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Post by macky on Jun 15, 2021 3:49:27 GMT
I think denis had a fair summary of Trump in his long paragraph. As always, there are some good things that "Trump did" (as though he did them all by himself) but I can't see much in denis' summary that isn't true.That 'summary' is pretty much ALL not true. Trump's accomplishments while in office are too numerous to list, so here's a video for you, good luck trying to repudiate it... I wouldn't trust anything balanced to come out of Newsmax. It's completely Trump supportive, even parroting his "election fraud" rhetoric. Of course, the voting machine companies are going to bring lawsuits against Newsmax, because as usual, there's no evidence of fraud anywhere to be found. 60 Courts of law confirmed that, even the Supreme Court. And I've said before that Trump has undoubtedly done some good things. No argument. If some of those good are listed in the video, well and good.
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Post by macky on Jun 15, 2021 3:59:20 GMT
I've no doubt that many hard working blue collar Americans think that Trump is the tops. And they are entitled to. Like I've said, Trump did some good things, like any Prez. But instead of reflections on what other people (particularly supporters) think of Trump, and other comments that focus on the commentators instead of the substance, let's go through what denis posted and try and find anything in it that's actually wrong.
Like I told Denis, pretty much his entire post is filled with fallacies Macky. And I see that for some reason you skipped over the video that I posted inviting you to repudiate Trump's numerous accomplishments (?) Well let's deal with some of those "fallacies" for a sample shall we ? Btw mate, sorry for missing that "repudiation" message. I've just replied. I'm not repudiating any of Trump's accomplishments anyway. Why should I ? Every prez has done some good things, including Trump, no doubt. Done some bad things too.
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Post by Magnus on Jun 15, 2021 8:33:03 GMT
That 'summary' is pretty much ALL not true. Trump's accomplishments while in office are too numerous to list, so here's a video for you, good luck trying to repudiate it... I wouldn't trust anything balanced to come out of Newsmax. It's completely Trump supportive, even parroting his "election fraud" rhetoric. Of course, the voting machine companies are going to bring lawsuits against Newsmax, because as usual, there's no evidence of fraud anywhere to be found. 60 Courts of law confirmed that, even the Supreme Court. And I've said before that Trump has undoubtedly done some good things. No argument. If some of those good are listed in the video, well and good. Those are Trump’s indisputable accomplishments regardless of the video’s media source.
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Post by macky on Jun 15, 2021 8:42:58 GMT
I wouldn't trust anything balanced to come out of Newsmax. It's completely Trump supportive, even parroting his "election fraud" rhetoric. Of course, the voting machine companies are going to bring lawsuits against Newsmax, because as usual, there's no evidence of fraud anywhere to be found. 60 Courts of law confirmed that, even the Supreme Court. And I've said before that Trump has undoubtedly done some good things. No argument. If some of those good are listed in the video, well and good. Those are Trump’s indisputable accomplishments regardless of the video’s media source. Have you checked with the appropriate agencies one or two of them, as samples ? Or have you taken as gospel Newsmax as a totally reliable MSM of the right-leaning kind ? I mean, I'm prepared to believe you, Mags. No worries there. But I'm not prepared to take as gospel 100% from a news outlet that supports the "election fraud" rhetoric. And remember, many of the supporters and backers of Newsmax when it got started were military high ranks, and the retired head of the CIA, our old 'friends". In other words, supporters of the PTB, the ones that really pull the strings.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 15, 2021 8:45:41 GMT
The evidence of the election fraud is overwhelming. We've already sorted that out thoroughly several months ago, macky, m8. No, the courts where Trump's legal team presented (his team was NOT entreating 60 courts) did NOT confirm that there is no evidence.
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Post by Magnus on Jun 15, 2021 8:56:32 GMT
That 'summary' is pretty much ALL not true. Trump's accomplishments while in office are too numerous to list, so here's a video for you, good luck trying to repudiate it... I wouldn't trust anything balanced to come out of Newsmax. It's completely Trump supportive, even parroting his "election fraud" rhetoric. Of course, the voting machine companies are going to bring lawsuits against Newsmax, b ecause as usual, there's no evidence of fraud anywhere to be found. 60 Courts of law confirmed that, even the Supreme Court. If you put your prejudice's aside you'd see that there's tons of evidence that the election was tampered with, and it most definitely was. The Supreme Court refused to hear the post-election fraud cases filed by President Donald Trump's legal team including those cases filed by the GOP, that's a far cry from 'confirming' that there wasn't any fraud.
