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Post by Magnus on Aug 3, 2020 10:21:37 GMT
I never had an issue with the content. I just became tired of hearing him preach. I don't think I've ever sat through any one of his video's to the end, but then again exercise really is a very simple subject and to me he's no different than anyone else when it comes to this stuff. When I see something with potential I swoop in, collect the good parts for future reference and move on... |
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Post by Michael on Aug 3, 2020 10:36:17 GMT
If Grube is going to talk like that, I may check him out again. Sounds like we're on the same page or close. I've always liked him... He mentions joint pain a few times in the vid, and for Johnny or anyone else with achy joints I would very highly recommend looking into a supplement called 'cissus' for the initial treatment of chronic joint pain along with bone broth and/or high quality bone marrow supplementation as an ongoing addition to the diet. Makes a world of difference in joint health... Hey Magnus, just curious. Where did you discover these recommendations? I've heard about bone broth before. I know one roofer that that says he takes bone meal. I know I did a little experiment on my self in the past with diet. The way you eat can make a big difference. Sugar is really bad and can cause a lot of pain. I'm two years younger than Grube and don't have any joint pain. My knees can get tender if I have a hard long day. But than again I didn't do the crazy volume that Grube has done. Magnus thanks for sharing that. Never know. |
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Post by Magnus on Aug 3, 2020 21:42:12 GMT
I've always liked him... He mentions joint pain a few times in the vid, and for Johnny or anyone else with achy joints I would very highly recommend looking into a supplement called 'cissus' for the initial treatment of chronic joint pain along with bone broth and/or high quality bone marrow supplementation as an ongoing addition to the diet. Makes a world of difference in joint health...
Hey Magnus, just curious. Where did you discover these recommendations? I've heard about bone broth before. I know one roofer that that says he takes bone meal. I know I did a little experiment on my self in the past with diet. The way you eat can make a big difference. Sugar is really bad and can cause a lot of pain. I'm two years younger than Grube and don't have any joint pain. My knees can get tender if I have a hard long day. But than again I didn't do the crazy volume that Grube has done. Magnus thanks for sharing that. Never know. While it may surprise some people when they see me in person (I get told I look like a "biker" all the time,  ), but the truth is I'm actually quite the research 'nerd'...  I'm also my own loyal 'test subject', so when I give a recommendation it isn't something I 'heard' it's something I've researched and then practically applied on myself. I've mentioned 'cissus' before on this forum, it truly works wonders when the correct dose is taken consistently. And while I've known about cissus for years, bone broth and bone marrow supplementation is something I began more recently. I'm combining the bone marrow pills with grass fed beef liver pills, and my oh my, I feel pretty damn good for almost 57. Like you Michael I also do work that can get 'labor intensive' at times, especially when the work is on a sweltering rooftop, and at my age I can STILL outwork any of the much younger guys, thank goodness. I like to think it's a combination of things, but one things for sure. I've tried it BOTH ways, meaning supplements vs no supplements, and there's a definite marked difference when eating fairly correctly and then quenching the body with the 'right' stuff. |
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Post by brothersteve on Aug 3, 2020 22:02:44 GMT
All good points. I've seen old relatives do well who ate moderate and sensibly, drink plain water, no smoking or booze, get good restful sleep, exercise or get out and do house/yard work or walk/bike. Don't worry about things (easy to say, harder to do). Think young, perception is reality.
