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Post by macky on May 25, 2021 20:12:35 GMT
If you have a deathwish by violence, move to a place with the strictest laws against arms ownership. Your chance of death by violence will skyrocket. To help you understand, you may need to watch that video about "How to Brainwash 7 Billion People" again. You can shift here, but there won't be any skyrocketing chances of violence, any more than anywhere else. Yes there are knives but there's a much better chance that you won't be shot. No handguns here unless you belong to a club and the guns are locked up. Unregistered firearms are still around. They always will be, but any responsible person can buy a rifle or shotgun and protect his home with it. That's sensible. Farmers need semi-auto for quick-firing at pests on their farms. I'm not against guns, but the second ammendment was written at the time when young men were expected to be able to handle guns to protect their families against Indians and shoot their dinner. That's when there were 13 States, over 200 year ago. The Gun Lobby and Big Profits continue to use that excuse for what one of America's main corporate business is all about. Guns, armaments, war. 600+ billion a year. Re the video, mikey, are you sure she wasn't brainwashing you into believing that you are not going to be brainwashed ? As I've said, question EVERYTHING, even things that fall into line with your own beliefs.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on May 25, 2021 20:30:57 GMT
Drug laws certainly don't stop people getting or using them.
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Post by mr potatohead on May 25, 2021 21:02:34 GMT
If you have a deathwish by violence, move to a place with the strictest laws against arms ownership. Your chance of death by violence will skyrocket. To help you understand, you may need to watch that video about "How to Brainwash 7 Billion People" again. ....... the second ammendment was written at the time when young men were expected to be able to handle guns to protect their families against Indians and shoot their dinner. That's when there were 13 States, over 200 year ago. ..... That has nothing to do with the purpose of the Second Amendment, m8.
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Post by macky on May 25, 2021 21:14:05 GMT
And another thing. I keep hearing about the "8000 miles away" mantra, as though physical distance makes any difference in the Day Of The Net. I'm not talking about MSM, but US govt agency files and all sorts of records, the Black Vault lists obtained under Official Secrets act, documents that have passed their classified dates like Northwoods etc. Like TR who promoted the same "argument" in our debates on American culture, 9-11 etc, I have exactly the same access to all those records via the Internet as someone that lives next door to the Whitehouse, never mind somewhere in the US. It is only a matter of finding the right links etc. The difference between those that actually research such things, and those that don't is not geographical at all these days, unless like China the Net is heavily censored. Therefore it is entirely possible that someone who is visiting NZ already know a LOT more than I do about what's going on downtown, and why. The 8000 miles mantra also does not take into account that America (along with things British) has been part of my upbringing way back 60-70 years ago, and in some cases/scenarios parts of America and its culture are almost as familiar to me as back home here, even though I've never physically been there. The differences can become obvious though, with the attitudes of those that live in America and have been brought up inside the culture, and as we already know, things that are amazing to those around the world like the huge gun culture, are quite "normal" for what seems to be most Americans. Like I said, I'm not against sensible gun ownership, as long as the prospective owner has passed a course in safe gun handling, and the weapon and the owner is licensed/registered. At that point, those weapons that are not can be confiscated without question every single time one is found, and the carrier prosecuted. If he's a crim, then he's going to have unreg weapons anyway, and his crim activity will see him either in jail or dead eventually. But the estimated 390 million guns in "civilian" hands, most of them unregistered has to be the greatest show on Earth of a country bristling to the brim with weapons, and a siege mentality where ordinary citizens feel compelled to go even shopping downtown with some sort of weapon on their person. Naturally in America this is justified, by the numbers of crims that resort to firearms, and most notably by the sheer number of mass shootings in the States every year. But the measures against all this can be taken bit by bit, such as registration as a shooter as well as gun-owner, the gun itself, and the banning of open carry in public places such as the astounding photos the world sees of military style weapons being openly carried at peaceful demonstrations. I mean, wtf It all begins with small but resolute steps, and The People can still have their guns for legit purposes. But as usual, it's not going to happen while there is so much money to be made by those that make instruments for which there is only one ultimate purpose, to take life.
