MBS
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Post by MBS on Jun 19, 2020 2:16:47 GMT
HE DIDN'T! HE DIDN'T! HE DIDN'T! Only to test his strength ! Three times a week. |
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Post by billfish on Jun 19, 2020 2:39:52 GMT
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Post by cas9 on Jun 19, 2020 21:13:01 GMT
Gents, you’re being trolled. 😂. Carry on Thanks for your answers and I'm aware that it might be a little nerdy to ask. But no I was not trolling but I'm just really interested in that stuff  . But I understand that you mostly don't care since I doesn't matter for the training results in any way! That being sad, if I could somehow assure constant load throughout the motion SR would pretty much match an Isotonic exercise. Furthermore the load during a barbell exercise also kind of varies because of leverage doesn't it? Sorry I might be a little nerd as regards everything exercise matters and english isn't my first language either but no trolling here!  |
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Michael
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Post by Michael on Jun 19, 2020 21:51:53 GMT
Cas9, I used self-resistance exercise combined with calisthenics exclusively for years. I don't remember the number of years but I probably started them in 2008 until maybe 2011-13. Nothing is the magic pill but I got benefits from them. I don't know all the particulars science and kinesiology wise. A lot of people don't like self-resistance and I get that. I know prefer KB, bodyweight, bands, and DBs. The reason I stopped doing them is I noticed I lost strength handling heavy stuff at work. From my own experience (someone else may be different) with self-resistance, they are very good for muscle endurance and bodybuilding. When I first learn about SR I learned them from a guy that had a big ego and really didn't know how to put them together. Bruce's "Zen in the Art of Self Resistance" and this book right here has some good ideas: www.amazon.com/Serious-Muscle-Enhancement-building-Resistance/dp/0988082179/ref=sr_1_14?crid=2Q9422F7OUSUO&dchild=1&keywords=marlon+birch+books&qid=1592603613&sprefix=marlon+birch%2Caps%2C140&sr=8-14 Some trial and error on Your own can work wonders also. If You give it a go I'd like to hear about it. |
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Post by cas9 on Jun 19, 2020 22:27:10 GMT
Hey Michael, I got me a used Koelbel Powerman 3 last summer which is esentially a self resistance training tool. It's pretty old I think it might be from the 80's. And I bought I just for fun since I'm a regular gym goer for years. But I have to say that this form of training gave me something that traditional training in the gym never could. I dont't know maybe it was the focus that you need to have on every muscle or the deeper concentration. It was just great fun for me and very exhausting and since then I'm somehow bitten by the bug of SR training. As far as results go I can tell you that even as a gym rat for years I was definately able to improve my arms especially my biceps with SR training. Unfortunately I destroyed the device while doing a back exercise and ripping it out of my door What is KB and DB training? And why do you think you lost strength handling heavy stuff doing SR? |
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Michael
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Post by Michael on Jun 19, 2020 22:41:43 GMT
Hey Michael, I got me a used Koelbel Powerman 3 last summer which is esentially a self resistance training tool. It's pretty old I think it might be from the 80's. And I bought I just for fun since I'm a regular gym goer for years. But I have to say that this form of training gave me something that traditional training in the gym never could. I dont't know maybe it was the focus that you need to have on every muscle or the deeper concentration. It was just great fun for me and very exhausting and since then I'm somehow bitten by the bug of SR training. As far as results go I can tell you that even as a gym rat for years I was definately able to improve my arms especially my biceps with SR training. Unfortunately I destroyed the device while doing a back exercise and ripping it out of my door What is KB and DB training? And why do you think you lost strength handling heavy stuff doing SR? KB is kettlebells and DB is dumbbells. You said."And why do you think you lost strength handling heavy stuff doing SR?" I'm not the best at explaining stuff like this. Bruce once had an excellent explanation about this. The best way I can explain it is when You use SR You are not using external resistance. So when I stopped using external resistance I probably lost the motor skills to lift heavy stuff. My jobs call for me to lift heavy stuff, have muscle endurance, and endurance. I'm not saying SR isn't a good way to train. This has been my experience and I can't afford to lose strength handling heavy stuff. Unfortunally I have to perform everyday. You don't really need the Koelbel Powerman. You can use towels, ropes, and the opposite limb to do SR. Works just as good if not better. |
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Post by cas9 on Jun 19, 2020 23:21:31 GMT
Ah ok thanks for the explanation. I also do a lot of grappling (BJJ) and I must say that I sometimes think that there are sometimes parallels between SR and Bjj. It involves a lot of fighting against resistance of my opponents muscles and not lifting heavy objects. But as far as your experience goes that's really an interesting observation.
And yes I know I could also to SR with towels etc. but I must admit I really liked that old piece of odd, unusual equitment. If you ever can get one for cheap, go for it. It was great fun but of course not necessary! ;D
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Dave Reslo
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Post by Dave Reslo on Jun 23, 2020 16:11:38 GMT
That being sad, if I could somehow assure constant load throughout the motion SR would pretty much match an Isotonic exercise. Furthermore the load during a barbell exercise also kind of varies because of leverage doesn't it? Yeah, you would only get the same stress at all points through use of a machine, and even then the muscles already have a strength curve, and unless it's an isolation exercise this "curve" is along a surface in several dimensions. And if you are doing a bunch of reps, some muscles will tire before others. So the phrase "isotonic" might be useful sometimes but is almost always misleading. Also, I heard Charles Atlas used The HOOK. |
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Bob50
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Post by Bob50 on Jun 23, 2020 17:09:27 GMT
My opinion is that I don't care what you call them. If I'm doing self-resistance biceps curls/triceps pushdowns, I don't care if they are moving isometrics, isokinetics, isotnics, or horse feathers. I just focus and do them. I agree with Bruce. Just do it!  |
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. But I understand that you mostly don't care since I doesn't matter for the training results in any way!
