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Post by brothersteve on Aug 27, 2021 19:16:38 GMT
www.anasci.org/ebooks/USH%20II.pdfAlways wanted to see what this had to say. Some interesting history. I believe Zak owned Zak's gym in Branford, CT where a high school classmate worked out for a time around 1982 before he got busted. Also some interesting scary facts about what this crap does. I find stuff like this fascinating. Please let me know if you cannot access.
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Post by jonrock on Aug 28, 2021 11:38:12 GMT
Great find, I have wanted something like this to learn from for some time.
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Post by moxohol on Aug 28, 2021 14:48:03 GMT
Steroids are old school. Peptides are cutting edge, versatile & safer. They played a big part in my physical therapy.
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Post by brothersteve on Aug 28, 2021 15:52:09 GMT
Great find, I have wanted something like this to learn from for some time. It's old stuff from the 80's, but gives greater insight to what I heard from the guys taking back then. I never knew there were so many types. I purchased Dr. Fred Hatfield's Bodybuilding: A Scientific Approach and read Bob Goldman's : Death in the Lockeroom books as was always curious to how they worked and what could happen if one took them. I never did take them, but a few friends did. They gained and quit them soon after taking lots of pictures. I also heard of many others who took them from 3rd parties, so not sure how reliable. Around 1999, when Mark McGwire was huge and hitting al those home runs and said it was from a supplement on store shelves, 2 friends of mine who were then family primary care doctors discussed PED's and they said even natural supplements designed to boot T are bad for future health such as hip fractures and cardio health. When I was big into weight gainer in 1984, I took a brand from Universal gaining over 34 lbs that summer and staying the same pants size. I heard from some older guys talking in the gym that it was laced with 'roids and made folks grow. That product disappeared from the market at that point.....makes me go hmmmm. Author of this info Dan Duchaine died before he was 50 from kidney issues. Related to this stuff, maybe. He self admits he took stuff. This is a glaring example of what it can do for results and the possible fatalities. I only take a few supplements but nothing more.
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Post by jonrock on Aug 28, 2021 16:25:42 GMT
Very interesting topic, your experience with that suspicious product is amazing. Were you regaining, was it mostly fat, energy levels, strength, etc? Thanks in advance.
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Post by moxohol on Aug 28, 2021 19:05:04 GMT
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Post by brothersteve on Aug 29, 2021 14:57:22 GMT
Very interesting topic, your experience with that suspicious product is amazing. Were you regaining, was it mostly fat, energy levels, strength, etc? Thanks in advance. I went from about 162 on June 7 to 198 by August 26. It was all new gain. No fat as I stayed the same pants waist size. I was 6 foot half inch, so was skinny at 162 for my bone structure (7 & 5/8 wrist). I still have the stretch marks arould pecs, upper lata, near kneecaps where teardrop muscle is, inner/upper thighs, and on my butt cheeks. I worked out using a combo of high intensity approaches; all reps were 2 seconds up and 4 seconds down doing a minimum of 7 reps and going up to 12 reps before adding weight, I would try like heck to purposely flex both muscles while I did these reps (training biceps I would tense both biceps and triceps during the action. Also, would do descending weights (warmup and start with heavy weight, then strip off 15%, then strip off another 20% - no rest as training partners did the strip offs), then did negatives for 3-5 reps, and all this was all part of a giant set of 3 - 4 exercises; example - chest was DB bench as it gave stretch range with 3 sets bells around me to descend with, did them next to the dip station with weighted belt, strip belt and do bodyweight, then negatives, then down to floor for pushup and pushups on knees, then negative pushups. Used the pre exhaust training as well on other bodyparts like quads, shoulders, triceps. My workout sched. was 3 on , 1 off; day 1 was chest, shoulders, and tri's, day 2 legs, day 3 was back and bi's, day 4 was rest, then repeat. I also worked at my fathers restaurant and all together ate 6-7 times/day. I had energy when I was up and slept an average of 9 hours a night and took daily naps of 1.5 hours. I went out to tan daily for 30 minutes. As I got bigger I got stronger as well, but my focus was the size. The slower reps were key to noticeable strength increases for me. I was not huge by any means as over 6 ft and still under 200, but I looked good and got noticed a lot more by everyone from the transformation. I have a V shape with wider shoulder than hips. I never had huge legs no matter what, especially calves which never broke 16 even at 230 plus bodyweight. Ironically, my dad at 6 ft and 170 lbs had 17.75 calves and 25 inch highs. His legs were amazing with size and cuts and nothing for them - he never exercised, but did work his business 7 days a week and about 90 hours all on his feet. Hope this helps. Let me know if you think of anything else that might be of interest and help. EDIT: I would do 2-3 of those giant sets for the bodypart as described and the pump was huge. I would then rest about 3 minutes before setting up and doing the next bodypart.
