At times, certainly. But the proliferation of firearms in America means that when someone falls off his trolley and goes on the rampage, there will most likely be a firearm around that he can get his hands on easily.
Restrict the guns to lawful, registered, persons of good character and clean record. Register the firearms, including the reasons(s) why they are being purchased, then send law enforcement, including the military into areas of high crime after a period of amnesty where anybody can turn in their weapons, no questions asked.
Anybody found with unregistered weapons and/or a license to possess, impound the weapon and book 'em with a solid fine, or jail.
No firearms at peaceful protests. Anybody found carrying, mandatory jail.
I don't understand the nastiness of people out there on the road So many people who think nothing of giving other drivers the finger People make mistakes, actually drive at the speed limit, don't tailgate to make the speeder behind you happy etc But there are assholes out there who have to give the finger ......why ? I recently had a guy in an RV barreling up behind me at high speed, and although I was already doing 60 in a 50 mph zone, he got right up as close as he could without hitting me Mind you, I was also in the right lane ! He finally pulled over and passed me and as he went past I glanced over at him.....both him and a woman passenger were giving me the finger while yelling "Fuck you ! " While I don't think people should get shot for giving the finger, there are some who definitely deserve to get their fingers broken !
I agree. It's just so pathetic. I drove a million kilometres in the 90's decade in the course of my telecom job around the Auckland metro area and nearby towns. Went through three Toyota vans. The ones who I found were the most aggressive drivers were young women in their twenties. But when I did find a guy who was making an arsehole of himself, it was really a bad deal that could have got much worse. I had to swallow it up and simply report him, either to his boss, or to the police.
And what's the use of driving up behind someone so close ? You're not gonna get anywhere any faster, and when you overtake and roar off, the bloke who you got all shitty at will be right behind you at the next red light. Crazy !
It’s mind boggling that someone will pull out a gun and shoot at a random stranger, simply because they may have cut them off on the road. Taking it so personally.
Eight years ago on a Friday afternoon in June, I was rear ended sitting at a red light by a black woman in her late 50's. She did not live in my area as she stated it on the police report. She said she felt sick all day and needed dog food that was in a store 20 miles away from her home (per her address on the police report) and came out to my area for it. She smashed her small Hyundai into the rear of my SUV up and under. I felt the hit, but did not feel anything at the time. I waited several minutes and was the one who exited my vehicle first. She did not even apologize or ask if I was ok.
Six months later, almost to the day, I woke up with horrible pain from the back of my head down my back radiating into the back of the legs on down. From this point on I have had back issues. I wish I had pushed for her to take a sobriety test as I thought she seemed out of it. I just wanted to get home to my wife and kids. My wife had been diagnosed with cancer about a month earlier. This was second of three bad things to happen that spring.
In the town I live in I see aggression all around. I just try and stay away as much as I can.
Moral of the story - stay away from all the bad stuff because even if you are in the right, you can lose.
It’s mind boggling that someone will pull out a gun and shoot at a random stranger, simply because they may have cut them off on the road. Taking it so personally.
As if there will be no consequences.
Because guns don't teach or force u to think. It's effortless to pull a trigger. Going at each other with machetes is a different story. Your ass is on the line then if u mess up.
A fine example of why guns don't force u to think. This man had money, a house, a car, perhaps even property. It doesn't state otherwise that the guns in his possession were legal. He threw it all away for a few minutes of personal gratification because it was too easy to drop the hammer on someone. I'll bet my life if he had to go head up with somebody he'd have backed down in a heartbeat.
Yeah.....he's an example of one. A kook. Unfortunately, this officer didn't position himself correctly & dialog with the suspect should have sidelined until the cuffs were on. His partner should have had a bead on him already or had his firearm hidden behind the clipboard.
At times, certainly. But the proliferation of firearms in America means that when someone falls off his trolley and goes on the rampage, there will most likely be a firearm around that he can get his hands on easily.
Restrict the guns to lawful, registered, persons of good character and clean record. Register the firearms, including the reasons(s) why they are being purchased, then send law enforcement, including the military into areas of high crime after a period of amnesty where anybody can turn in their weapons, no questions asked.
Anybody found with unregistered weapons and/or a license to possess, impound the weapon and book 'em with a solid fine, or jail.
No firearms at peaceful protests. Anybody found carrying, mandatory jail.
"Where the people fear government you have tyranny; where the government fears the people you have liberty."
