moxohol
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Post by moxohol on May 26, 2021 11:19:50 GMT
But the estimated 390 million guns in "civilian" hands, most of them unregistered has to be the greatest show on Earth of a country bristling to the brim with weapons, and a siege mentality where ordinary citizens feel compelled to go even shopping downtown with some sort of weapon on their person. macky "Estimated 390 million guns" .....how did they come up with that number ? They sure didn't poll the public on who owns what ! And "sensible" gun owners must buy from a dealer and the gun must be registered with the federal government As has been said elsewhere...if legal gun owners were the problem, you would know it The people I know who own guns are good, responsible, sensible people who you would want as neighbors My wife and i both have permits to legally carry concealed, our guns are fully registered and we had to attend a firearms safety course to get the CC permit I don't like carrying a gun, just one more thing besides glasses, phone, keys etc, but in the present day America where the george floyds can run amuck and the police can't/won't get involved, a gun is the only thing protecting my wife, myself and our home. It's a sad state of affairs, but it is reality And I will not give up my gun.......especially as the government has done NOTHING to remove all the ILLEGAL guns from high crime areas, except pass laws restricting law abiding people from buying guns or ammo to protect themselves And the scum from those areas often prey on peaceful, law abiding people....especially those who are unarmed Does NZ have a major crime element like the U.S. ? I always thought that the whole purpose of having private gun registration & CC licensing in the 1st place was because it's understood that u can't seriously rely on cops being everywhere at once to protect u. What are u going to do in a crisis while Constable Dudley Do-Right comes charging to the rescue where minutes or even precious seconds count? Negotiate? Tap him lightly on the head until the lump comes out? Dim Mak touch? The answer seems rather obvious to me but what do I know?
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Post by mr potatohead on May 26, 2021 16:00:53 GMT
"Where the people fear government you have tyranny; where the government fears the people you have liberty."
William Pitt: "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human liberty; it is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
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Post by macky on May 26, 2021 19:26:30 GMT
That has nothing to do with the purpose of the Second Amendment, m8. Okay, then what was the purpose ? So that State militia's were entitled to arm themselves against unwelcome federal govt impositions ? ?
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Post by mr potatohead on May 26, 2021 21:14:27 GMT
"Was" and "were" do not apply to the Constitution since "We the People" have not abolished it and, as far as I know, "We the People" are not involved in any meaningful discussions to do so. Perhaps these people will answer your questions: “The Constitution shall never be construed… to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.” – Samuel Adams “…arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside… Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them….” – Thomas Paine “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them…”- Richard Henry Lee “The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States.” – Noah Webster “A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential, particularly military, supplies.” – George Washington “What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.” – Thomas Jefferson “The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” – Thomas Jefferson “I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.” – George Mason “A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves …” – Richard Henry Lee “The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.”- Zachariah Johnson
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Post by Deuce Gunner on May 26, 2021 21:57:19 GMT
I haven't any experience with firing shotguns but I read an article some years ago that American women police officers are being armed with 20-gauge shotguns instead of 12, because of the lesser recoil. I don't remember which states were supposed to be bringing them in for their female officers. As both a military and law enforcement small arms instructor what happens in that video is due partially to the stocks being too long and not fitting the shooter but that can be overcome with being taught proper shooting stance which I DID NOT see one of them using. You can teach ANYONE just above child size to handle a 12ga shotgun effectively IF they want to do it and can learn. Anyone with any business wearing a military or law enforcement uniform certainly. The 12ga is not the quite the WMD depicted in movies and TV. I personally prefer a small rifle or carbine as a long gun backup, but you learn to do with what is issued. Biggest advantage of a 12ga (yes, you do have to aim) is the wide variety of special purpose ammunition it can use. I have no experience about how to pound on drums so I never venture any views on them.
