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Post by pierinifitness on May 7, 2020 13:11:20 GMT
Macky, here’s the bigger picture.
Assuming you could get everyone to carefully read what you posted, there are a significant number of voters who will vote for him. We might have the same outcome as 2016 where he loses the popular vote but wins thanks to how the Electoral College works as cleverly created by our Founding Fathers.
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Post by pierinifitness on May 7, 2020 13:23:46 GMT
If you ever decide to pay me a visit at the worldwide headquarters of Pierini Fitness, here’s what’ll “greet” you at the front entrance:
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Post by macky on May 7, 2020 14:02:07 GMT
If you ever decide to pay me a visit at the worldwide headquarters of Pierini Fitness, here’s what’ll “greet” you at the front entrance: Sure, go ahead, you're entitled to. And hey I hope it works out for you fellas.
But don't say you weren't warned...…..
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Post by mr potatohead on May 7, 2020 15:51:15 GMT
One thing I can say that I'm not is ....... a prisoner of fear.
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Post by macky on May 7, 2020 23:23:52 GMT
Neither am I mikey, there's no point in being consumed by terror. And if the facts that I've posted have better current facts that prevail over mine, then so be it.
If mine still stand, then America has a problem, in more ways than one.
"But now, as the US’s confirmed cases far surpass those of all other countries, Trump claims he always took the virus seriously, even though he downplayed it for weeks while focusing on other things.
“I always treated the Chinese Virus very seriously, and have done a very good job from the beginning, including my very early decision to close the ‘borders’ from China – against the wishes of almost all,” Trump tweeted on March 18. “Many lives were saved. The Fake News new narrative is disgraceful & false!”
www.businessinsider.com.au/heres-what-trump-was-doing-as-coronavirus-was-rapidly-spreading-2020-4?r=US&IR=T
One of the problems of course is that Trump is a chronic liar. There's been a notable record of that in US presidencies, but their lies were never as numerous as Trump's, nor as serious most of the time.
Whether one agrees or not, the media is one of the hallmarks of a democracy. Trump's constant attacks on the media are the hallmarks of a dictator. Certainly he is not involved in purges of "enemies of the people" such as Hitler and Stalin, but he DOES have responsibility for tens of thousands of American deaths by not acting promptly. The media have constantly tried to ask Trump serious questions and he now apparently has cancelled media sessions concerning the virus. In other words, in Trump's world, any media that is not in favour with Trump is "Fake News". Doesn't that strike Americans as very dangerous ? Or will the US carry on, carrying on listening to someone who routinely lies and praises himself for actions which he never took, while the death toll keeps mounting and the number of cases go through the roof ?
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/03/trump-enemy-of-the-people-meaning-history
Had Trump taken resolute action right at the start of the first American case, the shortage of resources to fight Covid 19 wouldn't have been an issue.
If the majority of Americans democratically elect Trump back into power again, then America will get what it deserves. There have been multiple articles and facts dished up by experts and professionals, warning of Trump's mismanagement and misbehavior, plus casual commentators such as myself who have provided clear evidence of someone who is hell-bent on "business as usual" despite the rapidly mounting number of cases (over 1.2million) and death toll (nearly 2000 more in the last 24 hours). That someone wants to shut down the media, and present his own version of the "truth" which has been proven to be lies more often than not.
With such a record, and many still backing Trump (as well as no viable opposition as yet), America is in a very dangerous position.
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Post by mr potatohead on May 8, 2020 8:04:48 GMT
OK, I'll start with The First Amendment. Media is not the hallmark of democracy. Since we have "freedom of the press and freedom of speech", no doubt everyone, worldwide, has already seen this on the "uncensored" ( ) media, since it is absolutely disgusting and exposing of what is actually happening? Watch it soon, before it is removed like some others here on this forum already have been since they disagreed with the mainstream media rhetoric: Next, we can discuss the "statistics" of infections and deaths, directly caused by CV, as the cause and how those numbers compare with other causes. Plus, the disqualifying fact from the beginning that there is no testing being done that identifies the unique RNA/DNA of CV-19 since no FDA approved test exists for that purpose. As far as Trump is concerned, I'm glad he's sorting out his advisors in record numbers. The ones he had at the beginning of this flu, the WHO, Fauci, CDC, etc, proved themselves to be unreliable when they told him not to worry about it. Obviously, this made him look bad on Nightly News, but does not reflect badly on his decisions which were based on the information he was given.
