MBS
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Post by MBS on Jan 22, 2021 18:29:09 GMT
My own Covid story:
I have three friends, all older and high risk, who I have dinner with every Saturday night. We shake hands, fist bump, hug etc, all “ normal” things done pre Covid between friends.
in mid December, one of them told me he had Covid symptoms, and suggested I get tested. Long story short, all three tested positive for Covid, and my test came back negative.
One is 71, overweight, type 1 diabetic. He said he felt achy for about a week. No hospital stay.
One is 78, female, smokes a pack a day. Mild cold symptoms.
One is 68, and smokes 2+ packs a day. Zero symptoms.
Me, tested negative, no symptoms, and I had close contact with all three.
Makes you wonder.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jan 22, 2021 18:52:56 GMT
Makes me think you and your friends were very lucky.
Well, call me crazy......call me irresponsible........but I prefer listening to those medical professionals who have devoted years to studying and finding cures for infectious diseases, especially since both my wife and I top the list of those at risk. As of this morning, 25,239,990 Americans have been infected and 421,118 have died, all within a year.
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brothersteve
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Post by brothersteve on Jan 22, 2021 19:25:08 GMT
We all have to do/not do what we need based on our own risk/reason/feelings.
My uncle supposedly/allegedly died from this at 80. I have not seen him in 17 years. He smoked, but thought was told he quit some years back. About 15 lbs overweight. A regular guy, food eater not much junk type from a village in Europe that still has no electricity.
A cousin, who has a heart condition, on meds, and had operations for it, and is about 70 says he got COVID from my uncle and spread it to his family at home. No one in that home got more than sniffles and light fever.
The range on this virus is all over. Interesting to share info/stories to gain insight. I have heard via a Dr. Vuong on his Youtube channel how the 'viral load' is important in the severity if one does get it. It seems those around it unprotected for long time and get more in their system from exposure suffer the worst, but each individual is different as well. Still much to be learned.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 19:54:12 GMT
Makes me think you and your friends were very lucky. Well, call me crazy......call me irresponsible........but I prefer listening to those medical professionals who have devoted years to studying and finding cures for infectious diseases, especially since both my wife and I top the list of those at risk. As of this morning, 25,239,990 Americans have been infected and 421,118 have died, all within a year. I’m with you Bruce. There are some really heartbreaking stories from formerly fit and healthy people who are now struggling with ongoing health problems weeks and months later.
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Post by Magnus on Jan 22, 2021 20:41:50 GMT
Well, call me crazy......call me irresponsible........but I prefer listening to those medical professionals who have devoted years to studying and finding cures for infectious diseases... Fair enough, you're a great guy and I'll always wish the best for you and family. However, while most advocates of the vaccine say it is safe and effective, these same advocates cannot produce scientific confirmation of the safety of the vaccine. Silly me, all I know is that Governments have given “fast-track” status to market the new vaccines with only a fraction of the normal testing required. There have so far been many instances of adverse reactions to the vaccine(s), sometimes fatal reactions, yet this is viewed as normal and 'not relevant'... (?) It's VERY 'relevant' to my way of thinking... Thanks, but no thanks; even though I'm considered an "essential worker" and am out and about among the public each workday, I haven't had as much as a sniffle since this pandemic was officially announced.... No, until I see more proof that these vaccine's are safe in the long term, I'll just continue with my initial plan to take logical and sensible precautions, and that includes a carefully thought out supplement plan, along with common sense measures to avoid any and all potential infection by the virus
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pierinifitness
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Post by pierinifitness on Jan 22, 2021 20:50:05 GMT
The good news for us middle-age men and the older turds too is that you can't catch COVID from scratching your balls so continue on, business as usual.
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pierinifitness
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Post by pierinifitness on Jan 22, 2021 22:36:47 GMT
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Dave Reslo
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Post by Dave Reslo on Jan 22, 2021 23:24:34 GMT
Makes me think you and your friends were very lucky. Well, call me crazy......call me irresponsible........but I prefer listening to those medical professionals who have devoted years to studying and finding cures for infectious diseases, especially since both my wife and I top the list of those at risk. As of this morning, 25,239,990 Americans have been infected and 421,118 have died, all within a year. I’m with you Bruce. There are some really heartbreaking stories from formerly fit and healthy people who are now struggling with ongoing health problems weeks and months later. Yeah I know a couple people in their thirties who have suffered long term effects from covid, in one case still suffering 9 months on. I can imagine it having a significant impact on the economy if, say, 5% of people who should be in the workforce can no longer work full time. In a lot of poorer countries where people can't afford to stay at home and vaccination will be slow I imagine that will be the case.
