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Post by mr potatohead on Sept 19, 2021 1:05:06 GMT
Here in the Soviet Socialist Republic of Victoria, our dear leader Dictator Dan mandated last Thursday that ALL construction workers must have at least one injection by 11:59 pm on Thursday the 23rd or they won't be allowed to back to work unless they have had at least one. Construction workers are now even given priority over other people that want or have to get vaccinated but those people will now have to wait a bit longer. Just think of all those fat, vulnerable slobs that really want to get vaccinated who are going to have to wait because a load of fit and healthy and not vulnerable construction workers that don't even want the vaccination, now have priority over them. Yet one more thing in a long line of bullshit that has not made sense since this bullshit began. I've tried to find other work instead of construction but so far have not found anything I could do. I have 6 years before I can retire but if I could retire now I would do so. Plenty of vaccine experts are saying that vaccinations should be carried out just before a virus season starts not during or at the end. In other words at the end of Summer at this latitude. It is now the beginning of Summer here. The vaccines wear off after about 6 months and the advisory panel to the FDA are advising against a 3rd jab so it looks like many construction workers will be getting vaccinated for the Summer when the chance of infection is likely to be lower here and it will wear off just as we head into coronavirus season and there may not be a 3rd vaccination offered. Yeah, that really makes sense. To hypnotized germaphobic hypochondriacs, it doesn't need to make sense.
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Post by saison on Sept 19, 2021 15:18:47 GMT
If your vaxxed you can still get it.
If your not vaxxed you can get it.
If you do get it the mortality rate is less than 1/2 of 1%, and out of those 1/2 of 1% who have passed away a significant portion of them had underlying medical conditions. Therefore its pretty easy to surmise that this virus is not as deadly as the tyrants and news pundits say it is.
Remember back to March 2020? The tyrants were saying that millions would die from Covid. It was going to wipe out 10% of the population. In NY, Cuomo was building makeshift hospitals in the Javits Center, the US Tennis Stadium and college dorms because he said hundreds of thousands of NYers were going to be hospitalized from this awful virus. Such drama. Well, the makeshift hospitals all sat empty and sadly a majority of those that died in NY were elderly nursing home residents, people who already had serious medical conditions (that's why they were in nursing homes). To make matters worse, Cuomo sent the elderly who had Covid back to the nursing homes to infect more people when he could just have as easily isolated them on the hospital ship that Trump sent to NY. But since politics are more important than people, rather than accept help from Trump, Cuomo let people die and the hospital ship sat empty in NY Harbor.
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Post by saison on Sept 19, 2021 15:27:30 GMT
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Post by captkronos on Sept 20, 2021 0:46:54 GMT
The "Conspiracy Theorists" usually ARE right. Why anyone would listen to the Media is beyond me, unless they like the sound of bullshit in their ears. State run propaganda here in the U.S. This entire thing was a bio-weapon to allow for a corrupt election allowing mass mail in fraud and get rid of the only guy the Left and Right didn't own. Do you think the ant colony Chinese Commies or American Left give a damn about killing 1/2 of 1 percent (if even that) of humanity? Anyone who can't see that is probably a brain-dead Lefty stuck in world-view no longer in touch with reality. Trump, being a career business man, never understood what he was really up against with the Deep State, or once he knew, it was too late. The U.S. is f*cked, and with it, the rest of the world. Who is going to stop the Chinese? Joe Biden? hahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!! If we survive his tenure without the Chinese destroying us it will be a miracle.