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Post by lardy on Sept 1, 2021 7:34:38 GMT
Steroids are old school. Peptides are cutting edge, versatile & safer. They played a big part in my physical therapy. Do peptides have any serious side effects? I've read a bit about them, they just seem a bit like the long term effects are completely unknown, atleast with steroids you know you're probably going to die younger etc .
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Post by moxohol on Sept 1, 2021 10:02:47 GMT
Steroids are old school. Peptides are cutting edge, versatile & safer. They played a big part in my physical therapy. Do peptides have any serious side effects? I've read a bit about them, they just seem a bit like the long term effects are completely unknown, atleast with steroids you know you're probably going to die younger etc . It depends on what u mess with & in what way. There are no absolutes here just risk factors. Messing with growth hormone intensely & long term produces its own set of risks. Look at Rich Piana: he used & abused growth hormone for years enlarging his heart. Rich admitted it as a strong probability & he died from a cardiac event (He died from left ventricle hypertrophy). On the other hand, u have Sly Stallone, the actor, who was been famously rumored about & then outed for getting busted in Australia for HgH injectables in 2008. He's now 72 & looks frayed & old but he's still alive & healthy as far as is publicly known? U have Growth hormone-releasing peptides (GHRPs) that effectively stimulates your pituitary gland to produce GH. Regardless of age. But if there's an over-expression of GH then it causes a litany of health problems like diabetes, cancers, heart enlargement, Etc-etc. The same risks can occur with injectable GH which in addition causes temporary or permanent suppression of the endogenous supply of GH due to the feedback loop of the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) Axis. Unlike steroids, SARMs do not disturb the non-skeletal muscle tissue. They do not stimulate organ growth or androgenic tissues such breast & prostate or badly screw up ur blood lipids like anabolic steroids do nor do SARMs adversely suppress the HPCA like steroids do. Ostarine, a very popular SARM, does not usually require PCT. Peptides are bioregulators which regulate & target specific organs. If used sensibly the risks are minimal. That's why u do a medical screening to triage any pre-existing conditions that SARMs (hGh or steroids too) may exacerbate? Before & during.
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Post by moxohol on Sept 1, 2021 10:06:19 GMT
Steroids are old school. Peptides are cutting edge, versatile & safer. They played a big part in my physical therapy. Do peptides have any serious side effects? I've read a bit about them, they just seem a bit like the long term effects are completely unknown, atleast with steroids you know you're probably going to die younger etc . Since ur a self-admitted marshmellow man, there is a SARM that effectively busts fat by speeding up ur metabolism. It's NOTHING like DNP either. It's available in UK too...online.
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Post by jonrock on Sept 1, 2021 16:41:18 GMT
Very interesting topic, your experience with that suspicious product is amazing. Were you regaining, was it mostly fat, energy levels, strength, etc? Thanks in advance. I went from about 162 on June 7 to 198 by August 26. It was all new gain. No fat as I stayed the same pants waist size. I was 6 foot half inch, so was skinny at 162 for my bone structure (7 & 5/8 wrist). I still have the stretch marks arould pecs, upper lata, near kneecaps where teardrop muscle is, inner/upper thighs, and on my butt cheeks. I worked out using a combo of high intensity approaches; all reps were 2 seconds up and 4 seconds down doing a minimum of 7 reps and going up to 12 reps before adding weight, I would try like heck to purposely flex both muscles while I did these reps (training biceps I would tense both biceps and triceps during the action. Also, would do descending weights (warmup and start with heavy weight, then strip off 15%, then strip off another 20% - no rest as training partners did the strip offs), then did negatives for 3-5 reps, and all this was all part of a giant set of 3 - 4 exercises; example - chest was DB bench as it gave stretch range with 3 sets bells around me to descend with, did them next to the dip station with weighted belt, strip belt and do bodyweight, then negatives, then down to floor for pushup and pushups on knees, then negative pushups. Used the pre exhaust training as well on other bodyparts like quads, shoulders, triceps. My workout sched. was 3 on , 1 off; day 1 was chest, shoulders, and tri's, day 2 legs, day 3 was back and bi's, day 4 was rest, then repeat. I also worked at my fathers restaurant and all together ate 6-7 times/day. I had energy when I was up and slept an average of 9 hours a night and took daily naps of 1.5 hours. I went out to tan daily for 30 minutes. As I got bigger I got stronger as well, but my focus was the size. The slower reps were key to noticeable strength increases for me. I was not huge by any means as over 6 ft and still under 200, but I looked good and got noticed a lot more by everyone from the transformation. I have a V shape with wider shoulder than hips. I never had huge legs no matter what, especially calves which never broke 16 even at 230 plus bodyweight. Ironically, my dad at 6 ft and 170 lbs had 17.75 calves and 25 inch highs. His legs were amazing with size and cuts and nothing for them - he never exercised, but did work his business 7 days a week and about 90 hours all on his feet. Hope this helps. Let me know if you think of anything else that might be of interest and help. EDIT: I would do 2-3 of those giant sets for the bodypart as described and the pump was huge. I would then rest about 3 minutes before setting up and doing the next bodypart. This is fantastic, an interesting read and informative. I have a few questions: Any side effects? Did you maintain it for long? And what happened when you stopped taking that Universal product?
