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Post by macky on Sept 10, 2021 2:47:00 GMT
Macky the tone of your last post makes it seem that all these ultra-wealthy PTB people as you like to call them are stuffing all their wealth in a mattress where it's not used for economic purposes... You posted some eloquent stuff over the years and this I appreciate but rhetoric without facts or a detailed proposal on how to change the system that you judge benefits this mythical PTB class is just rhetoric, much like what a politician spews. Under your mythical leadership, what specific changes would you make? I've come to the conclusion that Macky's political philosophy is in a class of it's own; a mixture of 'Utopian Socialist' combined with 'Democratic Socialist' with perhaps a sprinkling of 'Libertarian Socialist' to spice it up... all that and he won't shy away from a good conspiracy theory if there's one brewing Political and religious, racial and other labels only serve ultimately to divide and "identify" the opposition, even if the opposition doesn't exist in reality. It's only a trick of the PTB to get you scrapping at the street level, while they carry on funding both "sides". It's an illusion, a facade presented to keep The People occupied while the Elitists/PTB carry on business as usual in their "higher orders". Please let me know of any conspiracy theory that I've ever endorsed, or even just entertained, Mags m8. I would be interested to know, since I've only pulled apart the Official Govt stories using govt info and files as proof.
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Post by Magnus on Sept 10, 2021 3:09:22 GMT
I've come to the conclusion that Macky's political philosophy is in a class of it's own; a mixture of 'Utopian Socialist' combined with 'Democratic Socialist' with perhaps a sprinkling of 'Libertarian Socialist' to spice it up... all that and he won't shy away from a good conspiracy theory if there's one brewing Please let me know of any conspiracy theory that I've ever endorsed, or even just entertained, Mags m8. I would be interested to know, since I've only pulled apart the Official Govt stories using govt info and files as proof. Just know that I don't mean that negatively, today's 'conspiracy theory' can possibly become tomorrows truth...
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Post by macky on Sept 10, 2021 3:12:50 GMT
Macky the tone of your last post makes it seem that all these ultra-wealthy PTB people as you like to call them are stuffing all their wealth in a mattress where it's not used for economic purposes. Nothing could be further from the truth. Whereas the little guy might use his under the table money to buy groceries and clothes for the kids, the ultra wealthy invest their money in real estate or the stock market and there's equal good in that. Unfortunately, USA tax law doesn't make a distinction by socio-economic class that makes tax evasion any less of a crime for the small guy as it is for the big guy. You posted some eloquent stuff over the years and this I appreciate but rhetoric without facts or a detailed proposal on how to change the system that you judge benefits this mythical PTB class is just rhetoric, much like what a politician spews. Under your mythical leadership, what specific changes would you make? The ultra-wealthy are not only mattressing their money, they are also busy buying up land and taking up major shareholdings in as many companies as possible, both from a financial and asset position. That consolidates their power over the smaller companies and increases their personal influences (read: world view) and the more land they own, the more power since everybody needs land in one measure or another. US tax law works both ways. By keeping the same level for everyone, it relegates a mere folding-worker to the status of implied serious criminal, (tax-dodger!) and diminishes the Super-rich offences, "since everyone else is doing it". It's reverse class-distinction. If you believe that someone like Bill Gates doesn't influence the WHO or the CDC, with his massive donations, (therefore one of the PTB) then you have been living in a well-kept office where expert accounting and advice has been served to loyal customers by an honest accountant who helps out at Church, and charities, on that admirable level, and that's it. For a very long time. Tell me that the FedRes governors are not part of the PTB. And why. Let me know if Henry (Heinz) Kissinger wasn't part of the PTB that spirited Nazi war criminals over to America (the home of modern Eugenics) post WW2. How about Allan Dulles, head of the first CIA, who initiated MKUltra and who clearly stated that no American company would ever face prosecution for their part in aiding the Nazis before and during WW2. Wall St bankers who hold the whip hand on govt policies in many areas. Any billionaire who owns multiple companies and who has 'friends in high places' including US govt. All outside any democratic vote by The People, and part of the PTB (Powers That Be) that have successive govts (Red or Blue) in their pockets. Mythical ? Not true ?
