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Post by Magnus on Aug 4, 2020 22:46:04 GMT
Being light, yet lean and strong, does wonders for feeling young and having great energy, accomplished by eating as little as possible to be as strong needed for lifestyle living. Training to improve cardiovascular conditioning too because the benefits spill over to work and lifestyle activities. Eating smart and sleep does the rest. After you have these factors dialed in, then I suppose the others mentioned might do some good. "lifestyle Living"...Nothing wrong with that, but it really only applies if you work a 'sedentary' type of job and 'workout' for a hobby and/or cover your bases so that you don't deteriorate physically as you age... again, different strokes for different folk Guys like Michael and me are a bit different....I'm in the mechanical contracting field and I work within the extremely demanding commercial refrigeration and HVAC side of the business. Last week after a 12 hour day of working in the type of environmental conditions that most people of any fitness level couldn't physically handle, I got called back out to work for an 'all nighter' emergency, and didn't have the luxury of first getting any sleep. If I hadn't at least had an excellent and abundant dinner beforehand I would have done myself a huge disservice. ...btw, I stopped on the way home the next morning, and bought myself 2 very well made Taylor Ham & Egg sandwiches, salt / pepper / ketchup, a New Jersey specialty if you've never heard of it. DAMN they were good. Slept like a baby until that afternoon
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Post by Magnus on Aug 4, 2020 22:49:54 GMT
MMMMMMMMMM .....
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Post by pierinifitness on Aug 4, 2020 23:48:52 GMT
I need to clarify that lifestyle living includes the energy demands of the work you do. Total calories required to maintain weight is an amount to support your basal metabolism (what your body requires without any activity), plus lifestyle activities (those who do hard core manual labor obviously need more than me who sits on his butt for a living and only uses his brain) plus exercise activities. A guy like Michael (who is similar to my weight) probably needs at least 750 calories a day more than me.
I think we're all saying the same thing. With regard to your big dinner Mag, it was likely needed to support your energy demands for the day. If not, over time, you would gain weight. That's how it works. An apple a day, let's calc that at 80 calories, creating a calorie surplus will pack on an extra 8 lbs. in a year if eaten every day and everything else remains constant. Doing hard manual labor does create a requirement to consume more calories but that doesn't diminish what I said of eat as little as possible to support lifestyle activities.
Whenever I've done challenging physical work, which I've done but very infrequently, I've never had a problem with the demands. I may not like it but I can do it. It requires working at a sustainable pace. In that regard, it's no different than running a race, doing battle ropes or swinging kettlebells. Go out too fast and disregard correct body alignment and form, and you'll get injured and beaten up.
If I did the hard manual labor that you guys do, I'd be sore as hell the next day but only because my muscles aren't familiar with the hard manual labor movements. But, I guarantee you over time, I'd adapt and the cardiovascular conditioning and strength endurance I have would spill over; it has to because the body will deliver what it's capable of doing when a demand exists and performance is required. There's nothing magical about this.
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Post by Magnus on Aug 5, 2020 0:31:22 GMT
If I did the hard manual labor that you guys do, I'd be sore as hell the next day but only because my muscles aren't familiar with the hard manual labor movements. But, I guarantee you over time, I'd adapt... Sometimes it's hard to "adapt"... My job isn't a physical 'constant' of anything, there are times where the most I'll physically do all day, sometimes for days on end, is in front of a screen troubleshooting the computer related systems that controls the machinery I work on. *We're responsible for ALL of it, so being a 'tech nerd' is just as much part of the job as being a mechanic... This is why I eat good and supplement, along with exercising when I can. I'll soon be 57, and never know when the workload is going to change from couch potato to marathon runner...
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 5, 2020 0:59:12 GMT
I don't know why I didn't mention this earlier, but Norwegian fish oil is really good for supporting joints like the bone broth and collagen. I buy the Carlson brand and keep it in the fridge.
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Post by Michael on Aug 5, 2020 1:08:21 GMT
No one said it was magical but it is different than regular controlled exercise. I just disagree with You. Some jobs are not going to give you the benefit of being in the proper position. Some jobs will cause asymmetries. Also depends on the job/who You work for on the sustainable pace thing. It's not like doing intervals. Some bosses/jobs may be a little more relaxed but it doesn't always work like that. I've had to push myself in the past to have better work capacity. This all depends on the job, some of that stuff may spill over and even enhance it. For some jobs, You need muscular endurance which You don't like training for. Not trying to be smart, but Your age would be a factor. You may adapt but how long before Your body would break down from the stress. Just because someone can use decent weight on the bench press, overhead press, etc... doesn't mean they will automatically be able to lift odd objects like a person that has been doing a job for a while.
Doing long workouts will get old while doing physical work, listen to the Grube video. If You beat Your body up doing the work You're asking for trouble beating it up doing exercise at the same time.
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Post by pierinifitness on Aug 5, 2020 2:04:23 GMT
Michael, I understand what Mag and you are saying.
