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Post by carlson on Jan 16, 2022 21:41:31 GMT
F**k! I've been duped! That michael messed with my melon and led me to believe this was a biceps thread! Well met, sir. You have done a number on me, I have embarrassed myself. I will try and redeem myself by falling back in line with this thread. ...so, Pamper, now that you have returned, have you any plans to head out to the backwoods and curl some heavy boughs?
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Post by Michael on Jan 16, 2022 21:46:06 GMT
Oh My Stomach ! Carlson You're the best.
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Post by Michael on Jan 16, 2022 21:50:09 GMT
F**k! I've been duped! That michael messed with my melon and led me to believe this was a biceps thread! Well met, sir. You have done a number on me, I have embarrassed myself. I will try and redeem myself by falling back in line with this thread. ...so, Pamper, now that you have returned, have you any plans to head out to the backwoods and curl some heavy boughs? Yes, I Win Again!
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Post by TexasRanger on Jan 16, 2022 21:58:03 GMT
All the best biceps I have seen, be it via magazine, videoscope, actual real life reality or in the murky and repugnant depths of carlson's fever dreams appear to have been built, or at the very least, honed with direct, isolatory biceps exercises. Compound exercises can indeed pack on the pounds and create a bloated, lumpy manmonster, but in actuality hit many of the individual muscles rather poorly. Think of our tinpot tree groper michael carrying half a lump of sycamore - if he hefts the damn thing on his lonesome, then he is indeed taking 100% of the weight. If he shares the load with his on-the-police-watchlist gang of deviant lumberjack malingerers, michael is now only taking a portion of the load. Same with the biceps during a compound such as chin ups - the biceps are prevented from taking much of the load by the powerful back muscles, so they never get fully worked. So goes it for benchpress, with the load spread through so many muscles, in a 200 pound lift, are the pecs actually lifting any more weight than they are using a pair of 50 pound dumbells in a set of flyes? So yes, you can work all the body with compounds and do pretty good thank you, but for extra size, development and strength, you really should sort yourself the f out and do some goddamn curls. The big problem with the "best biceps" are those lumps are typically the result of genetics and in modern times lots drugs. All of the falsehoods, lies and BS from the Weiders, Muscle Mag International were simply that. You do a 315lb bench and that load is nicely distributed based on point of the exercise. You drop your arms below parallel to the body and your prime movers become the anterior delts (which is why going down too far is not wise on any chest presses) and pec involvement is reduced; as you go to lock out, the triceps take over for more of the prime work. Hand placement also has an impact. What about the flies vs. pressing comparison. Well, different movments sports fans but the delts are still involved, heavily, as a stabilizer as are your biceps and triceps. And the idea of an "isolation" exercise simply that -- there's no such thing. The principles of Movement Arm when applied to kineseology proved this out decades ago -- debated with people about the fact you could get away with a partial ROM with push ups vs. the silly "Atlas" version for pec development. There was a very good drawing and citation that I'd posted on Portalguy's board showing where anything beyond a limited range engaged other muscles moreso than the pecs. A lot of pushback from the Atlas and Blow fans, but at the end of the day facts be facts. Sadly, Weider thought fades slowly...
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Post by carlson on Jan 16, 2022 22:11:02 GMT
All the best biceps I have seen, be it via magazine, videoscope, actual real life reality or in the murky and repugnant depths of carlson's fever dreams appear to have been built, or at the very least, honed with direct, isolatory biceps exercises. Compound exercises can indeed pack on the pounds and create a bloated, lumpy manmonster, but in actuality hit many of the individual muscles rather poorly. Think of our tinpot tree groper michael carrying half a lump of sycamore - if he hefts the damn thing on his lonesome, then he is indeed taking 100% of the weight. If he shares the load with his on-the-police-watchlist gang of deviant lumberjack malingerers, michael is now only taking a portion of the load. Same with the biceps during a compound such as chin ups - the biceps are prevented from taking much of the load by the powerful back muscles, so they never get fully worked. So goes it for benchpress, with the load spread through so many muscles, in a 200 pound lift, are the pecs actually lifting any more weight than they are using a pair of 50 pound dumbells in a set of flyes? So yes, you can work all the body with compounds and do pretty good thank you, but for extra size, development and strength, you really should sort yourself the f out and do some goddamn curls. The big problem with the "best biceps" are those lumps are typically the result of genetics and in modern times lots drugs. All of the falsehoods, lies and BS from the Weiders, Muscle Mag International were simply that. You do a 315lb bench and that load is nicely distributed based on point of the exercise. You drop your arms below parallel to the body and your prime movers become the anterior delts (which is why going down too far is not wise on any chest presses) and pec involvement is reduced; as you go to lock out, the triceps take over for more of the prime work. Hand placement also has an impact. What about the flies vs. pressing comparison. Well, different movments sports fans but the delts are still involved, heavily, as a stabilizer as are your biceps and triceps. And the idea of an "isolation" exercise simply that -- there's no such thing. The principles of Movement Arm when applied to kineseology proved this out decades ago -- debated with people about the fact you could get away with a partial ROM with push ups vs. the silly "Atlas" version for pec development. There was a very good drawing and citation that I'd posted on Portalguy's board showing where anything beyond a limited range engaged other muscles moreso than the pecs. A lot of pushback from the Atlas and Blow fans, but at the end of the day facts be facts. Sadly, Weider thought fades slowly... In English, son, in English.
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Post by carlson on Jan 16, 2022 22:13:21 GMT
Jeez, I think that texasromper bloke may be the most cleverest man I have ever encountered (and I once met Leonardo Nimoy).
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Post by carlson on Jan 16, 2022 22:16:20 GMT
F**k! I've been duped! That michael messed with my melon and led me to believe this was a biceps thread! Well met, sir. You have done a number on me, I have embarrassed myself. I will try and redeem myself by falling back in line with this thread. ...so, Pamper, now that you have returned, have you any plans to head out to the backwoods and curl some heavy boughs? Yes, I Win Again! I did not stand a chance, o Tom Bombadillo, you folk poetical all powerful crackpot coppiced sorcerer, you
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Post by TexasRanger on Jan 16, 2022 22:23:40 GMT
Jeez, I think that texasromper bloke may be the most cleverest man I have ever encountered (and I once met Leonardo Nimoy). Kewl. But what about Nicelle Nichols?
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Post by TexasRanger on Jan 16, 2022 22:24:30 GMT
In English, son, in English. I'm Texan. Best I can do.
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Post by carlson on Jan 16, 2022 22:49:02 GMT
Jeez, I think that texasromper bloke may be the most cleverest man I have ever encountered (and I once met Leonardo Nimoy). Kewl. But what about Nicelle Nichols? Never heard of the man.
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Post by carlson on Jan 17, 2022 7:04:04 GMT
Tescorapper, I will takexmy comments to the biceps thread.
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