brothersteve
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Post by brothersteve on Feb 23, 2021 16:09:26 GMT
Short, but interesting take on pushups and heart health. Really starts at 2:13.
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stuke
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Post by stuke on Feb 23, 2021 18:11:11 GMT
This may be of interest too
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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 24, 2021 1:04:15 GMT
I swing arms and twist, etc, every day. It just feels so good.
I've listened to Dr Stephen Sinatra off and on for a number of years. He was one who helped me understand how great cholesterol is, and high cholesterol especially, is quite healthy. What is most UNhealthy is people taking cholesterol lowering drugs. Just another bigmed scam.
He has presentations where he goes into the detail med data, but here it is in a 30 second sound bite:
He also has vids/articles about scientifically proven heart health benefit by the practice of Earthing or Grounding. Good stuff. I like him.
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Post by macky on Feb 24, 2021 7:36:05 GMT
Google "Ping Shuai Gong". You'll get several videos of Swinging Arms chi kung. It's a big thing in Asian countries and great for those whose elbows stop them from doing pushups.
Do a thousand a day. That'll take you about 25 minutes and you'll feel super good afterwards, just standing still for a few minutes. Good for warmup if you want to carry on with more varieties of chi kung, or conventional exercise.
Or just do them as stand-alone. The front swings, up to shoulder height with a double-dip every five reps, and the sideways swings with a little twist, like mikey sez.
Taught to me in 1993 by a Malaysian Chinese Tai chi master, the swing arms exercise is the most I do these days, with some Eight Brocade (Baduanjin) thrown in. There's plenty of that on youtube as well.
The sideways swing is started by raising your arms to each side shoulder height, then as you bring your right arm swinging across your front and the left arm to the back, turn to the left. Then raise the arms again and swing to the right etc.
Do not tap the kidneys like some vids show. Too easy to bruise yourself.
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Post by zenqsavant on Feb 24, 2021 9:59:48 GMT
Dr. Morehouse also touched on the peripheral heart action..how the arms and legs acts as peripheral heart pumpers..but is what keeps the heart pumping and circulating..the heart can't function without dynamic movement..or rather wouldn't be efficient..I'm just going off memory to give the gist of it..but basically the arms are very powerful heart drivers and cardio weapons
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Post by pierinifitness on Feb 24, 2021 14:40:14 GMT
Thanks for sharing brothersteve. I think a similar analysis could be done with probably any other activity. For example, compare two groups of people. Those who can only do 10 bodyweight squats and those who can do 40 or more bodyweight squats. Or, those who can only walk for 10 minutes compared to those who can walk for 40 minutes. Make it more interesting and toss in burpees. Those who can do 10 burpees in a single set effort compared to those who can do 40 burpees non-stop.
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Post by Michael on Feb 24, 2021 19:52:56 GMT
I agree Pierini. I would take it a little farther and say, why any of those exercises? , who gets to decide which ones?
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Post by stuke on Feb 24, 2021 22:53:01 GMT
I agree Pierini. I would take it a little farther and say, why any of those exercises? , who gets to decide which ones? I expect the push ups because of the arm movement directly benefitting the heart. Not to say burpees etc are bot also great, but specifically upper arm based exercises may be ideal. I think those where the arms end up higher than the chest as per Dr Sinatra are probably best.
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Post by pierinifitness on Feb 24, 2021 23:36:13 GMT
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Feb 25, 2021 9:06:03 GMT
Dr. Morehouse also touched on the peripheral heart action..how the arms and legs acts as peripheral heart pumpers..but is what keeps the heart pumping and circulating..the heart can't function without dynamic movement..or rather wouldn't be efficient..I'm just going off memory to give the gist of it..but basically the arms are very powerful heart drivers and cardio weapons Dr. Morehouse also very clearly stated in his book do not confuse fitness with health. Health is the freedom from disease. Fitness strictly relates to your ability to meet the demands of your environment. Performance is how well you accomplish that task.
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Post by Michael on Feb 25, 2021 11:45:03 GMT
Thanks for posting this. Heart rate recovery makes more sense than an certain exercise that someone chooses. When I have more time I'm going to read this.
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Post by Michael on Feb 25, 2021 11:51:08 GMT
I agree Pierini. I would take it a little farther and say, why any of those exercises? , who gets to decide which ones? I expect the push ups because of the arm movement directly benefitting the heart. Not to say burpees etc are bot also great, but specifically upper arm based exercises may be ideal. I think those where the arms end up higher than the chest as per Dr Sinatra are probably best. I'm not questioning if Pushups benefit the heart. And I get the arm action has something to do with it. But I would say a more full body exercise would benefit the heart more. Everyone likes different exercises and some people just can't do certain exercises because of injuries. But I do get the point of the arms being higher than the chest. But if that were the case, what about KB swings? Your arms are not even going to chest level, if You're doing them right, and I can get my heart rate up.
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Post by moxohol on Feb 25, 2021 12:55:07 GMT
Heart rate variability (HRV) number is your single best predictor of overall health, fitness, and longevity. Your HRV number, and how far it strays from your baseline, can tell you how much mental or physical stress your heart is seeing. Intermittent Fasting increases HRV which is why I do it so much. I've had brain embolisms.
The smaller muscles around the heart are worked first before the larger muscles around the body’s periphery. This is a precaution as ordained by Arthur H. Steinhaus who invented the Peripheral Heart Action training.
I'd also point out hand isometrics effectively lowers blood pressure. So well in fact that they safely use it with stroke victims. I think u can take favorable inference of fact from fasting, Prof. Steinhaus & hand isometrics as it relates to pushups & heart attacks.
I'd attach more importance to diet as paramount than anything else. Resistance exercise rapidly increases mTOR signaling. Not a bad thing to occur but heavy or constant insulin activation from diet type causes lesions within blood vessels. Incidentally, whey protein increases and prolongs the mTOR signaling response which explains its benefits taken after exercise.
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Post by stuke on Feb 25, 2021 15:24:08 GMT
I expect the push ups because of the arm movement directly benefitting the heart. Not to say burpees etc are bot also great, but specifically upper arm based exercises may be ideal. I think those where the arms end up higher than the chest as per Dr Sinatra are probably best. I'm not questioning if Pushups benefit the heart. And I get the arm action has something to do with it. But I would say a more full body exercise would benefit the heart more. Everyone likes different exercises and some people just can't do certain exercises because of injuries. But I do get the point of the arms being higher than the chest. But if that were the case, what about KB swings? Your arms are not even going to chest level, if You're doing them right, and I can get my heart rate up. Well I am no expert but I agree that full body exercises would surely be very good. But if like Dr Sinatra says, there is some sort of flushing of the heart area specifically from the arm movement, yhen it would seem there is a different mechanism and it is not to be judge just by how much your heart rate increases. It is probably splitting hairs, I mean there is much benefit with all the methods described. Personally I think kettlebell swings with a higher swing to close to vertical would be good too, not as a relacement but perhaps on lighter sets?
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Feb 25, 2021 18:37:16 GMT
Sinatra also said ♫Fairy tales can come true, it can happen to you If you're young at heart. For it's hard, you will find, to be narrow of mind If you're young at heart.♫
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