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Post by macky on Aug 26, 2021 3:07:18 GMT
Time should never be "tight" between the most powerful military in the world and a bunch of sandaled savages. Now would be a good time to launch a major offensive and exterminate them.....use any weapons necessary to eliminate them and the weapons they "inherited" Yep. Do what the US military does best. Pour it on, root them out, shoot or imprison the lot. The Afghans were pretty happy with the American occupation. Take the whole country, kick the corrupt Afghan govt out. Occupy Afghanistan as a forward base to let China know it hasn't got things all it's own way. And never ever again let any president nobble his military forces under any circumstances. Plus get some Chiefs of Staff who know what they're doing. You know....veterans, not political appointees.
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Post by Magnus on Aug 26, 2021 4:36:55 GMT
Biden is absolutely to blame for this shameful fiasco... This is actually the second major dabacle presided over by Biden, the first being in 2011 when as Vice President he negotiated the Obama administration's drawdown from Iraq... ...a few years later in 2014, after ISIS began ethnic cleansing in Iraq and murdering American journalists and aid workers, then-President Barack Obama reversed that decision and sent additional military support -- upping the troop presence to 2,900. www.cnn.com/2021/08/12/opinions/afghanistan-president-biden-debacle-bergen/index.html 1... And who was profiting from this yet-another shitty war in some far-off country ? Well ? And who owns the news media's Left and Right that are attacking Biden now ? He's put a stop to their revenue stream hasn't he ? 2... Like Biden said, America wasn't built by Wall Street. It was built by people like you and I, workers and engineers, doctors, nurses, not fucking money-manipulators and the super-rich, many of who inherited their wealth. 3... And you blame Biden ? Btw, that another reason why the PTB made sure Trump didn't win, that is if you still stick to the "stolen election" rhetoric. Trump stuffed their foreign "business revenue stream". !... Defense contractors and their shareholders along with drug dealers profited immensely from the "war", and it was the Taliban who ultimately put a stop to their "revenue stream". theintercept.com/2021/08/16/afghanistan-war-defense-stocks/www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/everything-about-opium-trade-in-afghanistan-taliban-could-reap-almost-400-dollars-million-profit.html2... Biden is a super corrupt, plagarizing and slime ball career politician who has never held a real job in his life, so anything he says about how "America was built" means absolutely nothing to someone like me who actually gets dirty and sweats while earning an honest living. www.pastemagazine.com/politics/joe-biden/the-10-worst-things-joe-biden-has-done-in-his-poli/#7-voted-to-overturn-glass-steagall
3... Yes, Biden fucked the withdrawal up BIGTIME, he is 100% to blame here. www.bizpacreview.com/2021/08/13/pompeo-breaks-down-exactly-why-bidens-deadly-afghanistan-withdrawal-went-so-wrong-1117890/
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Post by macky on Aug 26, 2021 5:31:38 GMT
1... And who was profiting from this yet-another shitty war in some far-off country ? Well ? And who owns the news media's Left and Right that are attacking Biden now ? He's put a stop to their revenue stream hasn't he ? 2... Like Biden said, America wasn't built by Wall Street. It was built by people like you and I, workers and engineers, doctors, nurses, not fucking money-manipulators and the super-rich, many of who inherited their wealth. 3... And you blame Biden ? Btw, that another reason why the PTB made sure Trump didn't win, that is if you still stick to the "stolen election" rhetoric. Trump stuffed their foreign "business revenue stream". !... Defense contractors and their shareholders along with drug dealers profited immensely from the "war", and it was the Taliban who ultimately put a stop to their "revenue stream". theintercept.com/2021/08/16/afghanistan-war-defense-stocks/www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/everything-about-opium-trade-in-afghanistan-taliban-could-reap-almost-400-dollars-million-profit.html2... Biden is a super corrupt, plagarizing and slime ball career politician who has never held a real job in his life, so anything he says about how "America was built" means absolutely nothing to someone like me who actually gets dirty and sweats while earning an honest living. www.pastemagazine.com/politics/joe-biden/the-10-worst-things-joe-biden-has-done-in-his-poli/#7-voted-to-overturn-glass-steagall