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Post by Magnus on Sept 10, 2021 3:24:57 GMT
The "level that I'm operating" is 100% LEGAL AMERICAN hard working middle class tax paying citizen, and YES it's the fault of the 'leftist' liberal policies that allow the abuses to go on. Sorry Macky, but the "PTB" thing you keep mentioning is just a defeatist excuse... You should know by now that laws are only for The People to abide by, not the PTB elitists. And despite all that's wrong in America has been going on for successive Rep/Dem govts, you still immerse yourself in political street fighting instead of addressing the real problems i.e. increasing wealth disparity, govt (whoever they are) corruption, and global terrorism of the medical kind. Said govt corruption coming by way of laws that let Trump go scot free when a clear majority voted for his conviction for insurrection. Was Trump's behaviour "leftist"? Why shouldn't he be facing jail time like over 500 of his supporters are now ? And you say that the PTB thing is defeatist ? It's plain that the Big Boys get laws in their favour that don't apply to you and me. That's not Left or Liberal. It's fascist, if you want to put a label on it. As to your first point the country was doing a whole lot better in so many ways under Trump then under 'China Joe', and second the "insurrection" is just more witch hunt bogus bullshit from the leftist anti-American crybabies headed by Schumer and Pelosi. Didn't you look at all of the evidence for yourself ?... and you still somehow concluded that Trump was in any way at fault for what happened ?... If you really did conclude that Trump was at fault after reviewing their 'evidence' (or severe lack thereof), then we'll never see eye to eye on politics and law.
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Post by macky on Sept 10, 2021 3:37:36 GMT
Please let me know of any conspiracy theory that I've ever endorsed, or even just entertained, Mags m8. I would be interested to know, since I've only pulled apart the Official Govt stories using govt info and files as proof. Just know that I don't mean that negatively, today's 'conspiracy theory' can possibly become tomorrows truth... I know that Mags. We are having a discussion, not a raging argument. All good. You're right of course re conspiracy theory. These days, the MSM have done a good job of a genuine conspiracy theorist with even some solid evidence, to be labelled as a tinfoil hatter, no matter how good the evidence is. As an example of my research, (and steering away from 9/11 at this time out of respect) I never proposed any conspiracy theory as per whether the broadcast about Russian-suppressed early Cosmonaut fatalities in their first manned orbits in space were true or not. Skeptoid in its stated mandate as a science-based skeptical site nevertheless always ran the Official Story on anything of modern importance, and simply gave some interesting background but as always took the view that the Russians never had manned space missions until the ones we all "know" about, Yuri Gagarin etc. Skeptoid then backed up its assertions with the "observation" that Russia never had any vehicle of sufficient size to accommodate a man/woman. After some research, I simply presented evidence that the Russians DID have such vehicles at the time these alleged "tragedies" were supposed to be happening, and that was followed by silence. My only speculation for why both Russia and America may have kept quiet about them is because of The People i.e. satellites were a source of wonder, orbiting "out there" in space, and the public outcry when animals started to be carried on board for one-way trips. If it had been "known" that cosmonauts were being lost in such a lonely death in space, the funding for the American space program might well have dried up too.
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Post by Magnus on Sept 10, 2021 3:38:21 GMT
*Getting back to the liability coverage thing for a second, everyone needs to realize that most 'homeowners' don't really own their homes, the bank that's holding the mortgage does, so regardless of what any homeowner tells you or any deals you make with them beforehand, if God forbid something 'unusual' happens while you're doing work for them on the premises, and you don't have proper liability coverage, you may not get sued by the 'homeowner' but if the damage is severe enough the bank that holds the mortgage on the property and/or the 'homeowners' insurance company is going to rake you through the coals...
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Post by Magnus on Sept 10, 2021 3:40:08 GMT
Just know that I don't mean that negatively, today's 'conspiracy theory' can possibly become tomorrows truth... I know that Mags. We are having a discussion, not a raging argument. All good. Yes...