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Post by mr potatohead on Sept 20, 2021 0:52:37 GMT
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Post by macky on Sept 20, 2021 3:13:07 GMT
The "Conspiracy Theorists" usually ARE right. Why anyone would listen to the Media is beyond me, unless they like the sound of bullshit in their ears. State run propaganda here in the U.S. This entire thing was a bio-weapon to allow for a corrupt election allowing mass mail in fraud and get rid of the only guy the Left and Right didn't own. Do you think the ant colony Chinese Commies or American Left give a damn about killing 1/2 of 1 percent (if even that) of humanity? Anyone who can't see that is probably a brain-dead Lefty stuck in world-view no longer in touch with reality. Trump, being a career business man, never understood what he was really up against with the Deep State, or once he knew, it was too late. The U.S. is f*cked, and with it, the rest of the world. Who is going to stop the Chinese? Joe Biden? hahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!! If we survive his tenure without the Chinese destroying us it will be a miracle. We've had some interesting discussions over the years Capitaine, even 10-11 years ago. I remember our speculations as to whether Neil Armstrong actually went to the Moon, at least at that time, and Mags and Billfish commenting away with Mags' amused observation "we had to go half way round the world to find another Moon trip denier" or something of that nature. I repeat that the decline of America is not anything to do with "left" or "right', or at least, very little. 1) The govt is owned by Big Money/corporate power. Almost all the American media is owned by only six individuals. 2) Corrupt elections are nothing new. Russian interference was involved in 2016 and 2020 at least, with older elections being jacked by voter-intimidation etc. America has a long history of them. 3) There's a lot of brain-dead Righties as well as Lefties. Why is it that the Right believe they are the only ones who are patriots ? Tucker Carlson got his beans by Tammy Duckworth, a Dem senator and decorated war veteran for saying she hates America, or some such idiocy like that. Tucker even got roasted by a Fox colleague for it. Who's the brain dead here ? 4) Trump is a career con-man. The turkeys are coming home to roost as we speak. His bankrupt casinos are a part of his business failures, Trump blaming the economy despite other casinos doing quite well. Chronic repeated over-borrowing which didn't match the income. A world view which doesn't match reality. 5) Trump thought that when he became president it was going to be showtime, like his TV program. While he certainly did fire those around him, he fired the wrong people who had served several presidents and who knew what they were talking about. Trump never learned to grow with the presidency, because as a "stable genius" he knew it all already. 6) Chinese "Commies" certainly know what they're doing. After Mao when the population was around 20% literate, the Chinese made the effort to educate their people, a stark difference to America and her allies, who reduced the education system in 1965 to where high school maths were at elementary school level, for one example. 7) The reasons why the US is stuffed is because of the govt being owned by Big Money, either (some) individuals like Bill Gates, or more often by corporate power. Their large donations to various govt agencies have distorted govt decision-making, and to make matters worse, there are/have been prominent politicians who have been influenced by foreign donations from not only China, but Russia as well. 8) Out-sourcing American jobs and labour to China etc has resulted in US dependence on both China AND Russia for some 45 CRITICAL metals essential for what American industries that are manufacturing on home soil, have left. When you deskill your country's labour and technical engineers the country becomes more and more dependent on foreign expertise, and subject to product manipulation, jacked exchange rates against the US Dollar, and diminishing influence in global trade. 9) Since corporate power runs America to a large extent, and the rich get richer at the expense of The People, the wealth disparity is enormous and growing. Corporates have no social conscience, only profit, and they as much as any other entity have committed virtual treason against America and all it stands for (ruined now by the Jan 6 riots). 10) On the other hand, China has its "corporates" that produce and compete on the world market, BUT are still answerable to the Communist Party i.e. the govt, not the corporates owning the govt as in the US. That is fundamentally the great difference in contrast. In other words, China (whatever you think of it) is UNIFIED, while the States, already fragmented into 50 self-governing entities, are divided at the federal level by partisan division, illustrated by your "lefty" comments, and those others here. 11) If America ever makes the mistake of going to war with China, the fragmented infrastructure of US corporate, govt, and armed forces will certainly result in eventual defeat by a resolute Chinese response that includes hundreds of thousands of soldiers that will give up their lives willingly in order to gain an objective that becomes a "permanent" part of China, or at least Chinese dominance, close to home, while instead only a temporary take-and-hold part of Taiwan or some other country close to China's mainland which America has decided to defend on behalf. 12) The stated numbers of Chinese military is doubtful. That known figure is the regulars, not the Reserves. Back in the early 70's in Time magazine, I saw a figure of 40 million reserves that China can call up. That figure has never been repeated, but when one considers how difficult it is to gain true figures (or anything) out of China, then that serves as a warning to others who would try and conduct hostilities close to Chinese home soil. Not counting the vast distances involved for American forces now that they have given up Afghanistan which was a strategic military base right on China's doorstep, a PRIME reason why Afghanistan should never have been given up (Trump agreement with the Taliban last year). That's your Daily Dozen, Capitaine. I agree with much of what you say quite often, but those are the prime reasons why America faces increasing irrelevance in today's international climate. Whether the US can recover, I do not know. I cannot see how a country that has outsourced so much industry to foreign powers can ever get back a fraction of what it once had. It's been betrayed by the MoneyMen of all types, and The People are ultimately the ones who suffer, once they wake up to what has happened, not counting the "Covid emergency".