3... Yes, Biden fucked the withdrawal up BIGTIME, he is 100% to blame here. www.bizpacreview.com/2021/08/13/pompeo-breaks-down-exactly-why-bidens-deadly-afghanistan-withdrawal-went-so-wrong-1117890/Sure Mags. Have it your own way, no worries. We'll never know the true story, because once politicians start in on it, any sensible analysis of what happened goes out the window. The Taliban actually profited from the drug trade as well, but that's not politically correct so I doubt you'll see it in the MSM. You don't honestly think that the Taliban wouldn't take advantage of Trump's "hands-off" deal to gain more funds for their cause, would you ? If you want corruption, take a look at McConnell. They are all self-serving virtual traitors to decent Americans and the world. Slaves to Big Money, to backhanders from opposition countries, double-crossers who couldn't lay straight in bed if you tied them down to the mattress.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Aug 26, 2021 16:50:59 GMT
Biden fucked this up royally. It's true that Trump rescinded visas of those Afghans who supported us. Biden had all the time in the world to discretely ensure that all Afghans who needed to be evacuated were all accounted for and supplied with the proper paper work, and plans in place to get them out safely, before beginning the evacuation. Instead he just blurted out of the clear blue that we were abandoning Afghanistan and laying out a ridiculously short timeline. Because of this we don't know how many Afghans who supported us have now been murdered by the Taliban, how many are trapped in places around Afghanistan and will very probably be killed. It is only by the good graces of the Taliban, which never could have been foreseen, that Afghans who supported us are making it to the Kabul airport at all.
We had to leave Afghanistan at some point or another. For 20 years we've been propping up a corrupt house of cards. It was well known that when we left, the Taliban would quickly gain control of Afghanistan. We couldn't keep propping up this failed effort forever. It is tragic that all those Afghans who were looking forward to better days are now going to be taken back to the Stone Age. But, what's that going to set them back by? Two, three weeks maybe?
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Aug 26, 2021 17:55:28 GMT
So now 4 U.S. Marines are dead.
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Post by billfish on Aug 26, 2021 18:55:46 GMT
This shitshow is going to make the evacuation of Saigon look like a nice send off
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Post by MBS on Aug 26, 2021 18:59:09 GMT
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Post by MBS on Aug 26, 2021 18:59:57 GMT
I suspect it’s a lot worse than what the media wants us to know.
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Post by brothersteve on Aug 26, 2021 19:18:24 GMT
I'm sure Taliban Twitter and Facebook should have detailed coverage of the events.
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Post by billfish on Aug 26, 2021 19:21:36 GMT
11 U.S. Marines 1 U.S.N. Corpsman All killed in Afghanistan today I hope someone puts a bullet into Biden's empty skull !
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Post by brothersteve on Aug 26, 2021 19:22:24 GMT
This is all part of the plan that some nameless/faceless group has been construing. Get sleepy joe in, make him sign a whole bunch of hasty crap to drain the country $ and transfer wealth of the USA to foreign lands via trillion dollar bills, pull out of Afghanistan hastily, get impeached for it, Hyena Harris becomes POTUS until something happens where she isn't.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Aug 26, 2021 19:59:47 GMT
Deadliest day in U.S. military history in the past 10 years.
