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Post by denis on May 31, 2021 15:47:32 GMT
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Jul 2, 2021 20:47:59 GMT
Lardy, how is the training going, m8?
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Post by lardy on Jul 3, 2021 9:53:43 GMT
Lardy, how is the training going, m8? Hi mate all is going well albeit progression is slower than I thought, I have lost half a stone (7lbs) of weight though since being more thoughtful of my eating. I'm finding workouts hard to get on with because I don't enjoy them :/ , years of laziness is hard to shrug, thanks for asking how it's going mate, hope you are doing well?
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Post by moxohol on Jul 3, 2021 10:07:28 GMT
I'm glad Your eye issue is good. I'm 5 years in age behind You and I feel really good besides some work soreness some days. I have a torn meniscus in both knees but the orthopedic said I don't need an operation. My knees feel good, I only found out when I had to get my knees drained from a work accident. I was running/walking a little before for cardio but I stopped because I thought I'd be better off not doing it. I tried HeavyHands but I didn't feel I got my heart rate up enough for it to be worthwhile. , plus I thought maybe I might look like the Bag Lady doing it. All I needed was either blue speedos or tight white pants. Swimming is standard therapy in rehab especially among stroke patients because it's easy on the joints & heals them too. Plus, it increases BDNF too. My home is parked in front of a lagoon & I use it daily in the morning.
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Post by moxohol on Jul 3, 2021 10:11:45 GMT
What a breath of fresh air this discussion has been unlike the political crap I've been posting to egg everyone on. I'll call this discussion complete and "perfect" once our AWOL resident expert Parker chimes in with his finishing advice and critique of how what some of you said is absolutely false. Can't wait! By the way, where is Lardy? I'm still here, between trying to workout what advice is best regarding diet and having a chuckle at some of the other comments. I started doing some push ups, squats and sit ups, I now need to find a suitable place for bodyweight rows. I'm going to do some isometrics in days between and some stretching, I will continue my 2-6 mile daily walks but might add a rucksack with some weight in it? I don't know. The advice here is great and I'm very thankful for so many responses. This really works & is my fallback scheme when nothing else is working to slim me down. It is not hyperbole. You won't ever be hungry on this save bored to tears by it maybe? Abs are made in the kitchen not the gym anyways. ================================== How to Lose 20 lbs. of Fat in 30 Days… Without Doing Any Exercise tim.blog/2007/04/06/how-to-lose-20-lbs-of-fat-in-30-days-without-doing-any-exercise/
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Post by moxohol on Jul 3, 2021 10:34:24 GMT
I'm glad Your eye issue is good. I'm 5 years in age behind You and I feel really good besides some work soreness some days....................................I might look like the Bag Lady doing it. All I needed was either blue speedos or tight white pants.
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Post by lardy on Jul 3, 2021 10:41:55 GMT
I'm still here, between trying to workout what advice is best regarding diet and having a chuckle at some of the other comments. I started doing some push ups, squats and sit ups, I now need to find a suitable place for bodyweight rows. I'm going to do some isometrics in days between and some stretching, I will continue my 2-6 mile daily walks but might add a rucksack with some weight in it? I don't know. The advice here is great and I'm very thankful for so many responses. This really works & is my fallback scheme when nothing else is working to slim me down. It is not hyperbole. You won't ever be hungry on this save bored to tears by it maybe? Abs are made in the kitchen not the gym anyways. ================================== How to Lose 20 lbs. of Fat in 30 Days… Without Doing Any Exercise tim.blog/2007/04/06/how-to-lose-20-lbs-of-fat-in-30-days-without-doing-any-exercise/I've actually been doing something pretty much similar to this except I've been filling up on steamed potatoes, in-comparison to my filling up on chocolate digestives soaked in a cup of tea ! I'm slowly transitioning to a healthier lifestyle.