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Post by captkronos on Sept 20, 2021 10:49:55 GMT
Macky,
First of all, let's recognize the reality that there is a Left and and Right in American politics, and that they have very different visions of the future they want for America. I think that's a truism. Your argument seems to be that those differing visions have no real-world consequences as it's neither the Right or Left's fault America is in decline. Or maybe it's even both. I can absolutely concede that everything contributing to the decline of America is not on the Left, but I argue their very vision, the foundational beliefs of their Party, are antithetical to the America that Americans have known. Death to the border, death to the culture, death to the language, death to Individual liberty (even the right to refuse an injection of mRNA), racial division as policy, pro-Abortion (anti-Life). They are inherently a cult of death, or decay of the organic State, only in typical Leftist fashion they use language to disguise it by calling it the opposite of what it is, and say it's "Progressive". Yes there is a Left. Yes the Left has beliefs that guide their policies. Yes those policies have cause and effect impact. That impact is detrimental to the health of the organism of the State of America.
As for Con-Men, We have a career con-man in the White House right now, a clearly senile puppet of someone/ones. If that's your problem with Trump, you know little about American politicians. Trump was elected by the American People for the exact reason we are tired of these career con-men politicos, content to continue managing America into oblivion while lining the pockets of their friends and families. Joe Biden will continue to do exactly that, manage the decline of America, only with Leftist policies he will accelerate that decline, because yes they are poison to the Tree of Liberty. Trump caught them all by surprise, forcing the Clintons and Bush families into irrelevance and retirement, and only succeeded because he had fame and money to withstand the storm. They took that and learned, and I doubt we'll ever see another President who isn't owned by Deep Pockets/Deep State.
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Post by saison on Sept 20, 2021 13:26:48 GMT
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Post by saison on Sept 20, 2021 13:45:55 GMT
Over the last few months I know 8 people that caught Covid. 1 unvaxxed, 7 vaxxed. Out of the 7 vaxxed only two of them had very mild cases.
Funny thing is that before that, out of all the people I know that came down with it, the vast majority (including myself) had mild cases.
One has to wonder when people are going to wake up and realize that just maybe this vaxx doesn't really work? Or perhaps most of the vaxxed people just don't want to admit that maybe they made a mistake and can't own up to it?
Quite strange to think that the media and governmental tyrants want to blame the unvaxxed for the fact that the vaxxed are catching what they were vaccinated against, and the sheeple are believing it - almost like they are in a hypnotic state.
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Post by mr potatohead on Sept 20, 2021 14:24:20 GMT
The "Conspiracy Theorists" usually ARE right. Why anyone would listen to the Media is beyond me, unless they like the sound of bullshit in their ears. State run propaganda here in the U.S. This entire thing was a bio-weapon to allow for a corrupt election allowing mass mail in fraud and get rid of the only guy the Left and Right didn't own. Do you think the ant colony Chinese Commies or American Left give a damn about killing 1/2 of 1 percent (if even that) of humanity? Anyone who can't see that is probably a brain-dead Lefty stuck in world-view no longer in touch with reality. Trump, being a career business man, never understood what he was really up against with the Deep State, or once he knew, it was too late. The U.S. is f*cked, and with it, the rest of the world. Who is going to stop the Chinese? Joe Biden? hahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!! If we survive his tenure without the Chinese destroying us it will be a miracle. We've had some interesting discussions over the years Capitaine, even 10-11 years ago. I remember our speculations as to whether Neil Armstrong actually went to the Moon, at least at that time, and Mags and Billfish commenting away with Mags' amused observation "we had to go half way round the world to find another Moon trip denier" or something of that nature. I repeat that the decline of America is not anything to do with "left" or "right', or at least, very little. 1) The govt is owned by Big Money/corporate power. Almost all the American media is owned by only six individuals. 2) Corrupt elections are nothing new. Russian interference was involved in 2016 and 2020 at least, with older elections being jacked by voter-intimidation etc. America has a long history of them. 3) There's a lot of brain-dead Righties as well as Lefties. Why is it that the Right believe they are the only ones who are patriots ? Tucker Carlson got his beans by Tammy Duckworth, a Dem senator and decorated war veteran for saying she hates America, or some such idiocy like that. Tucker even got roasted by a Fox colleague for it. Who's the brain dead here ? 