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Post by moxohol on Oct 16, 2021 6:53:57 GMT
My comments were directed at Unkle Spuds & his "walk in the woods" thesis. Ur singing to the choir here gramps! Thank fuck someone here has some sense of history. Gramps out. I am ornery but not in this case.
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 16, 2021 13:50:07 GMT
There's no comparison. Hitler swayed the masses & enticed a majority to do all manner of horrible things in support of his policies. Pol Pot is another example. So no: your comparison is misplaced & trite. Extremism is extremism wherever it is. America's had its share of violence and "Nationalism" both at home and around the world at least since WW2. Take a look at the 20's - 30's American eugenics movement and how they and American industry supported Hitler's agenda. IBM and its Hollerith machines, Henry Ford, etc. Then take another look at CIA Regime Change records around the world, the torture centres set up by America etc etc. Then examine MKUltra and other unethical experiments on America's own citizens and the sordid record speaks for itself re doing "horrible things". As for crowds, it's well-known that when you've got the crowd in the palm of your hand, you can make them do almost anything. You can get them to riot with just a few extra words. Jan 6 is an example of people incensed by Trump to go and "take back America" or something of that nature, as many of the rioters stated when arrested and asked why they did it. Yeah, you've not spent much time near a woods. Trite maybe, but it depends on where you spend your time. There are dangers everywhere. That's life. I don't spend time in protesting crowds or angry mobs. I do live on property with lots of trees and only need to hear it to know what has happened, it is so common.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Oct 16, 2021 19:38:23 GMT
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Post by macky on Oct 16, 2021 20:18:41 GMT
Extremism is extremism wherever it is. America's had its share of violence and "Nationalism" both at home and around the world at least since WW2. Take a look at the 20's - 30's American eugenics movement and how they and American industry supported Hitler's agenda. IBM and its Hollerith machines, Henry Ford, etc. Then take another look at CIA Regime Change records around the world, the torture centres set up by America etc etc. Then examine MKUltra and other unethical experiments on America's own citizens and the sordid record speaks for itself re doing "horrible things". As for crowds, it's well-known that when you've got the crowd in the palm of your hand, you can make them do almost anything. You can get them to riot with just a few extra words. Jan 6 is an example of people incensed by Trump to go and "take back America" or something of that nature, as many of the rioters stated when arrested and asked why they did it. Yeah, you've not spent much time near a woods. Not that you would know, either way. In fact much of my daily life was wagging school in the last years of my "education" and spending it in bushland only a half-mile away. Tramping/hiking in the near mountains from Wellington over ranges that were covered in "woods" i.e. dense bush. And what dangers in the woods have to do with the way crowds can be made to perform, transmitting their riotous vibes from one to another, escapes me.
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 17, 2021 12:13:21 GMT
Yeah, you've not spent much time near a woods. Not that you would know, either way. In fact much of my daily life was wagging school in the last years of my "education" and spending it in bushland only a half-mile away. Tramping/hiking in the near mountains from Wellington over ranges that were covered in "woods" i.e. dense bush. And what dangers in the woods have to do with the way crowds can be made to perform, transmitting their riotous vibes from one to another, escapes me. Not that I need to know either. Like I said in that post, "There are dangers everywhere. That's life.".
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Post by macky on Oct 17, 2021 19:15:41 GMT
Not that you would know, either way. In fact much of my daily life was wagging school in the last years of my "education" and spending it in bushland only a half-mile away. Tramping/hiking in the near mountains from Wellington over ranges that were covered in "woods" i.e. dense bush. And what dangers in the woods have to do with the way crowds can be made to perform, transmitting their riotous vibes from one to another, escapes me. Not that I need to know either. Like I said in that post, "There are dangers everywhere. That's life.". I think we all know that. I was talking specifically about crowds, not the woods.
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 17, 2021 22:44:13 GMT
Not that I need to know either. Like I said in that post, "There are dangers everywhere. That's life.". I think we all know that. I was talking specifically about crowds, not the woods. I think we all know that. I was saying that there are dangers in both. Crowds are dangerous at the best of times, walking in the woods is dangerous at the best of times. That's life. I thought it was a funny comment. I guess it twisted you up?
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Post by macky on Oct 17, 2021 22:49:24 GMT
"........walking in the woods is dangerous at the best of times."
I go back to what I said in the first place. "Depends on where you live". Is that enough "circular logic" for today?
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 18, 2021 3:40:33 GMT
"........walking in the woods is dangerous at the best of times." I go back to what I said in the first place. " Depends on where you live". Is that enough "circular logic" for today? I guess different woods could have different varieties of trees, some more likely to drop limbs than others. I'm thinking of the tree varieties that grow around me, just as crowd temperament depends on where you live also. Lots of even-tempered, good-old-boy-farmer-livestock types around me, so not much danger in that crowd. Anyway, why stop now when we're having so much fun, m8?
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Post by macky on Oct 18, 2021 5:43:51 GMT
Okay, sure.
"Lots of even-tempered, good-old-boy-farmer-livestock types around me, so not much danger in that crowd."
Even tempered until things get political, no doubt. ANY crowd can be a danger, with the right triggers. American crowds have proven to be unruly and violent, no matter whether they are Trump's Chumps or Biden's Boof-heads, for two examples.
Enough of the "good-ol-boys drinking whisky and rye" and you've got yourself a powder keg ready to explode. The Jan 6 crowd certainly reacted to the "right triggers" a la Trump's incitement and responsibility.
The arrested certainly came from all backgrounds. Military, ex-military, police both serving and ex, old farts with no more sense than the average herd cattle, "ordinary" rally-goers, QAnonense followers, law-makers, executives, agents provocateur etc etc .
No crowd is exempt from incitement. None. And incitement carries the threat of danger.
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