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Post by Unknown on Jul 13, 2021 3:38:29 GMT
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Post by macky on Jul 13, 2021 3:40:19 GMT
The two groups that were involved in the capitol riot were the proud boys and the oathkeepers. The media has admitted that both these groups – two of two – were led by FBI agents. So it looks like the FBI is currently going around the country arresting people for a crime that they committed. It could only happen in clownworld……. Which media has admitted ? Citation ? Link ? So no, the FBI is going around trying to find 300 still at large , having currently arrested about 535 rioters. The US lends itself to your label, by the sheer number of different groups, all with their interests as their impetus, some criminal in their actions on Jan 6, some not. Where a clear majority vote to convict Trump but he's let off the hook because of yet another convoluted rule that needs two-thirds vote FOR to be able to act on. What a shambles. I'm not adverse to the possibility of an "inside job" by the FBI, having researched 9/11 and Bushit's reason for invading Iraq. The FBI has been known for a long time to fabricate evidence through its interview/FD-302 form presented in Court, for decades. But I'm not going to listen to MSM as any authority on the truth with someone like Tucker ranting away asking leading questions that probably have a reasonable answer. All this conspiracy theory's come from the Conservatives anyway. Not that I don't share some right-wing views, but as a Centrist I also suspect Left MSM as well, at times. Prove it, and it's no longer a conspiracy theory, but fact. Several Oathkeepers are already agreeing to work with the govt. At the last, those that engaged in violent actions should be charged and convicted, whoever they were, whoever sent them. That plain fact is beyond anything to do with any conspiracy theory. Police officers that were there in that capacity have either resigned when charged, or been sacked. And if the FBI are proven to have been involved in some way, with suitable evidence that does not include implication, innuendo, or speculation, then it will be no surprise to me, because it will only add to my view that I hold already, that the PTB wanted to get rid of Trump. By any means short of another Kennedy.
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Post by Unknown on Jul 13, 2021 3:43:37 GMT
Links above
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Post by mr potatohead on Jul 13, 2021 3:46:28 GMT
HERE's audio interview with Oath Keepers during November, 2014 Ferguson MO riots. Sheriff Richard Mack seems to be OK with with Oath Keepers, so that makes them OK with me because I perceive Mack to be a man of integrity.
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Post by macky on Jul 13, 2021 3:51:24 GMT
I've posted before of the possibility of Agents Provocateur infiltrating groups of all sorts. It's nothing new. So what does that prove ? That authorities knew the riot was on its way ? Well the authorities knew that 9/11 was on its way, but that didn't stop the "19" getting their names written into history as the perps of 9/11. Osama Bin Laden vilified forever as the architect despite never being indicted for 9/11. The US is well-known to incite riots and unrest right around the world, at least since WW2, the overthrow of basically democratic govts and CIA installation of vicious dictators, interference in other country's elections etc All this is nothing new at all. The trouble is, like 9/11 it's all happened on American soil and Americans are amazed at the possibilities that this sort of things has/is happening on their doorstep ? What ?
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Post by macky on Jul 13, 2021 3:52:22 GMT
Sorry, you posted just before I did.
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Post by Unknown on Jul 13, 2021 3:53:35 GMT
The people with the FBI links are the leaders of the groups
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Post by macky on Jul 13, 2021 4:48:38 GMT
The people with the FBI links are the leaders of the groups So does the particular group under said leader know that their leader is an FBI contact ? Or is the whole group under FBI direction, and knows it ? If the leader is an FBI contact or employee then how far does that go, beyond the FBI knowing that that particular group will be demonstrating at the Capitol ? And btw, both the FBI and the CIA have almost routinely used members of various groups not only to spy on said groups but also to carry out some of their agency's dirty work. Once again it's nothing new. Anyway, there's denials left right and center going on in the links. Again, the truth is obscure.
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Post by Unknown on Jul 13, 2021 5:01:12 GMT
“So does the particular group under said leader know that their leader is an FBI contact ? Or is the whole group under FBI direction, and knows it ?
If the leader is an FBI contact or employee then how far does that go, beyond the FBI knowing that that particular group will be demonstrating at the Capitol ?”
Your right Macky – you’ve got me, its all a right wing conspiracy.
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Post by macky on Jul 13, 2021 5:11:46 GMT
“So does the particular group under said leader know that their leader is an FBI contact ? Or is the whole group under FBI direction, and knows it ? If the leader is an FBI contact or employee then how far does that go, beyond the FBI knowing that that particular group will be demonstrating at the Capitol ?” Your right Macky – you’ve got me, its all a right wing conspiracy. Well you have to wonder, don't you ? The CT sprang from a known right-winger, channeled by right wing news media, and even with the links is still only essentially a conspiracy theory. Most of all those links point to almost routine usage of "insiders" to spy and incite unrest of some sort or other, by US security/law agencies. The FBI is already involved, whichever way you look at it. At the last, are all of the 535 arrested and 300-at-large members of those groups like the Proud Boys, all under FBI direction to go in and riot ? In other words, the extent of FBI covert and known involvement in the violence etc on the day is still in question, isn't it ?
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Post by macky on Jul 13, 2021 5:50:27 GMT
HERE's audio interview with Oath Keepers during November, 2014 Ferguson MO riots. Sheriff Richard Mack seems to be OK with with Oath Keepers, so that makes them OK with me because I perceive Mack to be a man of integrity. While I understand that, I think it's a bit shaky basing your likes and dislikes of a group on one man's opinion who you like and support. If Mack is actually a member of the Oath Keepers it might be a different story, don't you think ?
