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Post by pierinifitness on Jun 17, 2021 23:44:42 GMT
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Post by brothersteve on Jun 18, 2021 12:04:29 GMT
This was the reason I stopped lifting weights; focus was on lifting as heavy as possible which led to injuries and the resulting mess up of my body mechanics. Starting lifting in 77', the focus was coming from guys like Mentzer and his HEAVY DUTY training. Mentzer definitely had it over Arnold at the 80' Olympia, but whatever. Like 'fixed' elections, contests are no different. Those with the money and pull get their way.
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Post by Michael on Jun 18, 2021 14:10:36 GMT
I still lift weights but I don't focus on lifting as heavy as possible. I like to focus on the muscle, movement, and my personal form. The muscle works the weight for me. I recently worked up to pressing my 28kg KB for 5 reps but my shoulder didn't feel right. So I agree to push more and more weight is a recipe for injury. It's not worth it. Some people are delusionally thinking they will keep improving the amount of weight they lift. Eventually, it comes to an end.
Take for instance, Mark Rippetoe. I read somewhere that he said his training really hurts and causes pain. He pretty much said all older trainees train hurt and that you either train like that or not at all. To me, that just sounds so stupid and ego-driven. So eventually that type of person will become more sedentary because of injuries and pain. Don't get me wrong, I like to see people improve themselves but at what cost.
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Post by pierinifitness on Jun 18, 2021 14:35:03 GMT
I still lift weights but I don't focus on lifting as heavy as possible. I like to focus on the muscle, movement, and my personal form. The muscle works the weight for me. I recently worked up to pressing my 28kg KB for 5 reps but my shoulder didn't feel right. So I agree to push more and more weight is a recipe for injury. It's not worth it. Some people are delusionally thinking they will keep improving the amount of weight they lift. Eventually, it comes to an end. Take for instance, Mark Rippetoe. I read somewhere that he said his training really hurts and causes pain. He pretty much said all older trainees train hurt and that you either train like that or not at all. To me, that just sounds so stupid and ego-driven. So eventually that type of person will become more sedentary because of injuries and pain. Don't get me wrong, I like to see people improve themselves but at what cost. Wow, that's impressive Michael, great job. Was that a single arm or a double? Regardless, impressive. I haven't done KB work for a while and I'm sure a 24kg OHP would be challenging, a far cry from when I did a double 24kg KB OHP for 8 reps. I got there following the Steve Justa modified method, good stuff, it worked for me. Obey your shoulders and keep marching forward.
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Michael
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Post by Michael on Jun 18, 2021 15:20:27 GMT
I still lift weights but I don't focus on lifting as heavy as possible. I like to focus on the muscle, movement, and my personal form. The muscle works the weight for me. I recently worked up to pressing my 28kg KB for 5 reps but my shoulder didn't feel right. So I agree to push more and more weight is a recipe for injury. It's not worth it. Some people are delusionally thinking they will keep improving the amount of weight they lift. Eventually, it comes to an end. Take for instance, Mark Rippetoe. I read somewhere that he said his training really hurts and causes pain. He pretty much said all older trainees train hurt and that you either train like that or not at all. To me, that just sounds so stupid and ego-driven. So eventually that type of person will become more sedentary because of injuries and pain. Don't get me wrong, I like to see people improve themselves but at what cost. Wow, that's impressive Michael, great job. Was that a single arm or a double? Regardless, impressive. I haven't done KB work for a while and I'm sure a 24kg OHP would be challenging, a far cry from when I did a double 24kg KB OHP for 8 reps. I got there following the Steve Justa modified method, good stuff, it worked for me. Obey your shoulders and keep marching forward. It was a single arm press. But after the journey to press it I didn't feel it was worth it. I have pressed heavy for me in the past and ever time one of my shoulders didn't feel right. The wear and tear of work probably doesn't lend well to heavy training. Thanks for cheering me on. If someone can get away with it and enjoys it's I will be cheering you on. But I'm going to take the high rode from now on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 18:48:10 GMT
I had to stop deadlifting as no matter how careful I was, I’d hurt my back.
Heaviest thing I do now is 40 kilos added on dips.
Another reason I stopped chasing heavier weights when I realised it made no difference to my muscle size. Or to put it another way, I realised I could get to same result using lighter weights.
That said, some of the bodyweight stuff I do is challenging.
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Post by macky on Jun 18, 2021 19:36:12 GMT
Being honest with yourself and forming a clear unambiguous idea of what you want (or need) out of your training is a good first step in making decisions about whether going heavy is worth it.
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Post by stuke on Jun 19, 2021 10:43:46 GMT
Not watched the video yet but I will, wven though I am not a fan of Jeff C or his physique. I wanted to comment on the heavy lifting thing - thus has always been drilled into us, you have to continue to add more weight to grow or improve. Generally pretty good advice, within reason, but it is realistically not really possible after a point, also not really wise. I habe had numerous signs over the last few years when lifting heavy joint pains etc, but more concerning, pressure, headaches, a feeling that lifting that was nit good for me. Take the other day when I was doing heavy partial deadlifts and holds, it wasn't my muscles that felt wrong, more the strain on my skeletal system and afterwards, preaaure in my head that lasted inti the next day. I have always had decent blood pressure, but I wonder if i had checked it that evening...
The problem is, the call of the heaby weights is strong, the feeling ia pretty good too a lot of the time and with many lifts, and the carry over is useful when gardening, moving furniture etc. I think for mw though, I will keep a hand in with the decent weights on some exercises, but train lighter, faster, wiser with most exercises.
