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Post by moxohol on Oct 2, 2023 8:51:30 GMT
Not that anyone asked, but so far my money’s on Moxohol vs the meshugganeh Potatohead! 🧐 זה לא מה שקוראים לך, זה מה שקובע איך אתה עונה.
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 2, 2023 12:07:43 GMT
Both Dr Harold Hillman and Dr Stefan Lanka did the control experiment that was required to validate the original faked experiments. That's all they did; the required control experiment, which was omitted by the labcoats.
They did NOT do an additional experiment or a new experiment with a new hypothesis to try to validate some hypothesis of their own.They did the CONTROL experiment that is standard for scientific research ......... if one is actually a scientist .... they did what was required to qualify the original conclusions which the original medicalsystem homeboys ignored, cuz, you know, it wouldn't be money and fame otherwise.
In fact, shame on those numpties for not doing the control experiment in the first place. If they had, perhaps the world wouldn't be in the pickle it's in. How Scientists Identify a Virus www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/how-scientists-identify-virusRecent Trend in Artificial Intelligence-Assisted Biomedical Publishing: A Quantitative Bibliometric Analysis www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10277011/Study highlights the underrecognized contribution of viral pathogens to sepsis www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1003264Cleveland Clinic researchers identify novel host-based target against multiple mosquito-transmitted viruses www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/998651Unravelling the mystery that makes viruses infectious www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/688624Parasites of viruses drive superbug evolution www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/997690Chronic viral infections can have lasting effects on human immunity, similar to aging www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/840506Respiratory viral pathogens, quickly caught on-site! www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/625600 Except for the AI article which is irrelevant to this discussion, all of those references are nothing more than superstition until or unless a pathogenic "virus" is isolated and identified to do what they say. They can declare they did thus and so with "virus", but first, we all need to actually know it exists: isolate, identify and show it to be pathogenic. Their hypothesis remains completely unproven.THAT proof will never be accomplished digitally, in a computer cartoon land. It requires humans, using their hands and observing. Doing the experiment to prove their hypothesis is nothing compared to the importance of the control experiments that they ignored, failed to do. Not one of those references shows any method of isolation and identification. There are a few records of experiments that show the methods of "isolation" and "identification", but I doubt they want anyone who can think to see them since the methods they used did the OPPOSITE of isolation .... AND, no control experiment whatsoever to attempt to disprove their hypothesis.So, they've entered their imaginary, unproven, "virus" cgi cartoon into a digital database. What fun disneyfied entertainment! Not science though.The number one consideration for anyone doing experiments is to try to prove their hypothesis wrong with meaningful control experiments. In the case of "virus", Dr Lanka did the control experiment they should have done, which disproved their hypothesis.In the case of "ribosomes", Dr Hillman did the control experiment they should have done, which disproved their hypothesis.Yeah, it seems headed toward AI and controlling human proteins by means of the jabs ..... "RNAi" injections (see U Mass).Fear of the fantasy "virus" boogeyman, which has never been proven to exist, drives people toward the jab solution, but it's certainly not about improving their health.
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Post by bewildered on Oct 2, 2023 13:33:32 GMT
I was hoping for some unfamiliar, naughty words. Instead I got some weird thing between a Rabbi and a potato.
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Post by Rabbi Shlomo Goldbaum on Oct 2, 2023 20:08:36 GMT
Not that anyone asked, but so far my money’s on Moxohol vs the meshugganeh Potatohead! 🧐 זה לא מה שקוראים לך, זה מה שקובע איך אתה עונה.
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Post by moxohol on Oct 2, 2023 20:19:00 GMT
Dr Wanka & Hillman’s supposed experiments merely attempts to re-assign cell functions. It has not changed defined cellular biology at all. They have no peer reviewed papers published. Perhaps, I overlooked them somewhere posted in BMJ, Spandidos or MDPI journals? All of which are open publications, reputable & are considered progressive.
I can write a blog or rant on a podcast too on how I discovered a cureall for cancer. Alrighty.....then, I need to PUBLISH all my details of the protocols, methods & sources I used so others can evaluate & duplicate them. Call me stupid or ignorant but I’m seeing none of that applied here? All I see from Unkle Spuds is displayed, egotism, dogmatism, iconoclasm, a giggle & a tick? So what? I’m non-plussed by it.
Again, a comparitive anology: When COVID clot shot vaccinations were released for “compassionate use” a slew of prominent doctors & educated ppl popped out of the woodwork to question the validity & safety of them when young healthy athletes & commercial airline pilots started dropping dead like flies of cardiac arrests. The establishment & media counternarrative was “nothing to see here. Move along!”. We all knew it was bullshit because serious questions arose that refused to be answered.
