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May 7, 2018 2:59:19 GMT
Post by Bruce Tackett on May 7, 2018 2:59:19 GMT
No, some people actually know they've made gains because they fucking DO IT. Some people don't live by dogma and authorities and studies. Some of us actually put in the time and effort and DO IT. You're probably right. What was I thinking? It should be obvious to anyone who has seen whiffet that he has no fucking clue what the fuck he's talking about, lives by dogma, authorities & studies, doesn't DO SHIT and never has put any time or effort into building muscle. I wasn't goddam talking about whiffet.
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May 7, 2018 4:17:42 GMT
Post by mr potatohead on May 7, 2018 4:17:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 6:34:10 GMT
Here's natural bodybuilder Ian Duckett talking about the muscle loss that occurs during the fat loss process. Scroll down to the tissue loss bit. If you're dieting down you'll definitely be losing some actual muscle tissue. How much depends on genetics. oldbutstrong.co.uk/nutrition/total-stage-prep-manual-chapters-one-twoAgain I emphasise Bruce's pumping routine is good. Back in the classic era, Harry's Paschall wrote a whole book based on those type of routines called Muscle Moulding. I use them myself as they put a great finishing touch to everything. If you're lean you'll look fuller, more vascular. So I'm not knocking the routine. All I'm pointing out is that after a a few weeks training on it, the sudden noticeable size increase while in a calorie deficit won't be lean muscle tissue. You get a similar thing from Sandow's light dumbbell routine. In fact, Stuart McRobert noticed you can do a similar thing in just 24 hours. Basically I recall you just pump them up every 30 mins for an entire day. When you measure your arms the next day they'll be up to an inch bigger.
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May 7, 2018 16:23:41 GMT
Post by Bruce Tackett on May 7, 2018 16:23:41 GMT
whiffties, you talk about pumping muscle and building muscle as though they are two different things. They're not. Every time you do any sort of muscle building exercise you are breaking down muscle cells, and then during the recovery period, blood rushes into those damaged cells repairing them and making them bigger and stronger than they were.
It's like when I get hit with (and, BTW, I have never ever criticized anyone's type of exercising. As far as I'm concerned, anything anyone does that contributes to their health and realizes their goals is just fine with me) "Oh. You're working out for size? How shallow. You should be training for health and for strength." News Flash! The three are NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE! Every time I go through my routine I am contributing to my health and building strength. What the hell do you think Progressive Resistance is?
Oh, whatever......you've got your authorities, I have my tape and scale. We'll just leave it at that.
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May 7, 2018 16:39:44 GMT
Post by Mr Average on May 7, 2018 16:39:44 GMT
What Arnie said “ONE HINT I CAN GIVE IS NOT TO ‘BULK UP,’ OR LET YOURSELF PUT ON A LOT OF EXTRA FAT WEIGHT DURING YOUR TRAINING THAT WILL ONLY HAVE TO BE DIETED OFF FOR THE CONTEST. BODYBUILDERS ARE APT TO DO THIS BECAUSE BEING HEAVIER MAKES THEM FEEL BIGGER, BUT THIS IS AN ILLUSION— THAT EXTRA WEIGHT IS NOT WORKING MUSCLE AND IT DOES THEM NO GOOD WHATSOEVER.”
generationiron.com/arnold-schwarzenegger-urges-you-to-avoid-bulking-during-the-off-season/
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May 7, 2018 17:10:33 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 17:10:33 GMT
The below is an article by Stuart McRobert on how to gain 2 inches on the arms. I'm sure that deep down everyone knows he's speaking the truth. To summarise it: 1. Get much stronger; 2. Increase your bodyweight by 30 pounds. Anything else is just looking for a secret that doesn't exist. The pumping stuff will add a finishing touch, but first you've got to build the raw size as set out below. Obviously when he talks about arm size below he's talking about a lean and defined arm.