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Post by macky on Aug 26, 2021 23:48:13 GMT
This is all part of the plan that some nameless/faceless group has been construing. Get sleepy joe in, make him sign a whole bunch of hasty crap to drain the country $ and transfer wealth of the USA to foreign lands via trillion dollar bills, pull out of Afghanistan hastily, get impeached for it, Hyena Harris becomes POTUS until something happens where she isn't. With all the posts re Biden, never ever ever ever forget the Ones Who Pull The Strings behind the president and the US govt. Try and stop blaming a single clueless non-military man who received multiple deferments, along with his predecessor who nobbled the military last year. Two idiots who the Chiefs Of Staff should have over-ruled by any means possible. I warned on here last year questioning the quality of the only two candidates that were all the US could present for presidency. And as if the US military didn't know what would happen ? Ask yourselves who is really in charge. We all know what the MSM does to the public, yet here you are taking the MSM's word for what is happening and going along with the MSM's ranting on about Biden. If the US govt had any guts it should have immediately cancelled the withdrawal on the back of those bombings and shootings and sent the military back in again to properly clean the place up. "They've" got their excuse now. Billfish is right, in one sense. This is making Saigon look like a nice send off. But this time is worse on another level. In the early 70's America was still an economic powerhouse and still presented a picture of democracy to the world. Although it was a disgrace, enough countries still had confidence in the US and its allies to continue with it. But in 2021, America is a vastly different place. Largely crippled by partisan infighting, the MoneyMen owning over two thirds of the nation's wealth, and most importantly, the govt. Corporates, banks, most the the billionaires, the arms industry do not care, or care sufficiently for their people of heir country. The 1% and following 9% have now attained their goals of more money than they know what to do with. But where does the country go from here ? Political will of The People is defined by street-fighting instead of addressing the Ones who have betrayed the nation, and their allies. Since when does a country operate properly when over two thirds of its wealth is owned by a few ? One glance at other countries around the world should tell us that their violence and insurrection is caused by the very problems which America faces today, and didn't at the time of the Vietnam withdrawal. Pakistan has publicly supported America over the years, but quietly financed and aided the Taliban in the interests of the Islamic State. Russia, China, Pakistan, and other nearby states have now expressed support for the Taliban in Afghanistan. China will make its move soon (it already has in Iran) and co-op with Pakistan for a corridor into the rest of the Islamic countries. But don't think that China will stop at co-operation, because as soon as its secured its huge economic clout on the surrounding countries, said countries will start to find out what real aggression and tight control mean. In the meantime the American withdrawal is a shambles. Once again, the Top Boy let the show down. Trump, Obama, Bush, all of them. The one great failure (as in dealing with the Chinese) is that Optimism and consensus doesn't work against resolute, authoritarian movements/govts/leaders. Britain at first tried to placate Hitler and Stalin. The lesson wasn't learned never to get into the same bed with those psychopaths, because it is still happening today with China, Putin, the Taliban etc. And as in Vietnam, never try to take on a dedicated group of incumbent freedom fighters who will accept horrendous casualties and keep on keeping on, unless you are willing to go all the way and completely take over and quash any opposition. And at the back of it all, the PTB of the arms industry continue to count their profits and great wealth, gained with the blood and suffering of "their own" people, and civilians from both sides.
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Post by brothersteve on Aug 27, 2021 12:32:37 GMT
All too true Macky!
Horrific things going on wildly all over and not even close to half of it makes the news.
When I heard Biden yesterday say the 13 who "...gave their lives..." it struck a nerve big time. They were killed, their lives were 'taken' with the help of their own (U.S.) government painting them in the corner of a losing extraction.
Whether we were winning or losing there in the last 20 years or not, the call to make the hasty exit without caring for what could go on like this rests on Biden, puppet or not.
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Post by Magnus on Aug 27, 2021 13:24:44 GMT
This is all part of the plan that some nameless/faceless group has been construing. Get sleepy joe in, make him sign a whole bunch of hasty crap to drain the country $ and transfer wealth of the USA to foreign lands via trillion dollar bills, pull out of Afghanistan hastily, get impeached for it, Hyena Harris becomes POTUS until something happens where she isn't. With all the posts re Biden, never ever ever ever forget the Ones Who Pull The Strings behind the president and the US govt. Try and stop blaming a single clueless non-military man who received multiple deferments, along with his predecessor who nobbled the military last year. Two idiots who the Chiefs Of Staff should have over-ruled by any means possible. I warned on here last year questioning the quality of the only two candidates that were all the US could present for presidency. Three things Macky.. 1. Biden is a crooked lying scumbag who has never held a real job in his life, and anyone who voted for him just to get Trump out of office has the same amount of blood on their hands as Biden does right now. 2. This would have NEVER happened if Trump was still president. 3. Take it from someone who actually lives in the U.S. and doesn't compile their opinions from the outside looking in. Despite the onslaught of opposition from the leftist lunatics starting on day one of his presidency, this country was in great shape due to Trump, and is now deteriorating into something that many of us sadly don't recognize anymore...
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