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Post by pierinifitness on May 8, 2020 14:25:08 GMT
When I was in college, I took an elective course titled Mass Media in Modern Society. It was one of my favorite courses during my entire undergraduate degree period. I learned about yellow journalism and something else the instructor said also stuck with me when he described the media as the fourth branch of government to provide a check and balance. It made sense at the time but decades later, the mainstream media no longer does its job with political slants that have become more pronounced that decades ago.
That's where social media comes in. It has become the fifth branch of government helping keep the other four in check.
I don't get my news about President Trump from the mainstream media; I go right to his Twitter account and read what he has to say. This is what the media is also doing to write their articles. Better to get it directly from him that the slant nonsense they write and post up on their websites.
I also learned a lot about the media during my "brief career" as an op-ed article contributor with my hometown newspaper. I had four opinion articles published in a short time period and then my career ended because my contact retired and his replacement didn't find the same favor in my submissions - they weren't "left" enough. What a learning lesson this was for me.
I think the terms "fake news" and "lamestream media" are, sadly, legitimate ones to describe the news so many Americans read. With regard to my hometown newspaper, I do quickly go to the online version daily to read funeral notices which I find to be amazingly accurate and unbiased compared to the other nonsense they spew and publish.
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Post by macky on May 8, 2020 22:02:24 GMT
Firstly, The First Amendment is irrelevant to the discussion. Other countries deemed to be democratic don't have a first amendment.
Secondly, the freedom of the press and other media that can criticize govt and their officials are strong indicators (hallmarks in fact) of a democratic society. That some media has gone too far, or is being used for political purposes needs some governing body to ensure that as far as possible the media is seen to be unbiased and factual. That they may not be is not confined only to Trump. Litigation or public enquiry under such circumstances is a possible course of action, not seen in repressive regimes.
In repressive regimes NO criticism of the govt or the dictatorship is tolerated. The media is ruthlessly censored and remains merely a mouthpiece for the ruling regime.
Thirdly, certain parameters of medical investigation are used in order to distinguish between the definitions of "probable" and "active" cases of Covid 19. Symptoms of fever etc which are also symptoms of other types of diseases are taken as grounds for further Covid 19 testing and confinement. Causes of deaths have been designated as Covid 19 statistics due to uncertainty as what actually pulled the switch, a problem which has always been evident even pre-Covid 19. We know that. Also, although statistics have been separated for closer inspection re active, probable,and recovered, a single figure for the whole lot is also used as a general idea of the severity of the outbreak in any country.
That is not an American thing exclusively. It is used world-wide, therefore American statistics are on a level playing field with other countries.
Fourth, Trump had ample warnings given the CDC and others' activities well before (or shortly after) one month was up after January 20. Reminiscent of Australia's Morrison on holiday in Hawaii while his country burned, Trump was in Florida on Feb 15 vacationing and playing golf. One week before : " Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announces that the government had airlifted nearly 18 tons of donated respirator masks, surgical masks, gowns and other medical supplies to China." Along with cases already appearing in the United States, if that piece of resolute action didn't impinge on Trump as to the seriousness of the situation, then his cognitive powers were firmly focused on business and the stock market, demonstrated nine days later in the face of more resolute action " White House sends Congress $2.5 billion emergency request for coronavirus outbreak. Trump tweets: "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA ... Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"
If that isn't turning a blind eye to the gathering situation I don't know what is. Blaming Trump's advisors for telling him not to do anything is simply passing the buck on his behalf.
Number Six. It has been apparent to even a casual sideliner such as myself that govt officials and prime ministers, presidents etc have occasionally complained to the media that they have been misrepresented in something they've said or done. That has always been part of the scene in any democratic country and has either been acted on, or not according to that particular situation.
Repeated phrases by Trump such as "enemy of the people" in regards to the media is a notable indication of dictatorial behaviour. Dictators have routinely "identified" enemies during their regime as enemies of the people in order to demonize a certain section of the community as focus and distraction away from themselves, or justification for their actions.