On the flip side of the assertions above, I see no red flags or anyone stampeding to rally around your boys’ flag out of the innate brilliance of their ribosomal discoveries or any fundamental superseding questions about viruses. If they had any true insights or smarts they’d be writing about exosomes instead because they can enclose viral genomes and transfer them to susceptible cells, aiding viral spread and evading immunity infiltration. That’s how viruses evade detection - exosomes. Did u know that? Perhaps, that accounts for their lack of pathogenicity in yr purview in the 1st place but probably not.
I still have yet to find any peer reviewed papers published by Dr Wanka or Hillman about the redefined function of ribosomes. I only see written blogs by them or willing acolytes that give them a platform to rant from which I personally don’t buy into. The Irrefutable proofs u so stridently laud & announce as self evident because 2 bozos write they can’t know the unknowable, properly isolate or identify any pathogenic viruses. I simply retort that’s because they’re either utterly incompetent or can’t differentiate between an anal wart from a hemorrhoid even if they had a Grey’s Anatomy chart to follow by. I’ll sleep soundly making those wretched ad hominem attacks against them too. I worked as a certified lab tech that frequently consulted industry standard manuals like “The Virus Taxonomy, 5th Edition”, the “NCBI Bookshelf on Medical Microbiology” as a matter of course, or at least I had a supervising doctoral candidate lurking about. My related work background gave me the stupid idea about trying russian Bacteriophage Therapy as an option when they wanted to amputate my leg due to severe osteomyelitis when antibiotics weren’t cutting it. I shudder to think of the alternative of disbelieving viruses & their pathology. Hell? I could have gone the way of Steve Jobs, eh? (read his medical history. He fucked himself with disbelief & cancer until it was too late)
Let them rewrite cellular biology if they really believe in what they’re saying & possibly become that Nobel Prize laureate they secretly pine for?
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Post by jonrock on Oct 2, 2023 20:21:17 GMT
I have a feeling that this thread will end up being the ‘Thread Of All Threads’… 🤠 I'm sure if we work together, we can achieve the impossible.
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Post by jonrock on Oct 2, 2023 20:24:07 GMT
Not that anyone asked, but so far my money’s on Moxohol vs the meshugganeh Potatohead! 🧐 Yeah, bring it on! Mox's hard facts VS Potatohead's "scepticism!
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Post by moxohol on Oct 2, 2023 20:27:53 GMT
I have a feeling that this thread will end up being the ‘Thread Of All Threads’… 🤠 I'm sure if we work together, we can achieve the impossible.
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Post by jonrock on Oct 2, 2023 20:28:42 GMT
I'm sure if we work together, we can achieve the impossible. Si vis pacem, para bellum
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Post by moxohol on Oct 2, 2023 20:33:10 GMT
Si vis pacem, para bellum Aut inveniam viam aut faciam.
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Post by jonrock on Oct 2, 2023 20:37:50 GMT
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Post by moxohol on Oct 2, 2023 20:40:43 GMT
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 3, 2023 2:09:28 GMT
Dr Wanka & Hillman’s supposed experiments merely attempts to re-assign cell functions. It has not changed defined cellular biology at all. They have no peer reviewed papers published. Perhaps, I overlooked them somewhere posted in BMJ, Spandidos or MDPI journals? All of which are open publications, reputable & are considered progressive. I can write a blog or rant on a podcast too on how I discovered a cureall for cancer. Alrighty.....then, I need to PUBLISH all my details of the protocols, methods & sources I used so others can evaluate & duplicate them. Call me stupid or ignorant but I’m seeing none of that applied here? All I see from Unkle Spuds is displayed, egotism, dogmatism, iconoclasm, a giggle & a tick? So what? I’m non-plussed by it. Again, a comparitive anology: When COVID clot shot vaccinations were released for “compassionate use” a slew of prominent doctors & educated ppl popped out of the woodwork to question the validity & safety of them when young healthy athletes & commercial airline pilots started dropping dead like flies of cardiac arrests. The establishment & media counternarrative was “nothing to see here. Move along!”. We all knew it was bullshit because serious questions arose that refused to be answered. On the flip side of the assertions above, I see no red flags or anyone stampeding to rally around your boys’ flag out of the innate brilliance of their ribosomal discoveries or any fundamental superseding questions about viruses. If they had any true insights or smarts they’d be writing about exosomes instead because they can enclose viral genomes and transfer them to susceptible cells, aiding viral spread and evading immunity infiltration. That’s how viruses evade detection - exosomes. Did u know that? Perhaps, that accounts for their lack of pathogenicity in yr purview in the 1st place but probably not. I still have yet to find any peer reviewed papers published by Dr Wanka or Hillman about the redefined function of ribosomes. I only see written blogs by them or willing acolytes that give them a platform to rant from which I personally don’t buy into. The Irrefutable proofs u so stridently laud & announce as self evident because 2 bozos write they can’t know the unknowable, properly isolate or identify any pathogenic viruses. I simply retort that’s because they’re either utterly incompetent or can’t differentiate between an