4) Trump is a career con-man. The turkeys are coming home to roost as we speak. His bankrupt casinos are a part of his business failures, Trump blaming the economy despite other casinos doing quite well. Chronic repeated over-borrowing which didn't match the income. A world view which doesn't match reality. 5) Trump thought that when he became president it was going to be showtime, like his TV program. While he certainly did fire those around him, he fired the wrong people who had served several presidents and who knew what they were talking about. Trump never learned to grow with the presidency, because as a "stable genius" he knew it all already. 6) Chinese "Commies" certainly know what they're doing. After Mao when the population was around 20% literate, the Chinese made the effort to educate their people, a stark difference to America and her allies, who reduced the education system in 1965 to where high school maths were at elementary school level, for one example. 7) The reasons why the US is stuffed is because of the govt being owned by Big Money, either (some) individuals like Bill Gates, or more often by corporate power. Their large donations to various govt agencies have distorted govt decision-making, and to make matters worse, there are/have been prominent politicians who have been influenced by foreign donations from not only China, but Russia as well. 8) Out-sourcing American jobs and labour to China etc has resulted in US dependence on both China AND Russia for some 45 CRITICAL metals essential for what American industries that are manufacturing on home soil, have left. When you deskill your country's labour and technical engineers the country becomes more and more dependent on foreign expertise, and subject to product manipulation, jacked exchange rates against the US Dollar, and diminishing influence in global trade. 9) Since corporate power runs America to a large extent, and the rich get richer at the expense of The People, the wealth disparity is enormous and growing. Corporates have no social conscience, only profit, and they as much as any other entity have committed virtual treason against America and all it stands for (ruined now by the Jan 6 riots). 10) On the other hand, China has its "corporates" that produce and compete on the world market, BUT are still answerable to the Communist Party i.e. the govt, not the corporates owning the govt as in the US. That is fundamentally the great difference in contrast. In other words, China (whatever you think of it) is UNIFIED, while the States, already fragmented into 50 self-governing entities, are divided at the federal level by partisan division, illustrated by your "lefty" comments, and those others here. 11) If America ever makes the mistake of going to war with China, the fragmented infrastructure of US corporate, govt, and armed forces will certainly result in eventual defeat by a resolute Chinese response that includes hundreds of thousands of soldiers that will give up their lives willingly in order to gain an objective that becomes a "permanent" part of China, or at least Chinese dominance, close to home, while instead only a temporary take-and-hold part of Taiwan or some other country close to China's mainland which America has decided to defend on behalf. 12) The stated numbers of Chinese military is doubtful. That known figure is the regulars, not the Reserves. Back in the early 70's in Time magazine, I saw a figure of 40 million reserves that China can call up. That figure has never been repeated, but when one considers how difficult it is to gain true figures (or anything) out of China, then that serves as a warning to others who would try and conduct hostilities close to Chinese home soil. Not counting the vast distances involved for American forces now that they have given up Afghanistan which was a strategic military base right on China's doorstep, a PRIME reason why Afghanistan should never have been given up (Trump agreement with the Taliban last year). That's your Daily Dozen, Capitaine. I agree with much of what you say quite often, but those are the prime reasons why America faces increasing irrelevance in today's international climate. Whether the US can recover, I do not know. I cannot see how a country that has outsourced so much industry to foreign powers can ever get back a fraction of what it once had. It's been betrayed by the MoneyMen of all types, and The People are ultimately the ones who suffer, once they wake up to what has happened, not counting the "Covid emergency". macky; You know Trumps thoughts? Wow! I bet Andy is jelus. The Chinese are UNIFIED? Uh ..... oh, right, ok ..... (chuckles for the tongue-in-cheek stuff) The States are already fragmented into 50 self-governing entities? Yeah, that's correct, so what's new? It's always been that way by intentional design. Read the 10th amendment in the Constitution. China is ...... what then? .... undefeatable? Is that according to CNN? Gotta appear strong in the media when weakest, right?