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Post by macky on May 27, 2021 3:13:31 GMT
I haven't any experience with firing shotguns but I read an article some years ago that American women police officers are being armed with 20-gauge shotguns instead of 12, because of the lesser recoil. I don't remember which states were supposed to be bringing them in for their female officers. As both a military and law enforcement small arms instructor what happens in that video is due partially to the stocks being too long and not fitting the shooter but that can be overcome with being taught proper shooting stance which I DID NOT see one of them using. You can teach ANYONE just above child size to handle a 12ga shotgun effectively IF they want to do it and can learn. Anyone with any business wearing a military or law enforcement uniform certainly. The 12ga is not the quite the WMD depicted in movies and TV. I personally prefer a small rifle or carbine as a long gun backup, but you learn to do with what is issued. Biggest advantage of a 12ga (yes, you do have to aim) is the wide variety of special purpose ammunition it can use. I have no experience about how to pound on drums so I never venture any views on them. Points well taken. They match those of who I know that have such shotgun experience. Not that I've made any views on shotguns, but lack of personal experience firing them does not exempt someone from having a degree of knowledge (or views) about them, as long as they are reasonable. Just like yourself having views on pounding drums, even if you never have. You're entitled to. After all, you listen to them often enough.
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Post by macky on May 27, 2021 3:36:50 GMT
"Was" and "were" do not apply to the Constitution since "We the People" have not abolished it and, as far as I know, "We the People" are not involved in any meaningful discussions to do so. Just because something drawn up and ratified and signed over 200 hundred years ago has not been abolished doesn't mean that 'was' and 'were' shouldn't be discussed, that somehow discussion doesn't apply simply because it hasn't been reviewed since. The proof of that is everyday gun ownership and related issues that are based on 200 + years ago when Founding Fathers could never have been even imagining what the world would be like half that time in the future. The problem is, that mentality has been preserved by the Big Money, because that's who ultimately benefit from all the gun sales and ammunition etc. Big Money rules America, and the gun manufacturers are no different. While that continues to exist, the Second Amendment will never be changed. Too much money in it. All I've asked is that those law-abiding gun-owners and prospectives should have no problem with proving their suitability to own and use guns under a federal system, instead of States having different gun laws, and that every firearm is registered, as are gun owners. That serves as a sharp dividing line between crackpots and criminals (even those unregistered) and the sensible law-abiding gun-owners who act responsibly.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Jun 3, 2021 8:45:46 GMT
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Post by pierinifitness on Jun 7, 2021 12:55:14 GMT
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 7, 2021 16:06:03 GMT
Life is over for those two.
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Post by pierinifitness on Jun 7, 2021 21:52:52 GMT
While my heart aches and cries for a dead little boy I never knew but will never forget, I acknowledge that we live in a country where you're innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
If this guy pulled the trigger, it'll take a lot of work to produce evidence, beyond circumstantial evidence, needed for his conviction. The best evidence may be getting his lady friend to turn on him.
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Post by gruntbrain on Jun 7, 2021 22:38:16 GMT
Capital punishment for the gunslinger :
If you don't believe it then try it sometime
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Post by billfish on Jun 7, 2021 22:48:27 GMT
I don't understand the nastiness of people out there on the road So many people who think nothing of giving other drivers the finger People make mistakes, actually drive at the speed limit, don't tailgate to make the speeder behind you happy etc But there are assholes out there who have to give the finger ......why ? I recently had a guy in an RV barreling up behind me at high speed, and although I was already doing 60 in a 50 mph zone, he got right up as close as he could without hitting me Mind you, I was also in the right lane ! He finally pulled over and passed me and as he went past I glanced over at him.....both him and a woman passenger were giving me the finger while yelling "Fuck you ! " While I don't think people should get shot for giving the finger, there are some who definitely deserve to get their fingers broken !
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Jun 8, 2021 0:05:47 GMT
I drive for a living. You just have to keep saying to yourself that they will be out your life in a few seconds.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 8, 2021 2:32:35 GMT
I yell at people sometimes, but deuce has the best suggestion. When people tailgate me, I start slowing down until they either pass or back TF off. One time, not long after my wife died, some young chick in a minivan came right up on my ass on the two lane highway and I was already about 7 miles over the posted limit. I slowed down until I was going only 35, turned around and gave her a slow down sign. She was laying on her horn and shouting, so I just ignored her until she turned off on another road. I may have even tapped the brakes a few times to make sure she was paying attention. It's always their fault if they rear-end me. Glad she didn't shoot me.
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