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Post by macky on Sept 10, 2021 5:09:59 GMT
As to your first point the country was doing a whole lot better in so many ways under Trump then under 'China Joe', and second the "insurrection" is just more witch hunt bogus bullshit from the leftist anti-American crybabies headed by Schumer and Pelosi. Didn't you look at all of the evidence for yourself ?... and you still somehow concluded that Trump was in any way at fault for what happened ?... If you really did conclude that Trump was at fault after reviewing their 'evidence' (or severe lack thereof), then we'll never see eye to eye on politics and law. The country only appeared to be doing better because it was "borrowing", just like Trump's failed casino's because his borrowings for them were not matched by income, therefore each casino filed for bankruptcy. And it happened again and again because Trump has a world view that is not matched by reality. He blamed the economy for the failures, even when other casino's in the area were doing all right. He could never be wrong himself, of course. So it was with the US total debt that increased by ten trillion dollars during his term. Overall, whatever was doing better was on the back of increased massive debt. It's a facade. I think you and I (and the world) have been watching different people. I don't know what kind of a spell Trump seems to have over you, but to us on-lookers, he's not all there. He proved it time and time again that he's mentally and emotionally deficient. His one talent is that he can talk up enthusiasm with absolutely nothing to back it up. That's why I asked for script of the rally you posted the video of, so that I could try and find something that was solid evidence for all the baying crowd cheering and clapping. Because of all the other scripts of his rallies that I've read, some right through, Trump never says anything of specific value, only unproven ethereal vague statements, repeated for effect, that's all. He missed his true calling. Should have been a American TV evangelist. They're cracked, too. World politics especially is as much (or more) about appearances than substance. The People gravitate to someone who gives them hope, who presents a resolute image of decisiveness, and most importantly, who knows how to behave. Trump proved his emotional age of 13 in his first debate with Biden. What a shambolic display of high-chair tantrums. Straight after that, I watched the emigration application figures go up dramatically of Americans wanting to get out of the country, so dismayed they were even just by the prospect of Trump getting another term in office. Time and time again he's proven he's mentally unstable by his utterances and behaviour. He angered military leaders and security by his close association with Putin (who you like too). Putin wound Trump around his little finger, another reason for Russian interference in the 2016 elections that got Trump in. Russia didn't want anyone of intelligence becoming president if they could help it. Trump was their man. And if China has anything to do with either Trump or Biden, the US is under China AND Russia's thumbs. America depends on around 30 critical metals supplied by China and about a dozen from Russia for its industries. Note I said "critical" not "necessary" or "essential". That is a just one indication of the powerhouse China has become, partly at the hands of The Traitors that run America, that own which ever govt is in, and which stop America from what it used to do. Plunder other countries since the second world war. China's doing it now, and Russian influence with its 85 billionaires of its own, is also having a large effect on the US with that weasel, "Moscow Mitch" McConnell (Republican) both in China's and Russia's pockets. Re the Jan 6 riots, if you think that Trump didn't have anything to do with it, then have you sent emails or letters to Nancy detailing that ? The vote was 57 vs 43 to convict, remember ? I've said that several times. And some of those 57 were Republicans. The only reason why Trump wasn't convicted was because Weasel McConnell, the greatest traitor in govt in current times, dragged other Republicans with him, and that did the trick of letting the criminal off the hook. Then McConnell treats the horrified world audience to a disgraceful display of two-faced treason by coming straight out after the vote and lambasting Trump to the whole world, blaming him for all the trouble. I saw it with my own eyes. So if you think that the whole "insurrection thing" is just some leftist anti-american bullshit, Mags you better report to the Republicans and explain it all to them, because they are the ones that blocked a proper enquiry into the whole thing. Not the sad lefties. Btw the evidence stands as read, and demonstrated by the vote, and by McConnell's statement after. It stands re 500+ rioters (not all Trump supporters but mostly) being charged by the FBI for various offences, by many of them stating they were "sent" by Trump, and the resulting convictions which have now started over the last six weeks to trickle out. Who in the world list of countries outside of some hick "republic" in Africa has a leader that supports such an outrageous piece of nonsense like QAnon ? Well Trump does. And another crackpot called Marjorie Greene, whose sanity is in the shade, another QAnon supporter, going on about vaccinators calling around to houses with genuine (but misplaced concern for the people) should be shot. What do you think all this looks like to other countries around the world when they see all this human disaster going on in the places of power of the (once) most powerful nation in the world ? An aged president fumbling his way through the day trying not to fall asleep before nightfall, trying to patch up allies' relationships with America that Trump destroyed just by being Trump ? The vice president nearly invisible. "Left" or "right", America has not been well-served by elected officials, which ever way you want to look at it.
