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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Jun 6, 2021 5:11:32 GMT
"Ten gallon hats, six shooters, chaps and clanging spurs"
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Post by moxohol on Jun 6, 2021 7:57:58 GMT
Why does the USA still need a Congress anyways? All they do is gerrymander districts constantly to suit whoever the prevailing power is vested in. It's outdated like macky said. Dissolve the US Congress & have its functions devolve back to the state legislatures. U still have proportional representation there & the local polity is more adept with the geography. Retain the US Senate as ambassadors of their respective states & state interests. This is now the age of Internet, mass communication & transportation. People can vote on referendums from their smart phones on the fly. Congress doesn't write or read any of the law bills it passes anyways & hasn't done so in decades. K Street, DC does! Abolish Congress & u abolish K Street lobbyists in one fell swoop & all the related issues that go with it. U guys need another Constitutional Convention at the state level.
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Post by macky on Jun 6, 2021 8:13:17 GMT
I'm saying that using nonsensical reasoning to justify AR-15's, especially from a judge, is plain hogwash. Macky I saw some of the judge's statement.....he never justified the AR-15.....he did defend hunting rifles and blamed the media for stirring things up I would defend hunting rifles too. Farmers need them, and the media does stir thing up. But the statement in the link given : ""Like the Swiss Army Knife, the popular AR-15 rifle is a perfect combination of home defense weapon and homeland defense equipment," Benitez said..." That's the hogwash bit.
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Post by macky on Jun 6, 2021 8:23:11 GMT
I'm not arguing about an outdated 200+ year old Constitution that was formulated in a vastly different day, another age. The U.S. Constitution in NOT outdated....it is the foundation of this country and the people who wrote it were light-years ahead of the fools running this country today No, they were light-years BEHIND the PTB that run America today. They could never have foreseen the 2021 America as it is today. And if it's the foundation of America, then someone should take resolute action against the rioters on Jan 6. They didn't think much of the Constitution. Hang on, they ARE taking action. The FBI has charged over 400 as we speak. Not all, but with some of them like that idiot that had 11 bottles of Molotov cocktail in his van, I hope he spends the rest of his life inside looking out.
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Post by macky on Jun 6, 2021 8:34:15 GMT
"Ten gallon hats, six shooters, chaps and clanging spurs" That's the gay cowboy that rode into town and shot up the sheriff wasn't it ? They couldn't charge him because he was within the Law. And the other gay cowboy that put his chaps on backwards etc.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 6, 2021 10:10:59 GMT
The U.S. Constitution in NOT outdated....it is the foundation of this country and the people who wrote it were light-years ahead of the fools running this country today No, they were light-years BEHIND the PTB that run America today. They could never have foreseen the 2021 America as it is today. ...... They didn't need to forsee anything. It was written on principles that don't change. That's what common law is. Unalienable/Inalienable rights we have simply because we are human beings. Those rights will never change, and neither will common law, as long as we are human. Like I posted earlier: "The Constitution is merely common law put in place to restrict government over reach into peoples' lives. As long as a person doesn't cause harm to another person or their property, they are free to do as they please and own whatever they wish and can afford."
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 6, 2021 11:27:23 GMT
..... The FBI has charged over 400 as we speak. ..... Oh good, cause we know we can depend on the honor and integrity under which the FBI operates, right m8?
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Post by macky on Jun 6, 2021 11:49:29 GMT
No, they were light-years BEHIND the PTB that run America today. They could never have foreseen the 2021 America as it is today. ...... They didn't need to forsee anything. It was written on principles that don't change. That's what common law is. Unalienable/Inalienable rights we have simply because we are human beings. Those rights will never change, and neither will common law, as long as we are human. Like I posted earlier: "The Constitution is merely common law put in place to restrict government over reach into peoples' lives. As long as a person doesn't cause harm to another person or their property, they are free to do as they please and own whatever they wish and can afford." Well it hasn't worked has it ? Govt over-reach is everywhere right now as we speak. Nothing you do on the Net is private, the govt computers are recording everything you say over the phone, and everything you print on the Net. The Covid emergency is proving to be "govt" over-reach, is it not ? And the govt is firmly in the hands of unelected PTB members who also control the MSM, because they own it. A Constitution written when the US was 13 States ? What about the cyber-state that operates 24/7 ? The banking "products" such as the Forex market ? The power is in the banks and Big Business, for which any late 1700's visualization in a Constitution write-up is passe'. Like Mox sez, it needs to be updated to take in modern-day America. Common law only goes so far. Pretty soon, other complications like the scenarios and effects of modern science begin to muddy the mix, for one. America was also changed forever when Wilson threw all the power into the bankers.