It is a tried and true method that lasted for as long as it was effective, and Trump's attempts to demonize the media (or certain sections of it) as enemies of the people smack of a dictatorial mindset, and should serve as a warning to any open minded person who is not engrossed in political "us and them" attitudes.
Finally, with all of the above, and assuming the propriety of Worldometer is reasonably accurate and reliable (propriety always something we should check in these days of confusion) the American figures for Covid 19 are a disgrace and a continuing blight on Trump and his administration.
That opinion is not an unjustified judgement, it is an observation based on numerical data backed by solid evidence.
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Post by MBS on May 8, 2020 22:30:01 GMT
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Post by pierinifitness on May 8, 2020 23:31:23 GMT
Firstly, The First Amendment is irrelevant to the discussion. Other countries deemed to be democratic don't have a first amendment. Secondly, the freedom of the press and other media that can criticize govt and their officials are strong indicators (hallmarks in fact) of a democratic society. That some media has gone too far, or is being used for political purposes needs some governing body to ensure that as far as possible the media is seen to be unbiased and factual. That they may not be is not confined only to Trump. Litigation or public enquiry under such circumstances is a possible course of action, not seen in repressive regimes. In repressive regimes NO criticism of the govt or the dictatorship is tolerated. The media is ruthlessly censored and remains merely a mouthpiece for the ruling regime. Thirdly, certain parameters of medical investigation are used in order to distinguish between the definitions of "probable" and "active" cases of Covid 19. Symptoms of fever etc which are also symptoms of other types of diseases are taken as grounds for further Covid 19 testing and confinement. Causes of deaths have been designated as Covid 19 statistics due to uncertainty as what actually pulled the switch, a problem which has always been evident even pre-Covid 19. We know that. Also, although statistics have been separated for closer inspection re active, probable,and recovered, a single figure for the whole lot is also used as a general idea of the severity of the outbreak in any country. That is not an American thing exclusively. It is used world-wide, therefore American statistics are on a level playing field with other countries. Fourth, Trump had ample warnings given the CDC and others' activities well before (or shortly after) one month was up after January 20. Reminiscent of Australia's Morrison on holiday in Hawaii while his country burned, Trump was in Florida on Feb 15 vacationing and playing golf. One week before : " Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announces that the government had airlifted nearly 18 tons of donated respirator masks, surgical masks, gowns and other medical supplies to China." Along with cases already appearing in the United States, if that piece of resolute action didn't impinge on Trump as to the seriousness of the situation, then his cognitive powers were firmly focused on business and the stock market, demonstrated nine days later in the face of more resolute action " White House sends Congress $2.5 billion emergency request for coronavirus outbreak. Trump tweets: "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA ... Stock Market starting to look very good to me!" If that isn't turning a blind eye to the gathering situation I don't know what is. Blaming Trump's advisors for telling him not to do anything is simply passing the buck on his behalf. Number Six. It has been apparent to even a casual sideliner such as myself that govt officials and prime ministers, presidents etc have occasionally complained to the media that they have been misrepresented in something they've said or done. That has always been part of the scene in any democratic country and has either been acted on, or not according to that particular situation. Repeated phrases by Trump such as "enemy of the people" in regards to the media is a notable indication of dictatorial behaviour. Dictators have routinely "identified" enemies during their regime as enemies of the people in order to demonize a certain section of the community as focus and distraction away from themselves, or justification for their actions. It is a tried and true method that lasted for as long as it was effective, and Trump's attempts to demonize the media (or certain sections of it) as enemies of the people smack of a dictatorial mindset, and should serve as a warning to any open minded person who is not engrossed in political "us and them" attitudes. Finally, with all of the above, and assuming the propriety of Worldometer is reasonably accurate and reliable (propriety always something we should check in these days of confusion) the American figures for Covid 19 are a disgrace and a continuing blight on Trump and his administration. That opinion is not an unjustified judgement, it is an observation based on numerical data backed by solid evidence. Macky, libel and slander civil torts is how the media is kept in check. Hard to make these work for the little guy but the boy boys can use these tools. And, anyone accused of either can defend with truth which prevails in a court proceeding. The last thing we want is some government agency providing oversight of the media; that's scary to me.