Big Arms
To get big arms, get yourself on a basic program that focuses on the leg, hip and back structure without neglecting the arms themselves. As you improve your squatting ability, for reps and by say 100 pounds, your curling poundage should readily come up by 30 pounds or so if you work hard enough on your curls. This will add size to your biceps. While adding 100 pounds to your squat, you should be able to add 50-70 pounds to your bench press, for reps. This assumes you've put together a sound program and have worked hard on the bench. That will add size to your triceps.
If you're desperate to add a couple of inches to your upper arms you'll need to add 30 pounds or more over your body, unless your arms are way behind the rest of you. Don't start thinking about 17 inch arms, or even 16 inch arms so long as your bodyweight is 130, 140, 150, 160, or even 170 pounds. Few people can get big arms without having a big body. You're unlikely to be one of the exceptions.
15 sets of arm flexor exercises, and 15 sets of isolation tricep exercises?with a few squats, deadlifts and bench presses thrown in as an afterthought will give you a great pump and attack the arms from all angles. However, it won't make your arms grow much, if at all, unless you're already squatting and benching big poundages, or are drug-assisted or genetically gifted.
As your main structures come along in size and strength (thigh, hip and back structure, and the pressing structure), the directly involved smaller body parts are brought along in size too. How can you bench press or dip impressive poundages without adding a lot of size to your triceps? How can you deadlift the house and row big weights without having the arm flexors -- not to mention the shoulders and upper back to go with those lifts. How can you squat close to 2 times bodyweight, for plenty of reps, without having a lot of muscle all over your body?
The greater the development and strength of the main muscular structures of the body, the greater the size and strength potential of the small areas of the body. Think it through. Suppose you can only squat and deadlift with 200 pounds, and your arms measure about 13. You're unlikely to add any more than half an inch or so on them, no matter how much arm specialization you put in.
However, put some real effort into the squat and deadlift, together with the bench press and a few other major basic movements. Build up the poundages by 50% or more, to the point where you can squat 300 pounds for over 10 reps, and pack on 30 pounds of muscle. Then, unless you have an unusual arm structure, you should be able to get your arms to around 16. If you want 17 arms, plan on having to squat more than a few reps with around 2 times bodyweight, and on adding many more pounds of muscle throughout your body (unless you have a better-than-average growth potential in your upper arms).
All of this arm development would have been achieved without a single concentration curl, without a single pushdown and without a single preacher curl. This lesson in priorities proves that the shortest distance between you and big arms is not a straight line to a curl bar.
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May 7, 2018 17:22:18 GMT
Post by Michael on May 7, 2018 17:22:18 GMT
whiffties, you talk about pumping muscle and building muscle as though they are two different things. They're not. Every time you do any sort of muscle building exercise you are breaking down muscle cells, and then during the recovery period, blood rushes into those damaged cells repairing them and making them bigger and stronger than they were. It's like when I get hit with (and, BTW, I have never ever criticized anyone's type of exercising. As far as I'm concerned, anything anyone does that contributes to their health and realizes their goals is just fine with me) "Oh. You're working out for size? How shallow. You should be training for health and for strength." News Flash! The three are NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE! Every time I go through my routine I am contributing to my health and building strength. What the hell do you think Progressive Resistance is? Oh, whatever......you've got your authorities, I have my tape and scale. We'll just leave it at that. The second paragraph I'm of the same opinion.
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May 7, 2018 17:40:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 17:40:33 GMT
Bruciepie, to emphasise again, I think your routine is a perfectly sound routine. My point is simply that Jackrow will have gained little to zero muscle doing it over such a short period of time while on a calorie deficit. That's why they immediately shrank despite doing a very intense Darden routine. Unless he's a total noob he almost certainly gained no muscle owing to the calorie deficit,
Im sure someone could gain muscle doing it over a year while eating a small calorie surplus. But gaining an actual inch of muscle tissue will require around 15 pounds of muscle over his entire frame, which means adding plenty of weight to the big basics.
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May 7, 2018 17:52:44 GMT
Post by Bruce Tackett on May 7, 2018 17:52:44 GMT
Maybe, just maybe, Jackie lost size because the Darden routine isn't as effective as mine. I'm sure that if he had continued with my routine, the gains would have kept coming.