I don’t believe any responsible supervisor wants injured employees so it’s hard for me to imagine any employee trying to be heroic and lift, move or work in a way that increases injury risk. I do realize, however, that stuff happens.
The good news is that I’m retiring very soon so will be sitting on a park bench watching the squirrels play tag.
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Post by ddh on Aug 5, 2020 4:36:58 GMT
This is a great topic and some great posts here to, being a meat cutter for 36 yrs, working in the cold everyday, lifting and stacking cases of meat, pork, poultry, lifting meat and running it through the saw everyday, besides having a good diet and moderate supplements, keeping my workouts to a minimum time and proper rest, were 2 huge factors, for me , some days I would work 10 hr days, I always kept my exercises, compound movements, never did isolation work, except for prehab and rehab stuff, I believe there’s a fine line when it comes to physical demanding work and workouts, now that I’m retired, I do have arthritis in both my knees, but for almost 6 months , I have been taking Glucosamine and MSM, tumeric and collagen peptides, which have been awesome for my knees and my shoulders, also now I also spend more time warming up, which is huge for me before my workouts.
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Post by stuke on Aug 5, 2020 12:18:32 GMT
. Just because someone can use decent weight on the bench press, overhead press, etc... doesn't mean they will automatically be able to lift odd objects like a person that has been doing a job for a while. Totally agree.
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Post by Michael on Aug 5, 2020 18:34:30 GMT
This is a great topic and some great posts here to, being a meat cutter for 36 yrs, working in the cold everyday, lifting and stacking cases of meat, pork, poultry, lifting meat and running it through the saw everyday, besides having a good diet and moderate supplements, keeping my workouts to a minimum time and proper rest, were 2 huge factors, for me , some days I would work 10 hr days, I always kept my exercises, compound movements, never did isolation work, except for prehab and rehab stuff, I believe there’s a fine line when it comes to physical demanding work and workouts, now that I’m retired, I do have arthritis in both my knees, but for almost 6 months , I have been taking Glucosamine and MSM, tumeric and collagen peptides, which have been awesome for my knees and my shoulders, also now I also spend more time warming up, which is huge for me before my workouts. DDH, how are your shoulders? Hope all is well.
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Post by ddh on Aug 5, 2020 20:04:53 GMT
This is a great topic and some great posts here to, being a meat cutter for 36 yrs, working in the cold everyday, lifting and stacking cases of meat, pork, poultry, lifting meat and running it through the saw everyday, besides having a good diet and moderate supplements, keeping my workouts to a minimum time and proper rest, were 2 huge factors, for me , some days I would work 10 hr days, I always kept my exercises, compound movements, never did isolation work, except for prehab and rehab stuff, I believe there’s a fine line when it comes to physical demanding work and workouts, now that I’m retired, I do have arthritis in both my knees, but for almost 6 months , I have been taking Glucosamine and MSM, tumeric and collagen peptides, which have been awesome for my knees and my shoulders, also now I also spend more time warming up, which is huge for me before my workouts. DDH, how are your shoulders? Hope all is well.
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Post by ddh on Aug 5, 2020 20:12:53 GMT
Thanks for asking Michael, their doing pretty good, I’m still really careful with them, warming up really good before I start my workout, I can do neutral grip pull ups, they don’t bother my shoulders at all, doing my push ups, not locking out or going all the way down, due to the fact that gyms are closed, I was doing battling ropes and the rope climbing machine at my gym, which both of those exercises worked my shoulders good, and made them feel good also, my neighbor loaned my a couple of his kettlebells, and I was doing KB swings and really enjoy them, no issues with my shoulders, I didn’t go really heavy also, the Glucosamine,MSM, tumeric and collagen peptides, I think are helping my shoulders too along with my knees.
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Post by Magnus on Aug 5, 2020 21:30:51 GMT
I don't know why I didn't mention this earlier, but Norwegian fish oil is really good for supporting joints like the bone broth and collagen. I buy the Carlson brand and keep it in the fridge.Yep, same here, along with eating my codfish and a few tins of sardines and mackerel a few times a week. Also lately a whole bunch of frozen flounder fillets my wife picked up in bulk at one of the 'club' stores that she goes to....DEE-LICIOUS !!!
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Post by pierinifitness on Aug 5, 2020 22:13:03 GMT
Well I guess I'm odd-man out because I don't take any of that stuff, or a multi-vitamin. But for about the past year, I do use a protein powder occasionally mixed in with Greek yogurt to have a meal replacement when I want to get some extra calories and protein that I'm not getting from the food I eat that day. Maybe it'll all catch up with me one day but thus far at age 65 and 50 cents, all is well.
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Post by Michael on Aug 5, 2020 23:22:24 GMT
I personally take a couple of things because I have and sometimes still take a beating. If I had a sedentary job all these years It might be a different story. With my past injury history, I'm not willing to be in pain. I wish I was Superman but there is only one of them.
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