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Post by macky on May 9, 2020 0:32:20 GMT
Okay, that's essentially what I said re litigation. So why is there so much apparent agro re "biased" or "disgusting" news ? Don't normally intelligent people want to hear other viewpoints so that they can weigh up the pros and cons, making up their own minds ? That doesn't have to go as far as wholesale dismissal of someone such as Trump. I've already said that he's probably done some good things.
And it doesn't have to be a govt agency. In fact, it shouldn't be, as you say. It can be a body of representatives from all sections of the media, and the predominant companies involved.
And it's not a general overseeing group spending large amounts of time and money monitoring general news constantly. It can be simply a group that discusses via emails between them, complaints presented to them. That could include interference by implication of Trump and his repeated statements of "fake news" and "enemy of the people".
I mean, whenever have you heard a president of the US making repeated statements like that ? This seems to me to be a unique situation, and I consider it a warning to the people, NOT that the news media is talking bullshit, (because we all know that sometimes the news can be questionable) but that Trump is attempting to control it for his own ends.
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Post by doomfarer1 on May 9, 2020 15:31:05 GMT
I guess a lot of people are following the narrative that the President’s defunding of CDC overseas has propagated this disaster but the truth is no one in office on either side would have prevented this on any level. China being so closed about the problem for 2 months cost the world valuable time. However about that defunding of the CDC, it’s actually a smoke show: www.factcheck.org/2020/03/false-claim-about-cdcs-global-anti-pandemic-work/
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Post by macky on May 9, 2020 23:09:48 GMT
Yes I believe that China must take a large part of the responsibility for the global spread of the virus. Its repressive regime and strict censorship, plus the Asian habit of trying to avoid "loss of face" at all costs has had its obvious and serious consequences. One can only expect that countries like China and Russia (where they've had 10,000 new cases per day for the last 6 days) are going to seriously unreport their numbers.
I also do not think that in general, any defunding or lack of preparedness for an epidemic in the US should serve as a major reason for the disgraceful number of Covid 19 casualties in America.
It has been obvious simply by the record of certain actions, and inactions, from the early days that Trump and his administration collectively did not respond in a prompt and decisive manner to Covid 19, whatever arguments one may serve up, and the evidence for that is the shocking spread of the virus throughout America, couple with the contrasting results of countries that DID respond promptly in one or more ways to at least curb the spread of the virus, if not total elimination.
Trump's sometimes untruthful and contradictory statements down the few short months have only added to the confusion and rapidly increasing numbers of casualties.
Today (NZ) we see reported from what is regarded here as a reasonably reliable conservative source (NZ Herald)
"The decision to shelve detailed advice from the nation's top disease control experts for reopening communities during the coronavirus pandemic came from the highest levels of the White House, according to internal government emails obtained by The Associated Press." "The trove of emails show the nation's top public health experts at the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention spending weeks working on guidance to help the country deal with a public health emergency, only to see their work quashed by political appointees with little explanation." "White House spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany said on Friday the documents had not been approved by CDC Director Robert Redfield. The new emails, however, show that Redfield cleared the guidance."
News of incompetent, unexplained, dithering by the top levels of US governing backed by solid documentary evidence. I cannot understand why anybody should not treat with the utmost suspicion Trump and his crew, given the increasing amount of contradictory statements and confusion that is becoming more evident by the day.
With cases now appearing in the White House itself, Covid 19 is knocking on the door of the Oval Office. Trump has revised his "estimation" of the expected death toll in America to 95,000.
Given the continuing spread of roughly 25,000 new cases a day in the United States, I would say that that estimation is going to fall far short.
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Post by captkronos on May 10, 2020 16:36:46 GMT
Joe Biden has had 40 odd years at least in politics and hasn't done one damn thing for America. This idea that Republicans are somehow controlled by religious zealots is just brainwash kool-aid for the Left. Also the Left is actually very anti-science, embracing this idiocy that a man can wake up tomorrow and by stating he is now a woman we all must accept his delusion as our own. Show me the "science" on that, sounds more like a religious leap of faith in the face of science to me. Whatever the Left claims they are, they generally are the opposite. This makes sense in their upside down language.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on May 10, 2020 19:16:31 GMT
Other countries deemed to be democratic don't have a first amendment. Deemed by who? Not a lot of people or institutions I trust to make that judgement.
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