William Pitt: "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human liberty; it is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
No restrictions. No registrations. No infringements of the Constitution allowed, including Article IV. Restrictions do not deter criminals. Do you really think the bad guys won't know they're coming and will wait around for the military to show up? Ha! The rise in crime that occurs when what you're proposing is enacted as policy produces the areas of highest crime and only makes it more difficult and discouraging for good people to arm themselves. What's that saying about insanity? .... doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results. Yeah, no need to repeat the failures of the past in new places. We already know it doesn't work.
No need for me to type it all out again when I can just copy/paste, so that's what I'll do from here on ...... just a heads up.
“The Constitution shall never be construed… to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.” – Samuel Adams
“…arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside… Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them….” – Thomas Paine
“To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them…”- Richard Henry Lee
“The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States.” – Noah Webster
“A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential, particularly military, supplies.” – George Washington
“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.” – Thomas Jefferson
“The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” – Thomas Jefferson
“I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.” – George Mason
“A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves …” – Richard Henry Lee
“The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.”- Zachariah Johnson
As we have witnessed quite vividly over the past year (if paying attention) is that governments will use any excuse to incrementally remove liberty. What you're suggesting is just another small step toward slavery, which we already know, heralds another, which will herald another, etc, etc. Every infringement we allow just makes them bolder to remove more until one day you end up with a Socialist Youth Party head, lying despot and genocidal compliant tyrant like Jacinda.
"If you can't feel the muscle working .... it isn't." Bill "Huge" Davis "Exercise to feel pleasantly fatigued."
"Good and upright is the Lord; therefore, He instructs sinners in His ways. He guides the humble in what is right and teaches them His way." Ps 25:8,9 NIV "I shall not die, but live, And declare the works of the LORD." Ps 118:17
Ah well, mikey. Just carry on loving your Constitution and the "moral" excuse it provides for all the millions of guns in the US, most of them unregistered.
Recently we had a guy run amok with a knife in a supermarket. He managed to stab-wound a few people but was over-powered by brave shoppers and brought under control. Obviously someone who needed medical treatment.
If he had had a gun, nobody would have got near him and he would have killed many people. As I've said, a knife has a short range and the victim or target has a chance. With a gun there is very little chance and you can be killed at the far end of the aisle.
At the last, the stats speak for themselves with the sheer numbers of deaths every year from mass shootings and single shootings in the US. It's far beyond any other country except perhaps third world.
1) Either the US is infested with more nutters and violent crims than any other "civilized" country in the world. If that's the case you have to ask "why?" Is the place an enormous loony bin ?
2) Or guns are far more easily at hand for use by said crims and nutters. No question about that.
Solution : Take the guns away from those other than legal and registered owners.
Re the military going into high-crime neighbourhoods. You're under-estimating your own military. They move in en masse as an armed force just like they were in an enemy town, and stay there until they've cleaned up the whole area, drugs, pushers, guns, etc house by house. Standard occupation. Any armed resistance, shoot to kill as normal. Sort the goodies out and leave them alone and take the crims and guns away.
You've had large military exercises in the American homeland, which included towns being occupied. So the military knows what to do, and is trained for it.
Change your Constitution into something that resembles reality in the 21st Century. It's not hard. It's been changed over 20 times already. The constitution was originally formed and ratified 60 years before the Civil War, when slavery was still on the go in many States. Since then, it's had changes.
Why not now ? And why not clean up those high-high crime areas as a service to all American society and the country as a whole ?
For the same reasons that the Covid vaccine is being pushed onto The People. Big Money. The high-crime areas are a large market place for the PTB and their drug pushing, and serve as an excuse to keep the gun laws the same. Large profits from the arms industry.
You're much more likey to be killed by MD directed treatment, m8.
The Constitution doesn't give me any moral excuse. It doesn't give me anything. The Constitution gives the limits to the government's involvement in my life. My morals come from God. I'm to do to, or for, others what I would want them to do to, or for, me. William Pitt: "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human liberty; it is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." I have no fear if my neighbors don't register guns and criminals will always have unregistered guns, so it's a ridiculous idea. Registration of people or guns only aids governments in violating the peoples' inalienable rights, making it more difficult for them to defend themselves, as we see in the areas that contribute heavily to your biased "statistics" ...... whatever those are that you're referencing for the "US".
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"If you can't feel the muscle working .... it isn't." Bill "Huge" Davis "Exercise to feel pleasantly fatigued."