anal wart from a hemorrhoid even if they had a Grey’s Anatomy chart to follow by. I’ll sleep soundly making those wretched ad hominem attacks against them too. I worked as a certified lab tech that frequently consulted industry standard manuals like “The Virus Taxonomy, 5th Edition”, the “NCBI Bookshelf on Medical Microbiology” as a matter of course, or at least I had a supervising doctoral candidate lurking about. My related work background gave me the stupid idea about trying russian Bacteriophage Therapy as an option when they wanted to amputate my leg due to severe osteomyelitis when antibiotics weren’t cutting it. I shudder to think of the alternative of disbelieving viruses & their pathology. Hell? I could have gone the way of Steve Jobs, eh? (read his medical history. He fucked himself with disbelief & cancer until it was too late) Let them rewrite cellular biology if they really believe in what they’re saying & possibly become that Nobel Prize laureate they secretly pine for? If you have any understanding of science at all, you know what experiment controls are.As I posted above;No peer review needed.Just do the control part of the original experiment.Same experiment in all processes, methods, conditions and ingredients, EXCEPT no tissue to supply "virus" or "ribosome".If they get the same result (find "virus" or "ribosome"), they know the original experiment was a FAILURE to prove.
If they're too chicken to do the control experiment, they should just go home and eat cake.Maybe they love their paycheck more than their integrity? Maybe they're stupid numpties? Maybe they're evil? I don't know what the problem is, but they didn't do science before proclaiming "ribosomes" or "virus" and, as it now appears, a lot of other things.
But, let's keep going. I don't care about your labels, ad hominems, narrative spin, mocking and assignment of motive judgements. Nearly 4 years in ....... show proof. You know what that means and so do I.
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Post by moxohol on Oct 3, 2023 8:35:07 GMT
Dr Wanka & Hillman’s supposed experiments merely attempts to re-assign cell functions. It has not changed defined cellular biology at all. They have no peer reviewed papers published. Perhaps, I overlooked them somewhere posted in BMJ, Spandidos or MDPI journals? All of which are open publications, reputable & are considered progressive. I can write a blog or rant on a podcast too on how I discovered a cureall for cancer. Alrighty.....then, I need to PUBLISH all my details of the protocols, methods & sources I used so others can evaluate & duplicate them. Call me stupid or ignorant but I’m seeing none of that applied here? All I see from Unkle Spuds is displayed, egotism, dogmatism, iconoclasm, a giggle & a tick? So what? I’m non-plussed by it. Again, a comparitive anology: When COVID clot shot vaccinations were released for “compassionate use” a slew of prominent doctors & educated ppl popped out of the woodwork to question the validity & safety of them when young healthy athletes & commercial airline pilots started dropping dead like flies of cardiac arrests. The establishment & media counternarrative was “nothing to see here. Move along!”. We all knew it was bullshit because serious questions arose that refused to be answered. On the flip side of the assertions above, I see no red flags or anyone stampeding to rally around your boys’ flag out of the innate brilliance of their ribosomal discoveries or any fundamental superseding questions about viruses. If they had any true insights or smarts they’d be writing about exosomes instead because they can enclose viral genomes and transfer them to susceptible cells, aiding viral spread and evading immunity infiltration. That’s how viruses evade detection - exosomes. Did u know that? Perhaps, that accounts for their lack of pathogenicity in yr purview in the 1st place but probably not. I still have yet to find any peer reviewed papers published by Dr Wanka or Hillman about the redefined function of ribosomes. I only see written blogs by them or willing acolytes that give them a platform to rant from which I personally don’t buy into. The Irrefutable proofs u so stridently laud & announce as self evident because 2 bozos write they can’t know the unknowable, properly isolate or identify any pathogenic viruses. I simply retort that’s because they’re either utterly incompetent or can’t differentiate between an anal wart from a hemorrhoid even if they had a Grey’s Anatomy chart to follow by. I’ll sleep soundly making those wretched ad hominem attacks against them too. I worked as a certified lab tech that frequently consulted industry standard manuals like “The Virus Taxonomy, 5th Edition”, the “NCBI Bookshelf on Medical Microbiology” as a matter of course, or at least I had a supervising doctoral candidate lurking about. My related work background gave me the stupid idea about trying russian Bacteriophage Therapy as an option when they wanted to amputate my leg due to severe osteomyelitis when antibiotics weren’t cutting it. I shudder to think of the alternative of disbelieving viruses & their pathology. Hell? I could have gone the way of Steve Jobs, eh? (read his medical history. He fucked himself with disbelief & cancer until it was too late) Let them rewrite cellular biology if they really believe in what they’re saying & possibly become that Nobel Prize laureate they secretly pine for? If you have any understanding of science at all, you know what experiment controls are.As I posted above;No peer review needed.Just do the control part of the original experiment.Same experiment in all processes, methods, conditions and ingredients, EXCEPT no tissue to supply "virus" or "ribosome".If they get the same result (find "virus" or "ribosome"), they know the original experiment was a FAILURE to prove.