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Post by brothersteve on Sept 1, 2021 16:56:27 GMT
I went from about 162 on June 7 to 198 by August 26. It was all new gain. No fat as I stayed the same pants waist size. I was 6 foot half inch, so was skinny at 162 for my bone structure (7 & 5/8 wrist). I still have the stretch marks arould pecs, upper lata, near kneecaps where teardrop muscle is, inner/upper thighs, and on my butt cheeks. I worked out using a combo of high intensity approaches; all reps were 2 seconds up and 4 seconds down doing a minimum of 7 reps and going up to 12 reps before adding weight, I would try like heck to purposely flex both muscles while I did these reps (training biceps I would tense both biceps and triceps during the action. Also, would do descending weights (warmup and start with heavy weight, then strip off 15%, then strip off another 20% - no rest as training partners did the strip offs), then did negatives for 3-5 reps, and all this was all part of a giant set of 3 - 4 exercises; example - chest was DB bench as it gave stretch range with 3 sets bells around me to descend with, did them next to the dip station with weighted belt, strip belt and do bodyweight, then negatives, then down to floor for pushup and pushups on knees, then negative pushups. Used the pre exhaust training as well on other bodyparts like quads, shoulders, triceps. My workout sched. was 3 on , 1 off; day 1 was chest, shoulders, and tri's, day 2 legs, day 3 was back and bi's, day 4 was rest, then repeat. I also worked at my fathers restaurant and all together ate 6-7 times/day. I had energy when I was up and slept an average of 9 hours a night and took daily naps of 1.5 hours. I went out to tan daily for 30 minutes. As I got bigger I got stronger as well, but my focus was the size. The slower reps were key to noticeable strength increases for me. I was not huge by any means as over 6 ft and still under 200, but I looked good and got noticed a lot more by everyone from the transformation. I have a V shape with wider shoulder than hips. I never had huge legs no matter what, especially calves which never broke 16 even at 230 plus bodyweight. Ironically, my dad at 6 ft and 170 lbs had 17.75 calves and 25 inch highs. His legs were amazing with size and cuts and nothing for them - he never exercised, but did work his business 7 days a week and about 90 hours all on his feet. Hope this helps. Let me know if you think of anything else that might be of interest and help. EDIT: I would do 2-3 of those giant sets for the bodypart as described and the pump was huge. I would then rest about 3 minutes before setting up and doing the next bodypart. This is fantastic, an interesting read and informative. I have a few questions: Any side effects? Did you maintain it for long? And what happened when you stopped taking that Universal product? I was not taking anything more than the Universal weight gainer, no roids, and did not know if my weight gainer was tainted in some way or not. No side effects from the weight gainer, just weight gain in the right places. When I ran out of Universal and there was no more coming as it was discontinued, I tried the Weider Dynamic Weight Gainer and it worked just as well for about 2 weeks. Then, I got diarrhea about 2 hours after I took it for several times and stopped taking it. Left it alone for a week and tried it again and same thing happened. At that point, summer was over and I went back to school and we were required to play a fall sport. I could not eat as much and could not workout for hypertrophy on the fall schedule at all and went down to 186 lbs. I had a very fast metabolism at the time. Even with the weight loss I and being off weight training, I kept most of my strength. When sports were over in mid November, I began to re-build. Muscle memory and more eating got me back into the mid 190's in 3 weeks. From there it was food only. I didn't want to waste $ on Weider products just to throw it out.
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Post by lardy on Sept 1, 2021 20:33:08 GMT
Do peptides have any serious side effects? I've read a bit about them, they just seem a bit like the long term effects are completely unknown, atleast with steroids you know you're probably going to die younger etc . Since ur a self-admitted marshmellow man, there is a SARM that effectively busts fat by speeding up ur metabolism. It's NOTHING like DNP either. It's available in UK too...online. I've actually taken a SARM out of stupidity before, it was ostarine and I had no clue what it was... it may have been a prohormone disguised, it is how I eventually came across this website, I started going on the treadmill with one of my friends (just walking inclined) at the gym a few times a week and he handed it me in a bottle it was pill form (which leads me to think it may of been a pro hormone marketed as ostarine) and told me if it would help me "Recomp" which he explained to me as losing bodyweight and getting ripped , anyway I took it for about a month and went to the doctors for a regular check up, he had me do an ECG (because I used to have anxiety and complain about heart palpitations, which are all gone now thank god) and I had an elevated "t-wave" which he told me was a high level of potassium, he asked me what I was eating and if i took medication etc. He didn't seem to know what Ostarine was but he told me to stop taking it, so I researched it and it came up with loads of bodybuilding related stuff and then I thought about trying to make my body better naturally started reading forums and ended up here , but yeah based on the elevated t-wave I thought sarms were probably not the best, my blood pressure etc were fine though.
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