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Post by mrdave100 on Jan 23, 2021 4:32:01 GMT
My own Covid story: I have three friends, all older and high risk, who I have dinner with every Saturday night. We shake hands, fist bump, hug etc, all “ normal” things done pre Covid between friends. in mid December, one of them told me he had Covid symptoms, and suggested I get tested. Long story short, all three tested positive for Covid, and my test came back negative. One is 71, overweight, type 1 diabetic. He said he felt achy for about a week. No hospital stay. One is 78, female, smokes a pack a day. Mild cold symptoms. One is 68, and smokes 2+ packs a day. Zero symptoms. Me, tested negative, no symptoms, and I had close contact with all three. Makes you wonder. Yeah, some people get very sick others don’t feel well for a day
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Post by Magnus on Jan 23, 2021 4:50:39 GMT
If anyone is interested in learning how to best protect themselves from either initially contracting the virus OR minimizing severity of illness if you've somehow unfortunately managed to catch it, this link will serve you well... chrismasterjohnphd.com/covid-19/
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Post by Magnus on Jan 23, 2021 5:03:52 GMT
Well, call me crazy......call me irresponsible........but I prefer listening to those medical professionals who have devoted years to studying and finding cures for infectious diseases... ...No, until I see more proof that these vaccine's are safe in the long term, I'll just continue with my initial plan to take logical and sensible precautions, and that includes a carefully thought out supplement plan, along with common sense measures to avoid any and all potential infection by the virus ...oh, and btw, I do wholeheartedly believe that MASKS WORK !!!.
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macky
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Post by macky on Jan 23, 2021 5:38:14 GMT
Yep, masks are not failsafe. But they are a valid preventative.
Re the vaccine, I've had two instances (2004 & 2018) with getting the then-current flu vaccine and suffering (in the first case) the worst flu of my life shortly afterwards, the second instance copping the flu one week after.
All the other time since the mid-nineties I've never had the flu. My view is that vaccines take away immunity in some important part of the body, in order to deliver their alleged benefit.
In the case of the flu vaccine, I heard it is formulated every year according to what five or so strains of flu (there are hundreds) that are anticipated. That leaves one exposed to the non-anticipated flu's with lower immunity, hence my copping a dose of flu in the two times I ever had the vaccine.
As it applied to the "Covid" vaccine, they've rushed it out as fast as they can and the people who are the most vulnerable to Covid 19 are the very ones that are dying after vaccination.
So take your pick if you're my age. Either you pack it in through the alleged Covid 19, or the vaccine. Doesn't seem like much of a choice.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Jan 23, 2021 6:13:47 GMT
Makes me think you and your friends were very lucky. Well, call me crazy......call me irresponsible........but I prefer listening to those medical professionals who have devoted years to studying and finding cures for infectious diseases, especially since both my wife and I top the list of those at risk. As of this morning, 25,239,990 Americans have been infected and 421,118 have died, all within a year. How are you in at risk groups if you've been listening to medical professionals, Bruciepops?
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Post by Magnus on Jan 23, 2021 6:15:30 GMT
Yep, masks are not failsafe. But they are a valid preventative. Re the vaccine, I've had two instances (2004 & 2018) with getting the then-current flu vaccine and suffering (in the first case) the worst flu of my life shortly afterwards, the second instance copping the flu one week after. All the other time since the mid-nineties I've never had the flu. My view is that vaccines take away immunity in some important part of the body, in order to deliver their alleged benefit. In the case of the flu vaccine, I heard it is formulated every year according to what five or so strains of flu (there are hundreds) that are anticipated. That leaves one exposed to the non-anticipated flu's with lower immunity, hence my copping a dose of flu in the two times I ever had the vaccine. As it applied to the "Covid" vaccine, they've rushed it out as fast as they can and the people who are the most vulnerable to Covid 19 are the very ones that are dying after vaccination. So take your pick if you're my age. Either you pack it in through the alleged Covid 19, or the vaccine. Doesn't seem like much of a choice. I just read an article stating that the new U.K. variant of the virus is not only more contagious, it's also "somewhat" more deadly according to experts, possibly by as much as 30%... www.nytimes.com/2021/01/22/world/europe/virus-variant-uk.htmlI also read that this new virus strain has been predicted to be the dominant strain in most European countries within 2 weeks AND it's quite possible that the new vaccines are NOT effective towards stopping it....
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Jan 23, 2021 6:56:27 GMT
The virus is being spread by aerosol, meaning it can hang in the air like smoke. This is what is making people sick. It is far smaller than the holes in the weave of a mask. Aerosols are what make their way down to the lungs. All the hand washing and double mask wearing in the world cannot stop aerosols.
Masks can only capture droplets. Droplets are larger than aerosols but are less dangerous because they are often caught in the nose and throat and don't make their way to the lungs.
Fomites are droplets that land on surfaces that other people may touch. These are not very dangerous.
There are plenty of older covid-19 articles that would have you believe that fomites or droplets are the most dangerous and that aerosols played very little or no part in transmission. I have no idea why this theory was getting pushed when it has been known for decades that this kind of virus is mostly transmitted by aerosol and that masks can do little or nothing to stop them. Believing in masks is just a belief. It's not science.
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