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Post by macky on Jun 6, 2021 12:02:26 GMT
..... The FBI has charged over 400 as we speak. ..... Oh good, cause we know we can depend on the honor and integrity under which the FBI operates, right m8? Certainly not, re their FD-302 form, as I've often said which is Police State, and which is right in people's faces but hardly anyone knows or complains. They would rather indulge and believe in half-witted conspiracy theories like QAnon etc. But just like the Police, now and then the FBI actually do their job properly, and those that were photographed (or took their own photos and popped them out on Facebook or where-ever) have been charged and are facing Court action, as they work their way through them. Like they should. You want a Common Law Constitution that protects people's rights. Then protect your democracy and govt due process for what was probably one of the most secure elections ever in US history, not that that is much, since many US elections have been cooked. I mean, what was that idiot thinking when he brought the Molotov cocktails to the Capitol ? And the scaffold they had for Pence ? Those that had cable ties. Who were they going to detain with those ? And btw, your friends made it as far as the doors, which implies they were keen on getting inside. Why ? What did they think they would achieve by invading the interior of the Capitol ? Stop the steal ??
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Post by moxohol on Jun 6, 2021 14:18:01 GMT
The US Constitution was necessary because the customs & traditions that had developed in England over the centuries evolved by "Constitutional Convention" & to the present day they are governed by them. America had no such institutional framework. So, the Foundering Fathers had to make them from scratch....a constitution.
What's taken place is the broad interpretations of the Constitution & canceling out the concept of Original Intent. Also, the concept of checks & balances has been watered down & the imposition of administrative law which is allowed to supersede Constitutional law. U have the executive making treaties without Senate ratification & engaging in war without congressional approvals. The legislative branch has abdicated its powers & devolved them onto the executive branch plus a host of other examples to name a few.
Is it any wonder your US Federal Government is fucked up? No one is taking them to task on it. The states need to ratify a Constitutional Convention & create an amendment which is still perfectly legal to do. SCOTUS has no say on it nor Congress.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 6, 2021 15:53:49 GMT
Oh good, cause we know we can depend on the honor and integrity under which the FBI operates, right m8? Certainly not, re their FD-302 form, as I've often said which is Police State, and which is right in people's faces but hardly anyone knows or complains. They would rather indulge and believe in half-witted conspiracy theories like QAnon etc. But just like the Police, now and then the FBI actually do their job properly, and those that were photographed (or took their own photos and popped them out on Facebook or where-ever) have been charged and are facing Court action, as they work their way through them. Like they should. You want a Common Law Constitution that protects people's rights. Then protect your democracy and govt due process for what was probably one of the most secure elections ever in US history, not that that is much, since many US elections have been cooked. I mean, what was that idiot thinking when he brought the Molotov cocktails to the Capitol ? And the scaffold they had for Pence ? Those that had cable ties. Who were they going to detain with those ? And btw, your friends made it as far as the doors, which implies they were keen on getting inside. Why ? What did they think they would achieve by invading the interior of the Capitol ? Stop the steal ????? "Now and then" the police and FBI actually do their job properly? Otherwise, it's in-your-face police state 24/7/365? So, doing their jobs properly is more like an accident then? How did you verify that in this particular "now and then" circumstance, you have identified that the FBI took a flyer and is doing their job of processing everything properly? Were you there? Did you have vetted agents or correspondents on the scene? How did you determine that most of the time, police do not perform properly?