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Post by Michael on Aug 3, 2020 23:14:01 GMT
Hey Magnus, just curious. Where did you discover these recommendations? I've heard about bone broth before. I know one roofer that that says he takes bone meal. I know I did a little experiment on my self in the past with diet. The way you eat can make a big difference. Sugar is really bad and can cause a lot of pain. I'm two years younger than Grube and don't have any joint pain. My knees can get tender if I have a hard long day. But than again I didn't do the crazy volume that Grube has done. Magnus thanks for sharing that. Never know. While it may surprise some people when they see me in person (I get told I look like a "biker" all the time, ), but the truth is I'm actually quite the research 'nerd'... I'm also my own loyal 'test subject', so when I give a recommendation it isn't something I 'heard' it's something I've researched and then practically applied on myself. I've mentioned 'cissus' before on this forum, it truly works wonders when the correct dose is taken consistently. And while I've known about cissus for years, bone broth and bone marrow supplementation is something I began more recently. I'm combining the bone marrow pills with grass fed beef liver pills, and my oh my, I feel pretty damn good for almost 57. Like you Michael I also do work that can get 'labor intensive' at times, especially when the work is on a sweltering rooftop, and at my age I can STILL outwork any of the much younger guys, thank goodness. I like to think it's a combination of things, but one things for sure. I've tried it BOTH ways, meaning supplements vs no supplements, and there's a definite marked difference when eating fairly correctly and then quenching the body with the 'right' stuff. Just curious, what brand of cissus, bone marrow, and grass fed beef liver are You taking? I do take desiccated liver. |
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Post by Magnus on Aug 4, 2020 2:34:11 GMT
While it may surprise some people when they see me in person (I get told I look like a "biker" all the time, ), but the truth is I'm actually quite the research 'nerd'... I'm also my own loyal 'test subject', so when I give a recommendation it isn't something I 'heard' it's something I've researched and then practically applied on myself. I've mentioned 'cissus' before on this forum, it truly works wonders when the correct dose is taken consistently. And while I've known about cissus for years, bone broth and bone marrow supplementation is something I began more recently. I'm combining the bone marrow pills with grass fed beef liver pills, and my oh my, I feel pretty damn good for almost 57. Like you Michael I also do work that can get 'labor intensive' at times, especially when the work is on a sweltering rooftop, and at my age I can STILL outwork any of the much younger guys, thank goodness. I like to think it's a combination of things, but one things for sure. I've tried it BOTH ways, meaning supplements vs no supplements, and there's a definite marked difference when eating fairly correctly and then quenching the body with the 'right' stuff. Just curious, what brand of cissus, bone marrow, and grass fed beef liver are You taking? I do take desiccated liver. There are less expensive brands out there, but 'Ancestral Supplements Grass Fed Bone Marrow' is what I chose, and I definitely don't regret it. I was taking another brand of dessicated liver supplement before starting on the bone marrow, but after exchanging emails with one of the owners of 'Ancestral Supplements' he sent me a free bottle of their own 'Grass Fed Beef Liver' to try out. He wanted me to combine the liver and the marrow, give it a little while, and then report back what I think. Well.....I love it, and will continue to take the combo. The best way to describe the results are that it makes me feel 'younger' with more energy. I also seem to recover from work and exercise better than I did before. Here's the links: Bone Marrow Beef LiverAs for the Cissus I've had good results with a brand called 'Super Cissus'. I purchased my last batch off of ebay, but it seems it's hard to come by that particular brand recently. I took a fast look on Amazon and if I needed to purchase a batch right now I'd go with this one, looks like good stuff and the price is right Link: Cissus |
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 4, 2020 12:46:21 GMT
I remember when we had a discussion with TR about desiccated liver. He said he "tried" it and it did nothing perceptible for him over a trial period of a few months(? I think?).
However, as I recall he was recreational lifting and not doing strenuous physical work.
As Magnus mentioned,
I agree with this. I think that TR may have failed to notice any effect because he wasn't challenging himself to use the endurance/energy boost to go harder, but instead, just doing the same old routine.
Maybe its focus in the body is not to act as a direct muscle builder though. I think perhaps TR was expecting an enhancement to muscle size or strength just because he was taking it. I think desiccated liver or real liver enhances the body's energy/endurance to enable a more robust effort and increased muscle size or strength may be more of the natural SAID response by-product to the additional effort that eating liver supports. ....... Just my thoughts. I don't know how TR used it, what he was actually doing or what he was eating during his "test".
I really like eating liver, especially chicken liver. There were periods when I would get up every morning and fry up a pan of chicken livers for breakfast. (This was back in the day when I didn't know any better about the carcinogenic effect of fried and grilled foods from the high heat and accompanying heating/oxidation of cooking oils and blackened flesh.)
Today, I poach or crock pot liver. Going to do a batch of buffalo liver in the crock today as these posts are makin' me jones for it.