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Post by mr potatohead on May 25, 2021 21:22:35 GMT
So, macky, m8, have you never hung out with any gun hobbyists? Should we believe that there are no true Constitutional US shit-kickers with all of the gear tech that the NWO guys have? Asking for a friend.
Notice: This is just a coffee company.
Check out Dillon Precision in Scottsdale AZ. Mfr of the aero gun or mini gun, shown here in a program I used to watch before I kicked TV out of my life:
Monster Garage
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Post by billfish on May 25, 2021 21:26:00 GMT
So, macky, m8, have you never hung out with any gun hobbyists? Should we believe that there are no true Constitutional US shit-kickers with all of the gear tech that the NWO guys have? Asking for a friend. I was once at the gunnery range in Aviano, Italy watching the F-4s strafing and dive bombing.....man, that Vulcan cannon makes a helluva sound while firing !
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Post by billfish on May 25, 2021 21:47:42 GMT
But the estimated 390 million guns in "civilian" hands, most of them unregistered has to be the greatest show on Earth of a country bristling to the brim with weapons, and a siege mentality where ordinary citizens feel compelled to go even shopping downtown with some sort of weapon on their person. macky "Estimated 390 million guns" .....how did they come up with that number ? They sure didn't poll the public on who owns what ! And "sensible" gun owners must buy from a dealer and the gun must be registered with the federal government As has been said elsewhere...if legal gun owners were the problem, you would know it The people I know who own guns are good, responsible, sensible people who you would want as neighbors My wife and i both have permits to legally carry concealed, our guns are fully registered and we had to attend a firearms safety course to get the CC permit I don't like carrying a gun, just one more thing besides glasses, phone, keys etc, but in the present day America where the george floyds can run amuck and the police can't/won't get involved, a gun is the only thing protecting my wife, myself and our home. It's a sad state of affairs, but it is reality And I will not give up my gun.......especially as the government has done NOTHING to remove all the ILLEGAL guns from high crime areas, except pass laws restricting law abiding people from buying guns or ammo to protect themselves And the scum from those areas often prey on peaceful, law abiding people....especially those who are unarmed Does NZ have a major crime element like the U.S. ?
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Post by macky on May 26, 2021 2:01:30 GMT
Drug laws certainly don't stop people getting or using them. ANY laws made against anything at all will always be broken by those that think they can get away with it, or feel entitled to break them. So that's an excuse not to make any restrictions laws at all on guns ? You know....register everyone who owns a gun(s) and who is licensed. Like cars, anyone found with a gun that's not registered and they themselves are before the Court. That enforces those like yourselves that obey the law and do no harm to others, unless in self-defence. By registration and licensing, you leave no doubt in any law-enforcer's mind that you are entitled to bear and carry. What's wrong with that ?
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Post by macky on May 26, 2021 2:06:47 GMT
....... the second ammendment was written at the time when young men were expected to be able to handle guns to protect their families against Indians and shoot their dinner. That's when there were 13 States, over 200 year ago. ..... That has nothing to do with the purpose of the Second Amendment, m8. Okay, then what was the purpose ? So that State militia's were entitled to arm themselves against unwelcome federal govt impositions ?