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Post by macky on Sept 10, 2021 5:17:05 GMT
*Getting back to the liability coverage thing for a second, everyone needs to realize that most 'homeowners' don't really own their homes, the bank that's holding the mortgage does, so regardless of what any homeowner tells you or any deals you make with them beforehand, if God forbid something 'unusual' happens while you're doing work for them on the premises, and you don't have proper liability coverage, you may not get sued by the 'homeowner' but if the damage is severe enough the bank that holds the mortgage on the property and/or the 'homeowners' insurance company is going to rake you through the coals... It's much the same here too Mags. Properties are only "deemed" to be owned by the householder, but are not really until the last mortgage payment is in, and the Freehold notice is presented. Until that time, the bank holds the whip hand (any surprise?) and any house under mortgage must be insured. If work such as electrical fitting or wiring has been carried out, then that work must be covered by a certificate of compliance. Otherwise insurance cover may not apply. All sorts of grief then.
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Post by denis on Sept 10, 2021 6:26:30 GMT
"comparative advantage is a con term set up to keep Africa from manufacturing and instead only being the victims of primitive accumulation. The trading system is based on monopolies of 4 to 5 corporations per sector - and it's not at all free - especially in regards to Cotton and agriculture. This is what caused the Civil War even - since the Rich Northerners wanted Tariffs against British imports - so manufacturing would go up in the US while the South did not want a Tariff trade war with Britain since it relied on slave labor for profits. But in reality Automation is the number one cause of Job Loss worldwide - even in China. So the comparative advantage is just back to slave labor. For example over 1 million child slaves grow the Cacao so Cargill and Nestle can get the Chocolate monopoly for the US. So the same with the Apparel industry - Nike elite makes billions because the CIA and US military enforced genocide of union activists in Indonesia - which goes on to this day as "Free Market zones" - ... or I have a whole playlist on this - www.youtube.com/playlist... Zoned for Slavery in Central America and Haiti. Whereas Spain relies on cooperative businesses to maintain better working wages as "comparative advantage." As long as there is a cooperative democratic ownership that does not need a boss as a parasite - then the workers make a better wage. 📷 For example North Dakota has a STATE bank and so during the Depression - the farmers did not get their mortgages lost to the bank. Instead the Bank said - you can just stop paying your "rent" on mortgage - until the Drought goes away and the crops are better. Then later the Banks bought back their mortgages at the original value to the farms - no interest. They can do that because the People OWN the bank - despite the corporate elite trying to stop the creation of the North Dakota bank. So it depends - the US started out with 7/8 of the workers as self employed by the time of Lincoln - meaning they were farmers or craftsmen as a small business. ONly 1/8 were big enough to own a business that required a "wage-slave" as the Republican party called it. 📷 So he doesn't have the "attacher" on the top - since it's tied up. For Jefferson, independence presupposed access to one’s own productive property. He anticipated the change, familiar to Americans until the close of the nineteenth century, the working for hire represented a diminished form of liberty, tantamount to “wage slavery”.The standard of the Republican Party around 1870 was “We're the party who opposes slavery and who opposes wage slavery.” Noam Chomsky Claudio J. Katz wrote an article in the American Journal of Political Science titled Thomas Jefferson’s Liberal Anticapitalism, Vol. 47, No. 1 (Jan., 2003), pp. 1-17 elpidiovaldes.wordpress.com/.../wage-slavery-a.../Micheal Sandel of Harvard University has written about Lincoln’s conception of freedom and how it relates to wage labor and slavery in a book called “Democracy’s Discontent: America in a search for Public Policy“. The following quotations are taken from a chapter called “Free Labor versus Wage Labor”, Pgs 181-183:Although he shared the abolitionist’ moral condemnation of slavery, Lincoln did not share their voluntarist conception of freedom. Lincoln’s main argument against the expansion of slavery rested on the free labor ideal, and unlike the abolitionists, he did not equate free labor with wage labor. The superiority of free labor to slave labor did not consist in the fact that free laborers consent to exchange their work for a wage whereas slaves do not consent. The differences was rather that the northern wage laborer could hope one day to escape from his condition, whereas the slave could not. It was not consent that distinguished free labor from slavery, but rather the prospect