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Post by macky on Jul 13, 2021 6:19:32 GMT
Btw, re 9/11, there's more pushing for information about Saudi collusion in 9/11 to be revealed, by relatives of the 9/11 victims.
Currently, much of it is under wraps because of Saudi being a security "partner" to the US, a Middle East ally.
That was something in the side-information given to the 9/11 Commission that didn't appear in the report. 28 pages re the Saudi connection deleted from the final report.
The Chairs of the 9/11 had many criticisms of the Report themselves, including the CIA's admittance that much of the "information" was gathered under extreme torture, demonstrating once again that the CIA are basically nothing more than criminal thugs.
Chapter Seven is really only a fabricated story. It's a wonder that anyone with any knowledge at all about aviation could ever take it as the truth.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jul 13, 2021 14:41:13 GMT
HERE's audio interview with Oath Keepers during November, 2014 Ferguson MO riots. Sheriff Richard Mack seems to be OK with with Oath Keepers, so that makes them OK with me because I perceive Mack to be a man of integrity. While I understand that, I think it's a bit shaky basing your likes and dislikes of a group on one man's opinion who you like and support. If Mack is actually a member of the Oath Keepers it might be a different story, don't you think ? Sheriff Richard Mack is on the Board of Directors of Oath Keepers. He is a champion for the Constitution and the people of the US. I suspect the FBI is using it's reputation of incompetent performance and subversion by associating the actions of patriots with their own in an attempt to tarnish them as much as possible in the standard MSM BS. Read the article and Listen to that audio if you want to understand the FBI and fed government forsaking of their oath, intentional smearing propaganda of their fabricated stories and media manipulation toward those who cherish freedom and stand with their oath like the CSPOA and Oath Keepers. You are quick to accept the flip-flopping MSM nonsense, but criticize those who stand by their word, their oath. It is an attitude that is perceived as incongruent with your expressions of appreciation on special days of remembrance for those who serve. I don't get it. This is one of reasons I keep telling you to shut off the f-n TV. You're being brainwashed just having that anti-American, anti-freedom, anti-truth garbage as background noise being pumped into your subconscious which is made obvious when you regurgitate it.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jul 13, 2021 15:02:56 GMT
Manufactured mayhem to promote fear the tool of tyrants and provoke a cry by those oppressed for relief from the manufactured problem. ie: Corona the fear tool and the provided "solutions" like lockdowns, masks, chemical injection experiments, socialism distancing/separation from human contact, ventilators, easily manipulated non-test for illness, etc, etc, that kill more people. "Create Problem - Invoke Reaction - Mandate Solution" If it was about our health, they wouldn't be doing this shit.
As Sheriff Richard Mack sums it up well at the beginning of his book, "The Magic of Gun Control";
(His capitals, my bold italics)
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Post by macky on Jul 13, 2021 20:41:12 GMT
This is one of reasons I keep telling you to shut off the f-n TV. You're being brainwashed just having that anti-American, anti-freedom, anti-truth garbage as background noise being pumped into your subconscious which is made obvious when you regurgitate it. I watch very little TV, thank you. The most I watch is The Chase. The British one. Aljazeera has various articles and news from around the world, not necessarily re America. In any case, I watch very little of it. Our national news is not worth watching for any in-depth consideration apart from local concerns and/or the latest crime. I am not anti-American, otherwise I wouldn't bother wasting my time trying to warn you guys (whether I'm right or wrong) that there is another viewpoint outside your "patriotic" compulsive-partisan geo-centric mindset, that someone on the outside of the goldfish bowl that is America can perhaps offer some insight to what really IS. In other words, how much you present a scrabbling in-the-dust projection of inter-political in-fighting, while the real reasons for America the way it is, is almost completely ignored. What is the Truth ? Truth can change from day to day, as far as appropriate action and attitudes are concerned. Truth has many levels, and they can ALL be true, but the ultimate Truth seems to be beyond the average American citizen, noted by the ignoring of certain plain facts that you do NOT have a proper democracy in America by any standards, your own included (election fraud allegations etc), and the reliance on large financial donations from "interested parties" for candidates' election costs, immediately placing them in the pocket of the PTB. Your govt is ruled by the Big Money PTB who are unelected by The People. That makes your Constitution largely irrelevant for as long as you let that happen. You are ruled by Big Money at any cost (you already know that) but seem to refuse the idea that a controlling loose group from several areas dictate the bulk of the Play, one way or the other, free of partisan membership/attitudes. You also ignore the plain fact that this has gone on through successive govts for a long time, BOTH Republican and Democratic. Instead, you fight on the streets, when it might be a better idea to take the elevator to the top floor, and address those who wield their influence on the leaders of the country, NOT by your "democratic vote", but by appointments from others who themselves are largely remote from said Peoples' vote, and who dominate politicians "in power" by large cash "donations" to their bank accounts. America in short, is dominated by the Greedy. Greedy for power, money, possessions, recognition at any cost. That is also true for other countries as well. But because America is still the prime Mover And Shaker for the world, what happens in America filters down to countries such as the Five Eyes group, and we here also become influenced by the sort of attitudes that are prevalent in the Untied! States of America. That's another reason why I bother posting. I know as well as you do that the FBI has a record for dubious behaviour, and if they have been involved in aiding the Capitol rioting in any way by using infiltrators in various groups, then that is also nothing new. But does that mean that violence on the day should be ignored just because one or two agents provocateur were in amongst it all ? If so, what do you think that would look like to the outside world ? America's image is tarnished enough already.
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