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Post by moxohol on Jul 3, 2021 11:35:25 GMT
This really works & is my fallback scheme when nothing else is working to slim me down. It is not hyperbole. You won't ever be hungry on this save bored to tears by it maybe? Abs are made in the kitchen not the gym anyways. ================================== How to Lose 20 lbs. of Fat in 30 Days… Without Doing Any Exercise tim.blog/2007/04/06/how-to-lose-20-lbs-of-fat-in-30-days-without-doing-any-exercise/I've actually been doing something pretty much similar to this except I've been filling up on steamed potatoes, in-comparison to my filling up on chocolate digestives soaked in a cup of tea ! I'm slowly transitioning to a healthier lifestyle. Potatoes are bad. They make u fat! Switch to sweet potatoes. They have a lower glycemic load. Low GL and The Low GL Diet www.patrickholford.com/topic/low-gl
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Post by lardy on Jul 3, 2021 11:53:17 GMT
Whilst I know where you are coming from I have to disagree regardless of Glycemic load or Insulin responses etc, based on experience potatoes that aren't fried don't make you fat, the majority of people I know has lived on potatoes as a base for all their meals and few of them are fat, although the ones that live on pasta are a bit fatter. The evidence is stacked up against most studies just on looking at europeans and americans pre 1990's? the majority of diets were potato based and very few of them were fat, it's something else making everyone fat, maybe it's concentrated sugars/syrups or oils, I don't know but I think the potato is great food. Also sweet potatoes are good and I eat them too.
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Post by lardy on Jul 3, 2021 12:27:11 GMT
Whilst I know where you are coming from I have to disagree regardless of Glycemic load or Insulin responses etc, based on experience potatoes that aren't fried don't make you fat, the majority of people I know has lived on potatoes as a base for all their meals and few of them are fat, although the ones that live on pasta are a bit fatter. The evidence is stacked up against most studies just on looking at europeans and americans pre 1990's? the majority of diets were potato based and very few of them were fat, it's something else making everyone fat, maybe it's concentrated sugars/syrups or oils, I don't know but I think the potato is great food. Also sweet potatoes are good and I eat them too. They also didn't have modern conveniences up until that time either. It was a hard life where disease & vitamin deficiencies were rife & the average life expectancy was 47 in the UK. That & death in childhood was a still common feature in the early 20th century. If all u had to eat to sustain u was potatoes while busting your ass as with irish you'd be thin as a rail too. Btw, white potatoes were & still are commonly eaten WITH the skin not the spuds alone. Spuds have a high carb content & glycemic value. Folks just weren't eating mashed potatoes back then. Sorry man. The comparison made here are apples & orange. Of course, if ur living up there in the Brecon Beacons then disregard this diatribe. Hell? Eat some trail mix with some candy. You're in the completely wrong time period, I'm talking 1950's onwards where it was common to have meat and potatoes everynight, things such as hotpot, shephards pie (mashed potato), cottage pie(mashed potato), bangers and mash, even pie and mash (not a healthy meal i know), The Brits are notorious for peeling every vegetable possible, potatoes, carrots, parsnips, turnips, swede etc etc, the french used to make jokes that a french cook can make a meal out of the peelings of an English cook, also I've been eating steamed potatoes with skin on anyway. Whilst I concede the technology wasn't nearly as useful as it is today, I wouldn't say life for EVERYONE was a lot harder and made potatoes viable without gaining too much weight, people in britain still walk a shed load because everything is within walking distance although they don't walk as far as they used to, I still don't see it making this huge of a difference, I mean the population has gone from 90% of us with in a normal bmi range to 1 in 4 being obese, maybe portion sizes played a part but I'm telling you spuds didn't play the biggest role here. Edited 1900's to 1950's it was a mistype.