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Post by macky on Jun 15, 2021 10:31:57 GMT
It's normal for any court to hear a summary of what the lawsuits intend to bring and argue. If the summary doesn't support any further action, the court will dismiss the lawsuit based on the summary not bringing anything to court of any substance.
That happened 60 times at the courts not only run by dem judges, but rep ones as well.
So obviously there was nothing in it from a legal point of view, and that was that.
If there was proven tampering or fraud via Dominion et al machines, then why are they bringing Newsmax to court for spreading a conspiracy theory that virtually began well before the election via Trump asserting that the only way he would lose is through fraud ?
And if in fact it was a jack-up, then both dems and reps were in on it, which goes to back up my opinion that the PTB wanted Trump out of it and gone. Why ? Because after 70 + years of American global expansionism and corporate plundering of countries around the world to support a consumer society which uses a quarter of the world's resources, and made the PTB super-rich, Trump wanted to bring everything back to America and started alienating America's allies, further exposing the free world to China and Russia.
Either way, Trump was gone, and Biden is currently reuniting Europe and America as staunch allies against the continuing Chinese aggression, and Russia's continued hacking of important American assets in the homeland.
Wouldn't that be what you want ? I certainly do, as a citizen of the Five Eyes group of countries. I don't want any fucking Chinese regime taking over, like it has been steadily for years now.
The voting system in America might be fraudulent, but it's still better than Chinese autocratic and authoritarian rule.
Btw, I'm in the center. I like a a bit of conservatism and a bit of authentic socialism. That's not prejudice, and I've said often that I'm sure that Trump did some good things. Where he went wrong was acting directly against 70 + years of PTB wealth gathering and global influence. Otherwise, "they" would have made sure that Trump won.
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Post by Magnus on Jun 15, 2021 11:04:41 GMT
It's normal for any court to hear a summary of what the lawsuits intend to bring and argue. If the summary doesn't support any further action, the court will dismiss the lawsuit based on the summary not bringing anything to court of any substance. That happened 60 times at the courts not only run by dem judges, but rep ones as well. So obviously there was nothing in it from a legal point of view, and that was that. That isn't why the courts wouldn't hear the cases...
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Post by Magnus on Jun 15, 2021 11:09:28 GMT
If there was proven tampering or fraud via Dominion et al machines, then why are they bringing Newsmax to court for spreading a conspiracy theory that virtually began well before the election via Trump asserting that the only way he would lose is through fraud ? It's not a "conspiracy theory", go and take an unbiased look at the evidence for yourself. And Dominion can sue anyone they want, it's their right, however they're opening themselves up to countersuits, so things are going to get interesting...
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Post by billfish on Jun 15, 2021 12:05:44 GMT
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Post by macky on Jun 15, 2021 20:06:49 GMT
If there was proven tampering or fraud via Dominion et al machines, then why are they bringing Newsmax to court for spreading a conspiracy theory that virtually began well before the election via Trump asserting that the only way he would lose is through fraud ? It's not a "conspiracy theory", go and take an unbiased look at the evidence for yourself. And Dominion can sue anyone they want, it's their right, however they're opening themselves up to countersuits, so things are going to get interesting... I'm hearing you Mags, and I repeat that I am not biased. But like QAnon, the "election fraud' theme is conspiracy theory until solid proof is presented that it's true. You also haven't provided any links that I can scan as evidence for the "stolen election" rhetoric. And with Newsmax ranting on about it, why haven't they broadcast any solid proof, themselves ? It's not under any court order for silence, and The People as a collective whole would believe it then, once enough of the evidence was presented to everyone. I've said that I'm happy to believe election fraud once there's enough evidence. In fact the ones that continue to believe it without solid evidence are the ones who are biased, not myself. Even a cursory glance at election/voter fraud and manipulation in the US shows a long history of it. It's nothing new. But at the last, election fraud or not, Trump was isolating America bit by bit from its allies and militarily, that is a serious mistake. Withdrawing from the Middle East simply lets China in and already a 25 year "co-operation" agreement has been signed by China and Iran. That's serious. China has proven via Hong Kong that is has no intention of sticking to its "one nation, two economies" agreement, and is expanding out through the seas with armed ships terrorizing other nations' fishing boats and invading their ocean territories. Commercially, the world is a giant co-op, and China has emerged as a new powerhouse of industrial might, holding much of America's needs (cheap goods so that American families can make ends meet) and certainly holding controlling interests in at least 2400 American companies. China depends on American trade as well as well as expanding its own empire commercially, and American ex-pats living in Asia have expressed their observations that America is pretty much finished in Asia, apart from the trade deals. China and America are commercially interconnected, and a populist leader who is really only a company 'businessman' and who never understood global concerns tried to do something that was directly against the global economy, and the last 70 + years of American expansionism, also leaving holes in the world that were rapidly filled by China. The PTB didn't like it. Trump had to go, fraudulent election or not. The European (and Australasian) nations are much happier now that America is re-establishing and confirming NATO and other agreements that were abolished (or pending) under the last administration, Russia always a threat, as China is globally, now. Whatever is wrong in the world, you had a choice between someone who is trying to get on with everyone and unite The People (mistakes notwithstanding), confirming America's allies as a solid buffer to autocratic and authoritarian rule, or someone who exploited differences everywhere he could inside the Homeland, and tried to effectively isolate America from the rest of the world.