of independence, the chance to rise to own productive property and to work for oneself. According to Lincoln, it was this feature of the free labor system that the southern critics of wage labor overlooked: “They insist that their slaves are far better off than Northern freemen. What a mistaken view do these men have of Northern laborers! They think that men are always to remain laborers here – but there is no such class. The man who labored for another last year, this year labors for himself. And next year he will hire others to labor for him.Lincoln did not challenge the notion that those who spend their entire lives as wage laborers are comparable to slaves. He held that both forms of work wrongly subordinate labor to capital. Those who debated “whether it is best that capital shall hire laborers, and thus induce them to work by their own consent, or buy them, and drive them to it without consent,” considered too narrow a range of possibilities. Free labor is labor carried out under conditions of independence from employers and masters alike. Lincoln insisted that, at least in the North, most Americans were independent in this sense: “Men, with their families – wives, sons and daughters – work for themselves, on their farms, in their houses and in their shops, taking the whole product to themselves, and asking no favors of capital on the one hand, nor of hirelings or slaves on the other.In Lincoln’s hands, the conception of freedom deriving from the artisan republican tradition became the rallying point for the northern cause in the Civil War. In the 1830s and 1840s, labor leaders had invoked this conception in criticizing northern society; wage labor, they feared, was supplanting free labor. In the late 1850s, Lincoln and the Republicans invoked the same conception in defending northern society; the superiority of the North to the slave holding South consisted in the independence the free labor system made possible.The Union victory in the Civil War put to rest the threat of free labor posed by the slave power, only to revive and intensify the threat posed by the wage system and industrial capitalism. Lincoln had led the North to war in the name of free labor and the small, independent producer, but the war itself accelerated the growth of capitalist enterprise and factory production. In 1869 the New York Times reported on the decline of the free labor system and the advance of wage labor. Small workshops had become “far less common than they were before the war,” and that “the small manufactures thus swallowed up have become workmen [for] wages in the greater establishments, whose larger purses, labor-saving machines, etc., refused to allow the small manufacturers a separate existence.” The article criticized the trend it described in terms reminiscent of the labor movement of the 1830s and 1840s. The fall of the independent mechanic to wage earner status amounted to “a system of slavery as absolute if not as degrading as that which lately prevailed in the South“.The 1870 census, the first to record detailed information about Americans’ occupations, confirmed what many workers already knew. Not withstanding a free labor ideology that tied liberty to ownership of productive property, American had become a nation of employees. 📷 So to this day a Farmer in the US can Deduct the cost of Overalls and that is what I'm going to do. The fact is that Duluth Traders do not last as long since they use 3% Spandex - and the buckles slide on the straps - and they lack the double canvas on the knees. But they're the SAME price as Round House overalls that are made in the US. haha. I got my Round House on now - maybe males now are "p-whipped" into needing to have fancy looking Overalls - since Round House are just old Skool design - nothing "form fitting." haha. Experience demonstrates that there may be a slavery of wages only a little less galling and crushing in its effects than chattel slavery, and that this slavery of wages must go down with the other. Frederick Douglas They who work in the mills ought to own them.” The shoemakers signed a “declaration of independence” [The Awl, 1844] The Industrial Worker, 1840-1860: The Reaction of American Industrial Society to the Advance of the Industrial Revolution. Published in 1924 by Canadian-born historian Norman Ware, this book goes into meticulous detail about the conditions of the labor classes following the rise of industrialism in the mid-19th century. Many of these observations and conclusions are drawn from workers’ writings in the popular labor newspapers of the time, including Voice of Industry, Working Man’s Advocate, and The Awl." The Industrial worker by Norman ware. 1840 to 1860 archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.86724
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Post by gruntbrain on Sept 11, 2021 13:48:39 GMT
Tax cheaters can prosper spiritually by donating their ill gotten gains to destitute prostitutes or so I've heard. Meanwhile, join Pierini's inner circle to enhance your power of deduction .
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