What I noticed was my unmistakeable increased endurance and ability to go harder for longer and when I missed several days of taking it, the diminished energy to go hard and steady all day was unquestionable. Taking it regularly, I could outwork and outlast guys half my age - of course, experience and skill of technique was on my side, but even so, they would be visibly wearing down throughout the day and I'd keep going like a fresh buck.
Assuming diet is generally good anyway, I recommend liver or the desiccated liver capsules or powder to anyone who works a physically demanding job.
The bone broth, marrow and other connective tissue and organ meat is all good and supportive too.
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Post by Michael on Aug 4, 2020 13:06:25 GMT
I noticed the same as You Mr.P. I respect TR's opinion but I think you're right. He probably thought that because of the bodybuilders of the 70's took a lot of them. I believe they claimed they were a muscle builder.
I'm more interested in the health and the energy benefits from them. Do you take capsules or tablets? How much were/ are You taking? It's weird but I personally felt the most benefit from taking the brand Solar which are tablets.
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 4, 2020 13:27:33 GMT
The experience I described was many years ago. I don't know if the company I bought the desiccated liver from is still in business. Besides, when I took them back then, I was taking pressed tablets. I like the capsules better, but I don't take them regularly now since I don't have that kind of job. What I take now, if I'm not eating them as food, is the desiccated liver capsules from Swanson and the Great Lakes Collagen Hydrolysate, also from Swanson. |
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 4, 2020 13:36:44 GMT
I think that TR and everyone would agree that the ideal way to ingest any nutrient is by eating real food. It's how we were designed. Unfortunately, without informed supplementation, I don't see how anyone can get the same nutrition form food today, grown/raised in mineral deficient and chemically polluted soils and environment as our ancestors could. Seems to me that maybe our modern industrial culture has traded clean air and highly nutritious, real food for good hygiene and sanitation. The worst thing we have today, IMO, is overwhelmingly suffocating information pollution.
I have pollution on my mind today because I burned some incense last nite and didn't vent enough, apparently, because it made me feel a bit sickly.
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Post by pierinifitness on Aug 4, 2020 13:37:14 GMT
Being light, yet lean and strong, does wonders for feeling young and having great energy, accomplished by eating as little as possible to be as strong needed for lifestyle living. Training to improve cardiovascular conditioning too because the benefits spill over to work and lifestyle activities.
Eating smart and sleep does the rest.
After you have these factors dialed in, then I suppose the others mentioned might do some good.
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 4, 2020 13:52:27 GMT
Other foods along with the organ meats to boost energy and endurance are beets or beet powder and orange veggies, like sweet potatoes, pumpkin and squash.
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Post by Michael on Aug 4, 2020 15:03:53 GMT
Not trying to be smart but doing physical work is a little different than just an everyday lifestyle. I agree being in decent shape, sleep, and eating healthy helps. Depending on the job you do, your body can take a pounding. You will work up an appetite.
I think there are some more variables that some may not understand if they haven't done physical work for years. Honestly, I was always a little hard headed before, but it's hard to simulate physical work with any exercise. Yeah You can do the stuff Grube mentioned in that video. Thinking back and taking my own notes, I never noticed any drop off from my work capacity not matter what kind of training I did. Except, when I did to much volume(which wore me out), self resistance/KSHD, and KB swings(which enhanced sledgehammer swinging).
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 4, 2020 16:58:55 GMT
Having a truly physically demanding job really helped me to tune into what my body responded to in the way of high quality nutrition and the little extra additional exercise I needed to excel at my job. Of the two, nutrition is king and I've kept that lesson.
I truly enjoyed the activity of the physical job. It required strength, agility, coordination, speed and accuracy.
I now enjoy the volume of recreational exercise that I do, and, although the total of my exercise is now way more volume than the small volume of extra exercise I did in the morning before going to that job, it is still far less than the total volume of the job effort plus the additional exercise I did to help me to excel at it. However, what I do now for recreation is way more than I'd need for a desk job.
OK, I re-read that and it sounds wordy. I hope it's understandable.
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Post by Michael on Aug 4, 2020 20:18:50 GMT
It's understandable. If You don't mind me asking, what kind of work did You do?
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