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Post by moxohol on Jul 3, 2021 14:28:00 GMT
They also didn't have modern conveniences up until that time either. It was a hard life where disease & vitamin deficiencies were rife & the average life expectancy was 47 in the UK. That & death in childhood was a still common feature in the early 20th century. If all u had to eat to sustain u was potatoes while busting your ass as with irish you'd be thin as a rail too. Btw, white potatoes were & still are commonly eaten WITH the skin not the spuds alone. Spuds have a high carb content & glycemic value. Folks just weren't eating mashed potatoes back then. Sorry man. The comparison made here are apples & orange. Of course, if ur living up there in the Brecon Beacons then disregard this diatribe. Hell? Eat some trail mix with some candy. You're in the completely wrong time period, I'm talking 1950's onwards where it was common to have meat and potatoes everynight, things such as hotpot, shephards pie (mashed potato), cottage pie(mashed potato), bangers and mash, even pie and mash (not a healthy meal i know), The Brits are notorious for peeling every vegetable possible, potatoes, carrots, parsnips, turnips, swede etc etc, the french used to make jokes that a french cook can make a meal out of the peelings of an English cook, also I've been eating steamed potatoes with skin on anyway. Whilst I concede the technology wasn't nearly as useful as it is today, I wouldn't say life for EVERYONE was a lot harder and made potatoes viable without gaining too much weight, people in britain still walk a shed load because everything is within walking distance although they don't walk as far as they used to, I still don't see it making this huge of a difference, I mean the population has gone from 90% of us with in a normal bmi range to 1 in 4 being obese, maybe portion sizes played a part but I'm telling you spuds didn't play the biggest role here. Edited 1900's to 1950's it was a mistype. Actually, u are correct in principle......I deleted that prior post to re-edit because it was crappy but u got to it 1st. So meh? I was using that time period for stark contrast along with the obligatory comparative example. Btw, Shepherds Pie is not just "mashed potatoes". It's an english casserole which u can buy in most pubs. A "pot pie". Vegetables are usually added to it which lowers the whole glycemic load of the meal. Bread dipped in EVOO lowers the glycemic value of bread, don't combine fats with sugars as it jacks up insulin response, dairy products are highly insulinemic, ad nauseam My entire premise was this: eat like a diabetic with low GL meals & proper food combinations as shown in the Tim Ferriss blog & the pounds will melt away without hunger. There's a good book that precedes Tim Ferris blog entitled, "The Good Calorie Diet" by Philip Lipet, 1994. Read it. I go on GI diets occasionally when I want to lower my bodyfat % coupled with intermittent fasting (but that's a different topic for another day).
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Post by Magnus on Jul 3, 2021 14:32:35 GMT
You're in the completely wrong time period, I'm talking 1950's onwards where it was common to have meat and potatoes everynight, things such as... bangers and mash, even pie and mash...'Pie and mash' is great, but gimme some pie, mash and eel liquor and I'm in, love it !!!. Bangers and mash is also something I really like, my Puerto Rican wife makes it at least once a month for me with either sausage or the 'frikadellen' over mashed potatoes I grew up eating 'Kunt' likes Bangers & Mash so much he wrote a song about it !