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Post by macky on May 26, 2021 2:46:01 GMT
But the estimated 390 million guns in "civilian" hands, most of them unregistered has to be the greatest show on Earth of a country bristling to the brim with weapons, and a siege mentality where ordinary citizens feel compelled to go even shopping downtown with some sort of weapon on their person. macky "Estimated 390 million guns" .....how did they come up with that number ? They sure didn't poll the public on who owns what ! And "sensible" gun owners must buy from a dealer and the gun must be registered with the federal government As has been said elsewhere...if legal gun owners were the problem, you would know it The people I know who own guns are good, responsible, sensible people who you would want as neighbors My wife and i both have permits to legally carry concealed, our guns are fully registered and we had to attend a firearms safety course to get the CC permit I don't like carrying a gun, just one more thing besides glasses, phone, keys etc, but in the present day America where the george floyds can run amuck and the police can't/won't get involved, a gun is the only thing protecting my wife, myself and our home. It's a sad state of affairs, but it is reality And I will not give up my gun.......especially as the government has done NOTHING to remove all the ILLEGAL guns from high crime areas, except pass laws restricting law abiding people from buying guns or ammo to protect themselves And the scum from those areas often prey on peaceful, law abiding people....especially those who are unarmed Does NZ have a major crime element like the U.S. ? It's an estimate, Matey. There are several sources for that figure. I've just told you, I'm not against guns. That means responsible legal ownership and use. Nobody is asking you to give up your guns. When the restriction laws actually prevent lawful responsible people from obtaining arms then you have a case that Authority is leaving the guns in criminal hands, which is a moral crime against the lawful citizens. Yes we do have a major crime element here. Shootings are becoming a bit more frequent, but only occasionally against non-criminals. The crim gangs are using guns against each other, and nobody minds that too much. Nevertheless, like where you are, the silly judges here and courts are often handing out paltry sentences for quite serious crimes, and we've got a group here who has been advocating for years against it. I mean, what happened to "three years with hard labour ?" There been talk lately about the subhuman that shot all those people in Christchurch may become mentally ill from being locked up for life in solitary. Oh fuck I am sorry !!! We can't have the poor subhuman suffering like that can we ? In my opinion the govt should have made a law for the death penalty for terrorism causing death, and made it retro-active, taken the poor subhuman out into an enclosure, tied to a pole and shot by firing squad, no question. Then not only will it be final that he will never do it again, it will be a signal to extreme white supremacists (or any other terrorist) that NZ takes a resolute line for such behavior, and the NZ public won't have to foot the 3 million dollar bill for the continued miserable life of the subhuman. And as for your suggestion that the govt won't remove all the guns from high-crime areas, You already know the answer to that, don't you ? 1) The govt is run by the PTB. 2) The PTB want you to live in fear and keep occupied looking after yourself and your family so you don't start focusing on the PTB. Their MSM plays all this up. 3) The crims in the high-crime areas are the front-end and market place of highly lucrative drugs, trafficking, prostitution etc. That money filters up the pipeline into the bank accounts (after laundering) of those that are "above" the law, at least until exposed by individual responsible journalists who soon find themselves "out in the cold" or worse. But until then, business is business. 4) Back in the 60's when I was in Wellington, I became aware through three different sources that one of Wellington's top criminal lawyers was pushing heroin in a big way. I wasn't even in the fringes of the drug fraternity, so if I knew just by two people I had befriended some years before, plus my job (telephone linemen techs like myself went EVERYWHERE in the course of their duties over the years) then it would be reasonable to assume that other Top people knew too, including the Police. It would be reasonable to assume that some "need to know" members of the NZ SIS knew too. 5) Like I've said before. The scum at the bottom comes from the top, and our countries are run also by a global criminal element which is often indistinguishable from the Mafia, govt officials and politicians sometimes involved themselves, or at least having knowledge of all this. 6) You know that special forces like the SEALs and the SAS + marines/army would make mincemeat of these high-crime areas if our govts sent them in to clean the place up. Why don't they? 6a The special forces etc are too busy supporting the global elite under the guise of "country patriotism"etc. The war industry from without, instead of the "war" industry from within. 6b The PTB like things just the way they are. It provides revenue, diversion, fear among the law-abiding, and the opportunity to take advantage of said population re mikey's video.