If they're too chicken to do the control experiment, they should just go home and eat cake.Maybe they love their paycheck more than their integrity? Maybe they're stupid numpties? Maybe they're evil? I don't know what the problem is, but they didn't do science before proclaiming "ribosomes" or "virus" and, as it now appears, a lot of other things.
But, let's keep going. I don't care about your labels, ad hominems, narrative spin, mocking and assignment of motive judgements. Nearly 4 years in ....... show proof. You know what that means and so do I. Dr Hillman wrote extensively on the structure of living cells and the limitations of microscopy techniques. He’s NEVER conducted any personal experiments that conclusively prove that ribosomes are not involved in protein synthesis. All he did was QUESTION the belief that "ribosomal" activity is protein synthesis in ribosomes by publishing a book entitled, "The Living Cell: A Re-examination of Its Fine Structure," which he co-authored with Peter Sartory, Hillman simply discussed the IDEA that ribosomes may not be not be involved in protein synthesis & he kept teaching those observations until he was forced into retirement in 1989 because he STILL didn’t have any conclusive proof to back up his opinion after 15y time. He wasn’t bestowed with any honors or elevated to higher academic positions because of his trailblazing findings. He was an associate professor for 25 years. Dr Hillman’s field of expertise was neurobiology in execution & he staked his whole career on artifacts he saw under a microscope that proved in his mind about the function of ribosomes. This epiphany happened when he published his book in 1974. In all that time NOT ONE person in microbiology has come forward to champion his THEORY save his co-author nor has anyone proven anything about the changed role of ribosomal protein synthesis function. That’s a fact. The pivotal controversy with this guy as far as I can tell was morphology. Structures seen under a microscope. He took inferences from artifacts he saw by stating it changed the function. No one else has confirmed it albeit it’s only ONE theory. It hasn’t changed mRNA technology because ribosomes are still essential for protein synthesis, as they are responsible for translating the genetic code transcribed in mRNA into an amino acid sequence. According to Dr Hillman that can’t happen but mRNA technology aka gene therapy is still chugging along just fine without his theories. Dr Stefan Lanka is a hack AND a quack. His observational theory about measles hasn’t changed virology nor how they are still classified or handled. Nada. Scientists identify viruses by isolating them from infected individuals, sequencing their genetic material, visualizing them through electron microscopy, and indirectly visualizing their effects on cells. This is extremely important aspect for gene therapies which use adenoviruses as vectors & gain of function research. Wuhan virus anyone?? The existence of viruses 1st came from experiments with filters that had pores small enough to retain bacteria back in 1892. The study of viruses actually started in botany (tobacco farming), and it took decades for scientific consensus to agree that they exist at all. That should pique yr interest to jump all over that statement. “AHA! See? PROOF!” Dr Langa & Hillman are so outside of mainstream science that no one bothers to take them seriously at all. They haven’t contributed anything of sustance that has radical changed lab procedures or changed any knowledge related to biotechnology. None. Believe me if something of true substance could elicit a change of direction or progress to the field of experimental biology they’d be all over that shit to see if they could squeeze or save more money from it but it hasn’t happened yet. All that’s transpired here thus far is an aimless unscientific proselytizing debate by Mr Spuds to show he’s right & I’m wrong. U are a contrarian simply for it’s own sake. At the very least, u could have used better examples other than discredited people like Dr Lanka & Hillman. Both gentlemen are a storm in a teacup. I strongly urge anyone to do a profile search on these 2 & see what they espoused & epistemological methods they used to draw their own conclusions. It wasn’t by personal experiments & publishing their results. I can tell u that with utmost confidence. Mr Spuds will still be the lone voice in the wilderness 4 years later. The rest of us will be toasting marshmallows & retiring to our log cabins!
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Post by jonrock on Oct 3, 2023 10:08:15 GMT
Magnus, enlighten us, please...or should we call the thought police upon him?
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