"Good and upright is the Lord; therefore, He instructs sinners in His ways. He guides the humble in what is right and teaches them His way." Ps 25:8,9 NIV "I shall not die, but live, And declare the works of the LORD." Ps 118:17
We're not talking about "Higher Authority". We're on about the affairs of Man. You and I both have the same Upstairs values when it coms to how we treat others.
The point is, that crims certainly have illegal guns and always will. But usually they fight among themselves for control of territory, not use them on "civilians" here in NZ. My account of the guy running amok in a supermarket is a classic example of a No-gun situation which almost certainly would have been fatal for many had he had access to a gun.
The Constitution is also certainly a large part of your argument re gun control or the lack of. If martial law is declared, said Constitution is suspended. That can happen at any time.
Martial law is declared, the military move in and clean the place up, house by house, city by city. Then martial law is stood down and the Constitution restored. The military might not get every single gun or crim, but they certainly will get the bulk of them. At any rate, it would be an improvement and the World could look upon America as asserting its citizens' sovereign rights once again.
Right now nobody here has much confidence in America in general, and it's not only the fault of the PTB-owned MSM.
worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country US is not at the top by any means per capita, but it still has the highest number by far. Not to mention other shootings like road rage, which members here have already expressed dismay and wonder. And robbery.
I've been wanting to post this thought for a while but always forget.
We don't own a television and haven't in probably 15 years. The only time I watch television is when staying in a hotel on vacation (wife likes those house shows) or visiting and staying with someone who owns and uses a television. During a couple recent trips to California, I stayed with my brother and they have a television in each room. They're always on with one movie after another appearing. When visiting, I actually spent time in the living room with the television on and couldn't believe all the killing stuff that's on these movies. I'm not used to watching stuff like that. Nonetheless, while taking this stuff in, I couldn't help imagine that it must in some way make people who watch this stuff all the time numb to killings and people getting blown up. It's got to have some negative affect on the psyche of people who watch this crap all the time.
I get my television equivalent stuff on YouTube and have made a business decision that I'm going to be watching the 2021 Summer Olympics. I'm cherry picking the events that interest me but skip opening and closing ceremonies because I can imagine the nonsense there that'll be on display.
Everyone has free will to watch or not watch what television provides and that's the way it should be but the stuff I glanced at on television was absolutely terrible in my mind. Obviously my brother things differently.
I've been wanting to post this thought for a while but always forget.
We don't own a television and haven't in probably 15 years. The only time I watch television is when staying in a hotel on vacation (wife likes those house shows) or visiting and staying with someone who owns and uses a television. During a couple recent trips to California, I stayed with my brother and they have a television in each room. They're always on with one movie after another appearing. When visiting, I actually spent time in the living room with the television on and couldn't believe all the killing stuff that's on these movies. I'm not used to watching stuff like that. Nonetheless, while taking this stuff in, I couldn't help imagine that it must in some way make people who watch this stuff all the time numb to killings and people getting blown up. It's got to have some negative affect on the psyche of people who watch this crap all the time.
I get my television equivalent stuff on YouTube and have made a business decision that I'm going to be watching the 2021 Summer Olympics. I'm cherry picking the events that interest me but skip opening and closing ceremonies because I can imagine the nonsense there that'll be on display.
Everyone has free will to watch or not watch what television provides and that's the way it should be but the stuff I glanced at on television was absolutely terrible in my mind. Obviously my brother things differently.
I agree. I stopped watching TV years ago after my wife died (I only watched it with her, anyway) but the channels are full of violence. The kids games are always talking about "kill" etc and that surely must sink into their psych after a while.
We are fed the same stuff through games and TV that America gets, and all it takes is someone who is immune to the violence (used to seeing years of it) to get mad, or be on drugs, and they go on the rampage.
Because NZ gets the same stuff that America gets, why then is their far less shootings here than in America ? Our last big shooting was in fact a terrorist attack by an Australian who was of sub-human emotional content and a white supremacist. Other shootings this year have been gangsters shooting at each other. Nothing much else.
I think it's the lack of firearms, especially handguns that is the cause of that. In NZ, I mean.
I've been wanting to post this thought for a while but always forget.