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Post by macky on May 26, 2021 4:00:14 GMT
So, macky, m8, have you never hung out with any gun hobbyists? Should we believe that there are no true Constitutional US shit-kickers with all of the gear tech that the NWO guys have? Asking for a friend. I was once at the gunnery range in Aviano, Italy watching the F-4s strafing and dive bombing.....man, that Vulcan cannon makes a helluva sound while firing ! Spectacular all right. I was going to ask how did the firers manage to afford the ammo for it. The closest I ever came to it (if you can call it that) was a Bofors 40mm in the Navy. I've never been anywhere near what I would call gun hobbyists. Apart from navy arms (antique 4" hand-loader, Bofors 40mm, short-barreled SLR (FN), Bren gun) and Friday evenings at a local miniature '22 indoor rifle range, most of my workmates and hunting friends used 410 shotguns for rabbits, '22 shorts for possums, and war-surplus 303's for big game such as deer and wild pigs (Captain Cookers). That changed a bit with the newer 308's but the targets were the same. A powerful air rifle (.22 not .177) was the only gun I owned of any consequence. It had the same power as a firearm .22 over the first 50 feet, and in fact one of our police detectives who was in the Split Enz was killed with four shots to the chest with an air gun. Why he never had a Glock on him, I'll never know. Officers here on "bank duty" are certainly armed with Glocks but usually they don't patrol with them, as a rule. Re the NWO, I imagine that some reasons they allow Vulcans in private hands is because of the sheer expense of the ammo, and because they have much more "all-encompassing" weapons that they can use on the civilian population, such as broadcasting 7 hertz + harmonics at sufficient amplitude from cell-phone towers that will scramble brains and disrupt living tissue. Or at least confuse any clear thinking with the sub-sonic tone. The "meditative/light trance" frequency is 7.83hz so it's close but not the same. Mind you, all the NWO/govt/PTB has to do is close the backs down and/or switch the electricity off. That'll bring things to a halt very smuckin' fartly I can tell you. Vulcans while awesome have limited range like all guns. Close the bank down and there goes your Eftpos card, Debit and Credit cards. Electricity powers everything these days. Not much doesn't rely on electric. Chips can be easily fried with electronic pulses, even just a surge. We worked on electronic telephone switching systems but had to wear "static straps". Thousands of volts can be built up by walking over certain carpets in offices and if you don't Earth yourself on the frame of the switch box you're working on, that's an expensive telephone Trunk or Extension card gone west the moment you touch it and try to fit it into the slot. Everything runs by CPU's these days and if you cook those, you likely will cook your goose.
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Post by moxohol on May 26, 2021 5:04:46 GMT
The whole purpose of allowing any form of weapon ownership is that u are putting them in the hands of responsible people not assorted nitwits (unlike governmental bureaucracies & bureaucrats). Buying a tank, Harrier, machine gun, Bofors or a 75mm recoilless rifle & operating them on the range is a big expense & out of the reach for 99.9% of the population. So, the whole argument being made here is rather specious & moot to start with.
Unfortunately, the same responsibility is not foisted upon governments because of their inherent police powers & exclusive monopoly of collecting unlimited taxes to fund a military who they charter in the people's name. Start making governments & their respective militaries accountable by forcing them to hold bake sales or fund drives to operate their forces & u won't have to worry about any military/industrial complexes doing posse comitatus or masquerading as "peacekeeping missions". I'm often reminded of the paltry budgets accorded to the CF or UK Royal Navy yet they still appear to successfully manage meeting operational tasks assigned to them? American Armed Forces & various police agencies are like hungry pigs who happily snap up any goodies handed over to them. They generally have bigger food budgets to pig out from. Rhodesia is another historical lesson about tight budgets yet meeting missions requirements. I don't recall them doing many peacekeeping missions or having bases dotting the globe either.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on May 26, 2021 8:17:20 GMT
Joe wants to arm the female population with shotguns and advises to fire warning shots in the air:
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Post by macky on May 26, 2021 9:50:31 GMT
I haven't any experience with firing shotguns but I read an article some years ago that American women police officers are being armed with 20-gauge shotguns instead of 12, because of the lesser recoil. I don't remember which states were supposed to be bringing them in for their female officers.
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Post by brothersteve on May 26, 2021 11:00:08 GMT
Joe wants to arm the female population with shotguns and advises to fire warning shots in the air: Town code where I live even prohibits using bb gun or bow and arrow in your yard. Sleepy Joe lives in his own world.
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