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Post by billfish on Jul 3, 2021 15:06:16 GMT
Lardy, how is the training going, m8? Hi mate all is going well albeit progression is slower than I thought, I have lost half a stone (7lbs) of weight though since being more thoughtful of my eating. I'm finding workouts hard to get on with because I don't enjoy them :/ , years of laziness is hard to shrug, thanks for asking how it's going mate, hope you are doing well? If I may......just make your workouts fun and don't overdue
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Post by lardy on Jul 3, 2021 15:06:27 GMT
You're in the completely wrong time period, I'm talking 1950's onwards where it was common to have meat and potatoes everynight, things such as hotpot, shephards pie (mashed potato), cottage pie(mashed potato), bangers and mash, even pie and mash (not a healthy meal i know), The Brits are notorious for peeling every vegetable possible, potatoes, carrots, parsnips, turnips, swede etc etc, the french used to make jokes that a french cook can make a meal out of the peelings of an English cook, also I've been eating steamed potatoes with skin on anyway. Whilst I concede the technology wasn't nearly as useful as it is today, I wouldn't say life for EVERYONE was a lot harder and made potatoes viable without gaining too much weight, people in britain still walk a shed load because everything is within walking distance although they don't walk as far as they used to, I still don't see it making this huge of a difference, I mean the population has gone from 90% of us with in a normal bmi range to 1 in 4 being obese, maybe portion sizes played a part but I'm telling you spuds didn't play the biggest role here. Edited 1900's to 1950's it was a mistype. Actually, u are correct in principle......I deleted that prior post to re-edit because it was crappy but u got to it 1st. So meh? I was using that time period for stark contrast along with the obligatory comparative example. Btw, Shepherds Pie is not just "mashed potatoes". It's an english casserole which u can buy in most pubs. A "pot pie". Vegetables are usually added to it which lowers the whole glycemic load of the meal. Bread dipped in EVOO lowers the glycemic value of bread, don't combine fats with sugars as it jacks up insulin response, dairy products are highly insulinemic, ad nauseam My entire premise was this: eat like a diabetic with low GL meals & proper food combinations as shown in the Tim Ferriss blog & the pounds will melt away without hunger. There's a good book that precedes Tim Ferris blog entitled, "The Good Calorie Diet" by Philip Lipet, 1994. Read it. I go on GI diets occasionally when I want to lower my bodyfat % coupled with intermittent fasting (but that's a different topic for another day). insert quote hereI agree with you about GI diets probably being best for leaning out, I just don't believe potatoes make you fat Also the Shephards pie I grew up on did have a few veggies in it, mainly diced carrots, peas and onions. I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone call it a casserole but i suppose it is kind of?I wasn't implying it was only mashed potatoes, our recipe which I used to eat once or twice weekly (when I was in shape) was Minced lamb, seasonings, cornflour (if you're making the gravy yourself) an onion a carrot or two and some garden peas, topped with Mash made with milk and butter - Not a great combo but no one ever got fat eating this sort of food for dinner at least not eating a reasonable amount. which brings me back to is it the oils?, sugar?, portion size? etc etc When I was in better shape my diet was very stereotypical of britain it was roughly something like this: Breakfast was skipped because "it's too early to eat" - cup of tea/coffee Lunch everyday could be different usually a cheese sandwhich but sometimes bacon and eggs with toast (A sort of brunch) Dinner was a lot more varied: Monday was something like Bangers and mash Tuesday could be cottage pie (basically same as shephards but beef) Wednesday was usually Curry night (chicken tikka if you're a pussy, Vindaloo if you're the man ) Thursday either shephards pie or beef stew or egg and chips Friday was always Fish and chips Saturday was usually pub so you'd get drunk and either go to a chinese/indian/kebab takeaway Sunday we ate a Roast dinner for lunch usually beef or pork with loads of veg and roast potatoes and a rice pudding or bread and butter pudding afterwards and no dinner maybe cheese and crackers. Sometimes we'd eat spaghetti and meatballs if we were feeling like something different, sometimes, a simple fry up (rarely) And then I got depressed and lazy and "Flashy" and started eating Pizzas, chips (fries) with everything, curries more often, chocolate bars between meals, a packet of biscuits everyday with sugary tea, cinnamon rolls, maple pecan plaits, doughnuts (so many), pastas with LOADS of cheese etc So yeah the old diet I used to eat isn't great at all but it's a pretty "normal diet" that people move away from and become fat, at the moment I'm eating some steamed potatoes with skin on, I don't think they'll make me fat
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Post by lardy on Jul 3, 2021 15:10:47 GMT
Hi mate all is going well albeit progression is slower than I thought, I have lost half a stone (7lbs) of weight though since being more thoughtful of my eating. I'm finding workouts hard to get on with because I don't enjoy them :/ , years of laziness is hard to shrug, thanks for asking how it's going mate, hope you are doing well? If I may......just make your workouts fun and don't overdue I'm still trying to find the type I find fun hehe (rofl)
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