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Post by Magnus on Jun 16, 2021 2:55:40 GMT
It's not a "conspiracy theory", go and take an unbiased look at the evidence for yourself. And Dominion can sue anyone they want, it's their right, however they're opening themselves up to countersuits, so things are going to get interesting... I'm hearing you Mags, and I repeat that I am not biased. But like QAnon, the "election fraud' theme is conspiracy theory until solid proof is presented that it's true. You also haven't provided any links that I can scan as evidence for the "stolen election" rhetoric. The evidence is out there but you know how that old saying about leading the horse to the water goes...? Here's an interesting 'audit' that went around soon after the election, but of course the messengers were attacked and it got shot down by your 'PTB'...maybe it'll surface again in one of the countersuits ? www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf
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Post by macky on Jun 16, 2021 5:04:23 GMT
I'm hearing you Mags, and I repeat that I am not biased. But like QAnon, the "election fraud' theme is conspiracy theory until solid proof is presented that it's true. You also haven't provided any links that I can scan as evidence for the "stolen election" rhetoric. The evidence is out there but you know how that old saying about leading the horse to the water goes...? Here's an interesting 'audit' that went around soon after the election, but of course the messengers were attacked and it got shot down by your 'PTB'...maybe it'll surface again in one of the countersuits ? www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdfNo "water" has been provided until now, in this latest discussion of election fraud. I hope it does surface again in a countersuit to Dominion's et al. We'll see how this "audit" stands up in a court of law. In the meantime : "ASOG is a group of globally engaged professionals who come from various disciplines to include Department of Defense, Secret Service, Department of Homeland Security, and the Central Intelligence Agency. " You couldn't have much more right wingers than that. Ramsland himself is a solid Republican businessman. Hardly what one would call "an unbiased group of Globalists". I'm also interested in why would several examples of redaction occur in the later parts of the report. Why redact evidence when the ASOG report complains about "removal of election records etc"? Once again, test it in court and we'll see whether Dominion or the ASOG wins. Btw, the Dept Of Homeland Security cleared the election results as bona fide, so if one or more "globally engaged professionals" in the group come from DOHS, then they are working directly against their own department. Should be weeded out and asked some pertinent questions, I think. For instance "who are you actually working for ?" www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/12/17/these-are-the-voter-fraud-claims-trump-tried-and-failed-to-overturn-the-election-with/?sh=67327758c5aa
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Post by Magnus on Jun 16, 2021 12:19:41 GMT
No "water" has been provided until now, in this latest discussion of election fraud. I hope it does surface again in a countersuit to Dominion's et al. We'll see how this "audit" stands up in a court of law. In the meantime : "ASOG is a group of globally engaged professionals who come from various disciplines to include Department of Defense, Secret Service, Department of Homeland Security, and the Central Intelligence Agency. " You couldn't have much more right wingers than that. Ramsland himself is a solid Republican businessman. Hardly what one would call "an unbiased group of Globalists". I'm also interested in why would several examples of redaction occur in the later parts of the report. Why redact evidence when the ASOG report complains about "removal of election records etc"? Once again, test it in court and we'll see whether Dominion or the ASOG wins. Btw, the Dept Of Homeland Security cleared the election results as bona fide, so if one or more "globally engaged professionals" in the group come from DOHS, then they are working directly against their own department. Right, because we all know that out of all of the incompetent government agencies, the agency that's afflicted with the lowest morale of any large federal agency is the most trusted and believable.... www.washingtonpost.com/politics/homeland-security-has-done-little-for-low-morale-but-study-it--repeatedly/2015/02/20/f626eba8-b15c-11e4-886b-c22184f27c35_story.html
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Post by Magnus on Jun 16, 2021 12:33:20 GMT
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