We don't own a television and haven't in probably 15 years. The only time I watch television is when staying in a hotel on vacation (wife likes those house shows) or visiting and staying with someone who owns and uses a television. During a couple recent trips to California, I stayed with my brother and they have a television in each room. They're always on with one movie after another appearing. When visiting, I actually spent time in the living room with the television on and couldn't believe all the killing stuff that's on these movies. I'm not used to watching stuff like that. Nonetheless, while taking this stuff in, I couldn't help imagine that it must in some way make people who watch this stuff all the time numb to killings and people getting blown up. It's got to have some negative affect on the psyche of people who watch this crap all the time.
I get my television equivalent stuff on YouTube and have made a business decision that I'm going to be watching the 2021 Summer Olympics. I'm cherry picking the events that interest me but skip opening and closing ceremonies because I can imagine the nonsense there that'll be on display.
Everyone has free will to watch or not watch what television provides and that's the way it should be but the stuff I glanced at on television was absolutely terrible in my mind. Obviously my brother things differently.
I agree. I stopped watching TV years ago after my wife died (I only watched it with her, anyway) but the channels are full of violence. The kids games are always talking about "kill" etc and that surely must sink into their psych after a while.
We are fed the same stuff through games and TV that America gets, and all it takes is someone who is immune to the violence (used to seeing years of it) to get mad, or be on drugs, and they go on the rampage.
Because NZ gets the same stuff that America gets, why then is their far less shootings here than in America ? Our last big shooting was in fact a terrorist attack by an Australian who was of sub-human emotional content and a white supremacist. Other shootings this year have been gangsters shooting at each other. Nothing much else.
I think it's the lack of firearms, especially handguns that is the cause of that. In NZ, I mean.
Ah well, mikey. Just carry on loving your Constitution and the "moral" excuse it provides for all the millions of guns in the US, most of them unregistered.
Recently we had a guy run amok with a knife in a supermarket. He managed to stab-wound a few people but was over-powered by brave shoppers and brought under control. Obviously someone who needed medical treatment.
If he had had a gun, nobody would have got near him and he would have killed many people. As I've said, a knife has a short range and the victim or target has a chance. With a gun there is very little chance and you can be killed at the far end of the aisle.
At the last, the stats speak for themselves with the sheer numbers of deaths every year from mass shootings and single shootings in the US. It's far beyond any other country except perhaps third world.
1) Either the US is infested with more nutters and violent crims than any other "civilized" country in the world. If that's the case you have to ask "why?" Is the place an enormous loony bin ?
2) Or guns are far more easily at hand for use by said crims and nutters. No question about that.
Solution : Take the guns away from those other than legal and registered owners.
Re the military going into high-crime neighbourhoods. You're under-estimating your own military. They move in en masse as an armed force just like they were in an enemy town, and stay there until they've cleaned up the whole area, drugs, pushers, guns, etc house by house. Standard occupation. Any armed resistance, shoot to kill as normal. Sort the goodies out and leave them alone and take the crims and guns away.
You've had large military exercises in the American homeland, which included towns being occupied. So the military knows what to do, and is trained for it.
Change your Constitution into something that resembles reality in the 21st Century. It's not hard. It's been changed over 20 times already. The constitution was originally formed and ratified 60 years before the Civil War, when slavery was still on the go in many States. Since then, it's had changes.
Why not now ? And why not clean up those high-high crime areas as a service to all American society and the country as a whole ?
For the same reasons that the Covid vaccine is being pushed onto The People. Big Money. The high-crime areas are a large market place for the PTB and their drug pushing, and serve as an excuse to keep the gun laws the same. Large profits from the arms industry.
The constitution is not at fault. It's the technology. Back then u didn't have modern mass communication & transportation nor alot of leisure time. 80% of society was busting ass working agrarian pursuits. BTW, agriculture still has the highest death & injury rate per capita not law enforcement.
The child mortality rate(1) in the United States, for children under the age of five, was 462.9 deaths per thousand births in 1800. This means that for every thousand babies born in 1800, over 46 percent did not make it to their fifth birthday.
It was a different era with different values & definitions.
The underlying problem is with the increased leisure time, improved public health, the bad influence of corrupt propaganda & media culture. It's the people who poorly operate the system not the system itself. Just like a good car design is marred by poor drivers but not its causation.
The Floundering Fathers were by no means ignorant slave owning boinker hacks. They were educated men of their age imbued by the Age of Enlightenment. Many of them were familiar with the writings of John Locke & landmark caselaw like Somerset v Stewart which many took to heart. In fact, Thomas Jefferson burrowed heavily from John Locke's phraseology when he wrote the US Declaration of Independence.