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Post by pierinifitness on Jun 19, 2021 15:22:27 GMT
Lifting heavy may not make you bigger but some of us don't care about being bigger. There's some satisfaction that I've experienced adding lbs. to my lifts. I'm not lifting heavy now and am not sure I'll return to it, but if I did, I'd likely do a routine that I did in the past that contributed to load gains. I call it singles progressions. I take a lift and after warming up the movement with a bar only weight, I then give myself between 8 to 10 singles attempts, starting light and progressing up to either a 1RM test or close to it. I allow plenty of rest time between single attempts. Then, I close out the workout with a weight that's maybe 65 percent of my 1RM and bang out reps to failure. This workout never left me drained.
I also had good success doing Steve Justa's workout modified for KB OHP. I shared a link to that workout recently.
I'm not a big fan of hypertrophy training so heavier loads and low reps meets my training preference.
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Post by Michael on Jun 19, 2021 21:19:39 GMT
I get You guys like lifting heavy and that's ok because You like it. I just don't see the point if it hurts or is causing injury. I've been lifting heavy things on my jobs for years. It's definitely different than lifting in a controlled environment like when lifting weights. Just because someone is not lifting heavy and doing hypertrophy training doesn't mean they are automatically going to get bigger or want to get bigger. You'd be delusional to think after a certain age and many training years You're going to get bigger anyway. I could be wrong but the only thing You could do is to prevent or slow down sarcopenia. , if I can fight off that sagging skin for as long as possible I'm good. Besides, lifting heavy doesn't improve my jobs performance. All I know is I want to keep on training and be functional with the least amount of pain possible as I age. If I have to pay attention to my body and make changes to my training, so be it. No ego involved and no worries about if someone makes fun of what we do. If it's enjoyable that's all that's important.
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Post by jrmeatplow on Jun 21, 2021 10:05:39 GMT
I have some stuff to say on this. I'll be 46 in few months and I am on the best gains roll I've had since I was in my 20s. The manner in which I have been training over the past 7-8 months has definitely put size on me and I am much stronger in my lower body lifts. My upper body work is on its way back to all time best poundage's and looking to possibly even pass a few there. I stopped grinding the same worn out big 4 that had some to a stand still physically and mentally.
I train 2x per week and rotate the main lifts every week on a 4 week rotation. Within these rotations I also have variations by using chains, bands, and specialty bars. So, I am not doing the same lifts over and over causing overuse injuries and avoiding the law of accommodation. Its really just a variant of WSB conjugate, just without the speed work.
In training I work up to a heavy single, most of time its something I could hit for 2-3 reps. After that I drop to 70% of whatever that single is and do my rep work. For upper its 1-3 sets and for lower usually just 1 set. Nothing to failure, just hard honest sets. The real deal here is that I've been much more focused on accessory work and single joint work, things we're told to disregard by the 5x5 cookie cutter crowd.
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Post by stormshadow on Jun 21, 2021 14:57:58 GMT
I had to stop deadlifting as no matter how careful I was, I’d hurt my back. Heaviest thing I do now is 40 kilos added on dips. Another reason I stopped chasing heavier weights when I realised it made no difference to my muscle size. Or to put it another way, I realised I could get to same result using lighter weights. That said, some of the bodyweight stuff I do is challenging. That happens to a lot of people Whiffet. One thing that can let you still do it and get a lot of the benefits is to do a rack pull or basically pull it from just under your knee cap. For many people a trap or hex bar can work too as well as dumbbell dead lifts. But there is no exercise one HAS to do for results. That is often said about the three powerlifts. Many people F themselves up by the relentless pursuit of those three. I personally like doing the deadlift with bands now for some reason. It feels better on my lower back now.
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Post by mozietoes on Jun 21, 2021 15:49:18 GMT
Lifting heavy may not make you bigger but some of us don't care about being bigger. There's some satisfaction that I've experienced adding lbs. to my lifts. I'm not lifting heavy now and am not sure I'll return to it, but if I did, I'd likely do a routine that I did in the past that contributed to load gains. I call it singles progressions. I take a lift and after warming up the movement with a bar only weight, I then give myself between 8 to 10 singles attempts, starting light and progressing up to either a 1RM test or close to it. I allow plenty of rest time between single attempts. Then, I close out the workout with a weight that's maybe 65 percent of my 1RM and bang out reps to failure. This workout never left me drained. I also had good success doing Steve Justa's workout modified for KB OHP. I shared a link to that workout recently. I'm not a big fan of hypertrophy training so heavier loads and low reps meets my training preference. Hey Pierini. Have you got the link to Steve Justas KB OHP mod???
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Post by pierinifitness on Jun 21, 2021 15:54:02 GMT
Lifting heavy may not make you bigger but some of us don't care about being bigger. There's some satisfaction that I've experienced adding lbs. to my lifts. I'm not lifting heavy now and am not sure I'll return to it, but if I did, I'd likely do a routine that I did in the past that contributed to load gains. I call it singles progressions. I take a lift and after warming up the movement with a bar only weight, I then give myself between 8 to 10 singles attempts, starting light and progressing up to either a 1RM test or close to it. I allow plenty of rest time between single attempts. Then, I close out the workout with a weight that's maybe 65 percent of my 1RM and bang out reps to failure. This workout never left me drained. I also had good success doing Steve Justa's workout modified for KB OHP. I shared a link to that workout recently. I'm not a big fan of hypertrophy training so heavier loads and low reps meets my training preference. Hey Pierini. Have you got the link to Steve Justas KB OHP mod??? Ask and ye shall receive. www.strongfirst.com/justas-singles-strategy-adapted-to-double-kettlebell-pressing/
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Post by mozietoes on Jun 21, 2021 16:43:28 GMT
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