At any rate, what I think is moot. Got that, Jackie? From an expert - all that hard work you put in was all for naught. Give it up. Don't even try. It was just a water-filled illusion. It's a losing, hopeless venture. It'll take years to put on even the semblance of any real muscle. So, just pack it in and don't even try.
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May 7, 2018 18:58:16 GMT
Post by countryboy on May 7, 2018 18:58:16 GMT
Sometimes it is necessary just to agree to disagree. Regarding who is right or wrong, remember the bumble bee...aerodynamically he cannot fly...but nobody told him so he flies anyway. Sometimes in a debate, both parties can be right, and as I read over at the Macho Man forum a couple years ago....WHO CARFS ANYWAY?
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May 7, 2018 19:09:11 GMT
Post by Bruce Tackett on May 7, 2018 19:09:11 GMT
Sometimes it is necessary just to agree to disagree. Regarding who is right or wrong, remember the bumble bee...aerodynamically he cannot fly...but nobody told him so he flies anyway. Sometimes in a debate, both parties can be right, and as I read over at the Macho Man forum a couple years ago....WHO CARFS ANYWAY? Ya know, that's the problem with the world today. Not enough people carf. I mean, really carf.
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May 7, 2018 19:23:25 GMT
Post by Michael on May 7, 2018 19:23:25 GMT
Bruciepie, to emphasise again, I think your routine is a perfectly sound routine. My point is simply that Jackrow will have gained little to zero muscle doing it over such a short period of time while on a calorie deficit. That's why they immediately shrank despite doing a very intense Darden routine. Unless he's a total noob he almost certainly gained no muscle owing to the calorie deficit, Im sure someone could gain muscle doing it over a year while eating a small calorie surplus. But gaining an actual inch of muscle tissue will require around 15 pounds of muscle over his entire frame, which means adding plenty of weight to the big basics. I understand everything You're say Whiffet. I wasn't really on a calorie deficit, atleast I don't think, neither was I on a surplus. Although I didn't mention this stuff before I'll mention it now. On Bruce's routine I started out weighing 176lbs. The only real changes I made was I cleaned up my diet and started using an elliptical 3 days a week. I have an app on my phone where I keep track of my calories for the past 4 to 5 months. Now with these apps You can put in Your goal weight which I put 165 lbs. Now when You put in a goal weight the calories are kind of high atleast for me. The calorie goal was 2000 or 1900 something, can't remember exactlly. Now because I have experimented with this I know. If I eat those recommended calories I'll gain weight, that's why I went up to 176lbs. For some reason anything above 1700 calories I can put on weight. With Bruce's routine I was in between 1700 and 1800 calories. I lost 6 lbs the first week but after that I stayed at 170lbs. The two weeks on the Darden routine I stayed the say weight without any change in my calories. I don't know if that's a calorie deficit to You guys, according to the app it probably is.
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May 7, 2018 20:00:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 20:00:19 GMT
If you lost ten pounds you were on a calorie deficit!
How much do you bench or dip. Do you know your max deadlift or squat?
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May 7, 2018 20:29:35 GMT
Post by mr potatohead on May 7, 2018 20:29:35 GMT
Training successful athletes for 39 years (now @ 2018), Charles Poliquin speaks from the perspective of his own experience and observations of what works and what doesn't:
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May 7, 2018 20:32:05 GMT
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Post by Michael on May 7, 2018 20:32:05 GMT
I appologise I put 180lbs but it was 176lbs, just changed it. So I lost 6 pounds the first week of Bruce's routine. I cut out the junk but the calories were the same.
I haven't benched or squated with a bar since about 2006. So I haven't any idea. I prefer Dips and push ups to benching. I only have two Kettlebells and dumbbells up to 20 lbs. Squatting with weight bothers my MCLs on both knees. I prefer the Stuff the is in the Get Strong book by the Kavalodo's for legs.
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