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Post by macky on Jun 6, 2021 19:41:38 GMT
Certainly not, re their FD-302 form, as I've often said which is Police State, and which is right in people's faces but hardly anyone knows or complains. They would rather indulge and believe in half-witted conspiracy theories like QAnon etc. But just like the Police, now and then the FBI actually do their job properly, and those that were photographed (or took their own photos and popped them out on Facebook or where-ever) have been charged and are facing Court action, as they work their way through them. Like they should. You want a Common Law Constitution that protects people's rights. Then protect your democracy and govt due process for what was probably one of the most secure elections ever in US history, not that that is much, since many US elections have been cooked. I mean, what was that idiot thinking when he brought the Molotov cocktails to the Capitol ? And the scaffold they had for Pence ? Those that had cable ties. Who were they going to detain with those ? And btw, your friends made it as far as the doors, which implies they were keen on getting inside. Why ? What did they think they would achieve by invading the interior of the Capitol ? Stop the steal ?? "Now and then" the police and FBI actually do their job properly? Otherwise, it's in-your-face police state 24/7/365? So, doing their jobs properly is more like an accident then? How did you verify that in this particular "now and then" circumstance, you have identified that the FBI took a flyer and is doing their job of processing everything properly? Were you there? Did you have vetted agents or correspondents on the scene? How did you determine that most of the time, police do not perform properly? "Now and then" is just a sarcastic comment in response to what I perceived to be an equally mild sarcastic comment re your original statement " Oh good, cause we know we can depend on the honor and integrity under which the FBI operates, right m8?" You haven't addressed my questions re the Capitol riot, nor what your friends thought they would achieve by "making it as far as the doors", implying that they intended to get inside the building. What did they think they were going to do ? And has the FBI caught up with them yet ? I'm not saying they were violent, and in fact I take your word for it that they actually stopped some of the violence. But why were they there, and "made it as far as the doors" ? And what did the Molotov cocktail man think he was going to do, and the guys with cable ties ?
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 6, 2021 21:06:36 GMT
"Now and then" the police and FBI actually do their job properly? Otherwise, it's in-your-face police state 24/7/365? So, doing their jobs properly is more like an accident then? How did you verify that in this particular "now and then" circumstance, you have identified that the FBI took a flyer and is doing their job of processing everything properly? Were you there? Did you have vetted agents or correspondents on the scene? How did you determine that most of the time, police do not perform properly? "Now and then" is just a sarcastic comment in response to what I perceived to be an equally mild sarcastic comment re your original statement " Oh good, cause we know we can depend on the honor and integrity under which the FBI operates, right m8?" You haven't addressed my questions re the Capitol riot, nor what your friends thought they would achieve by "making it as far as the doors", implying that they intended to get inside the building. What did they think they were going to do ? And has the FBI caught up with them yet ? I'm not saying they were violent, and in fact I take your word for it that they actually stopped some of the violence. But why were they there, and "made it as far as the doors" ? And what did the Molotov cocktail man think he was going to do, and the guys with cable ties ? As far as I know, their intentions were to protest the fraudulent election results along with all of the other peaceful protestors. When they reached the Capitol blg, the cops were giving tours, taking pictures with visitors phones while they posed with statues and they, at first, hoped to get in on that, as I recall. Here's what I asked sarcastically: "Oh good, cause we know we can depend on the honor and integrity under which the FBI operates, right m8?" Here's what you said: " Certainly not, re their FD-302 form, as I've often said which is Police State, and which is right in people's faces but hardly anyone knows or complains. They would rather indulge and believe in half-witted conspiracy theories like QAnon etc. But just like the Police, now and then the FBI actually do their job properly, and those that were photographed (or took their own photos and popped them out on Facebook or where-ever) have been charged and are facing Court action, as they work their way through them." You're acknowledging the fact that they rarely do their job properly and have made it clear in other posts about other events. Now my questions are these pertaining to this unusual dispatch of duty: How did you verify that in this particular circumstance FBI did their job properly for a change? What proves to you that their actions and procedures in examining this event have the utmost integrity that was lacking in they way they handled 911, etc? How did you determine that most of the time, police do not perform properly - or was the police inclusion the funny sarcastic part? I assume you have some reliable facts to support?
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Post by macky on Jun 7, 2021 9:02:05 GMT
I've been perfectly clear that "certainly not" refers to the FBI FD-302 form. The rest is mild sarcasm re the FBI and Police. Of course they do their job properly most of the time.
One can rightly assert that ANY FBI investigation, which includes 9-11, TWA-800, Kennedy etc that involves the FD-302 form used in Courts of law calls into question the whole investigation, since the interview that the FD-302 form is made up from is not recorded, only written down by one agent while the other asked questions.
Once that FD-302 form hits the Court (or maybe even before then, perhaps on completion and stamped) the form is unable to be changed by the interviewee, or even checked before presentation to the Court. If the interviewee tries to change it, he/she is either trying to tamper with the law, or didn't tell the truth when he/she was interviewed.
There have been complaints to the media that what the interviewee has told the FBI interviewers is quite different than what was presented in Court as their "word".
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 7, 2021 16:07:55 GMT
June 3, 2021. Mom in Camel NY fights back against teaching critical race theory to children in schools:
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