more severely affects the jabbed? Was there a "pollen season" threat before there were vaccinations or industrial contamination?
***Yr kinda going off on different tangents here. It was a massive spore season that started in 1999 instead of a pollen season which unfortunately turned into a threat because of the poisonous mycelium releasing their spores. Vancouver Island is covered by a dense arboreal forest. I’d also point out there was an El Nina in effect in 1999 too. Fungi love cooler weather to breed spores.***
Saying that "no one questions" something is not proof of anything either, BTW.
Questioning EVERYTHING is what everyone would be wise to do in this modern tech world.
***That’s an assumption on your part. Canadians are terribly nice, polite & all that rot but they don’t grab their ankles either if they don’t buy into it. U have to buy into the argument & also respect the source too. U haven’t heard of the pushback from the public over COVID policies & the government’s countermeasures against that pushback. They basically ripped up The Charter of Freedoms & Rights & wiped their ass with it. The public is up in arms about it. I cite this as an illustrative analogy that we are far removed from being a bunch of bobbleheads that u think canadians are. Far from it.***
In fact, the very basis, the beginning, for scientific experimentation is questioning.
One reason I have learned so much in the past 4 years or so is that I don't believe something just because some "expert" says it and I have had to be open to being wrong and make adjustments.
***Well? Here’s a cookie for u. U are also allowed to draw conclusions from the available evidence in addition to questioning. Have an open mind but not so open yr brains fall out. U seem to be sacrosanct that Prof Don Easterbrook is the last word on meteorology. I think at age 61 with my life experiences that I’m capable of sorting it out & discerning facts with due diligence & temper them with intelligence. U seem to imply that u have an exclusive franchise on using yr rational faculties & metriculating facts.*** |
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 18, 2023 9:08:47 GMT
Don Easterbrook is a geologist, not meteorologist.
Meteorology is the study of weather, which is short term (temporal) and localized to an area, region, etc, of the Earth. Think of it as the "micro" view.
Climatology is the study of climate, which is long term to indefinite and expansive to beyond the Earth. Think of it as the "macro" view.
Geologists extract deep core samples as one way to study the climate history of Earth.
Explore that CO2 Coalition site linked above, you may enjoy it, especially the "Publications" and "Members".
You have not shared any empirical (absolute) evidence (proof) that the outbreak was caused by deadly spores except that someone declared it and you agreed with them because of your experience, but your experience is not empirical evidence, m8.
Doing experiments to identify living things and how they behave, using the John Enders toxic soup, cell culture isolate method is failure to prove. This was proven by John Enders himself, among others, in his control experiments.
Perhaps, if it is proven that the deaths were caused by deadly fungi spores, we could then hypothesize about the conditions that produced them or facilitated their growth and release ATT.
I have no real negative view of the identified nationality of anyone, so please stop assigning negative motives and thoughts to me, m8.
HERE is an article, "It's Easy To Be Fooled By A Climate Alarmist" by Gregory Wrightstone, geologist and Executive Director of the CO2 Coalition:
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Post by jonrock on Nov 19, 2023 22:28:58 GMT
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