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Post by macky on Sept 20, 2021 22:37:59 GMT
Macky, First of all, let's recognize the reality that there is a Left and and Right in American politics, and that they have very different visions of the future they want for America. I think that's a truism. Your argument seems to be that those differing visions have no real-world consequences as it's neither the Right or Left's fault America is in decline. Or maybe it's even both. I can absolutely concede that everything contributing to the decline of America is not on the Left, but I argue their very vision, the foundational beliefs of their Party, are antithetical to the America that Americans have known. Death to the border, death to the culture, death to the language, death to Individual liberty (even the right to refuse an injection of mRNA), racial division as policy, pro-Abortion (anti-Life). They are inherently a cult of death, or decay of the organic State, only in typical Leftist fashion they use language to disguise it by calling it the opposite of what it is, and say it's "Progressive". Yes there is a Left. Yes the Left has beliefs that guide their policies. Yes those policies have cause and effect impact. That impact is detrimental to the health of the organism of the State of America. As for Con-Men, We have a career con-man in the White House right now, a clearly senile puppet of someone/ones. If that's your problem with Trump, you know little about American politicians. Trump was elected by the American People for the exact reason we are tired of these career con-men politicos, content to continue managing America into oblivion while lining the pockets of their friends and families. Joe Biden will continue to do exactly that, manage the decline of America, only with Leftist policies he will accelerate that decline, because yes they are poison to the Tree of Liberty. Trump caught them all by surprise, forcing the Clintons and Bush families into irrelevance and retirement, and only succeeded because he had fame and money to withstand the storm. They took that and learned, and I doubt we'll ever see another President who isn't owned by Deep Pockets/Deep State. You bet there's a Left and a Right in American politics. Right now Americans seem to be living in two separate worlds as we speak. That can't be good for the country, or any country. I've watched the vitriol steadily increase over the last 10-11 years on this forum and frankly I'm dismayed by the partisan divisions only deepening as time goes on. One would think by the comments here at times that the Left is responsible for everything wrong in America. Of course that's not true, but it's an example of the constant partisan street-fighting at ground level, instead of raising the sights and examining who the real mover and shakers are. And I continue to point out that the life blood of ANY country is its economy, and that is managed by officials who are outside any People's electoral vote, and indeed govt oversight, whether Rep or Dem. Does that not impinge on the consciousness that Left and Right ultimately are superseded by those that operate above any political bent, and that routinely deal with global financial entities irrespective of any Left or Right considerations. In the "private" sector that owns the govt in the US, the 10% that own over two third of American wealth (and growing) is a red light example of why so much underlying distrust and agro continues, growing poverty and disenfranchisement in many directions illustrating the ultimate failure of predatory capitalism and utter govt corruption against The People. That's neither Left or Right, it's simply corruption. Trump caught nobody by surprise. The Powers That Be knew what he was long before he went for Prez, a self-interested narcissist that thought he was in the ultimate Showtime of his "career". A man who had pedophiles for friends, and whose business dealings were at best questionable. Like Biden, the PTB put in place two presidents that are/were fit for purpose for the PTB, but not for the People. Both, fall guys. Along with the super-rich and their rulers, THAT is the real problem that America has i.e. elections that allegedly put the "winner" into "power" but in fact have ALWAYS been rigged more often than not right back at least since the 60's. And probably before. The illusion of democracy has been in place for a very long time. And if there was anything "good" that Trump did (in general) was to incite the Jan 6 riots that demonstrated to the world just how unstable America really is and how far the adulation of a significant section of the population will go in order to subvert the very democracy that America has portrayed itself with, over the years. Do you honestly think for one moment that the real movers and shakers of America give two hoots about the border, or what sex someone believes themselves to be ? Or what language is spoken in the Land of Freedom and Democracy ? To the Powers That Be, people streaming over the border are only more tax payers, bank account holders, vaccine recipients to the glory of Pfizer et al. What sex someone has is irrelevant to their monetary status. Language the same. The country is being eaten from within, the bulk of the wealth in the hands of a few, the military undermined and humiliated first by Trump, then by Biden in Afghanistan, the Chinese no doubt breathing a sigh of relief when American control of of 70kms of their border retreated after 20 years of presenting a challenge to Chinese infiltration into the Middle East. All gone. American industrial might largely a thing of the past, outsourcing for cheap labour effectively stripping the mainland of sufficient numbers of employed expertise in all areas, now dependent largely upon politically-opposed countries. The thing that could be said to be all that is left, is the fiat regard for the American dollar as the world's predominant de facto reserve currency, for the last 20 years under attack from China with its two currencies and setting its exchange rates against the US$ in order to favour Chinese exports into America and around the world. Bush knew this and sent envoys to China to try and get them to set their rate higher. Yeah, right. Meanwhile the American corporates that influence govt decisions by constant lobbying and strategic cash payments encourage govt endorsement of outsourcing American labour and expertise, and driving wages down like here in NZ, setting the social scene where people cannot afford anything BUT cheap goods (in general) especially those that have lost their jobs, benefitting China at least twice over. While American rich, get richer. That's not Left nor Right. It is the way things are at the hands of a few.
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Post by macky on Sept 20, 2021 23:34:10 GMT
macky; You know Trumps thoughts? Wow! I bet Andy is jelus. The Chinese are UNIFIED? Uh ..... oh, right, ok ..... (chuckles for the tongue-in-cheek stuff) The States are already fragmented into 50 self-governing entities? Yeah, that's correct, so what's new? It's always been that way by intentional design. Read the 10th amendment in the Constitution. China is ...... what then? .... undefeatable? Is that according to CNN? Gotta appear strong in the media when weakest, right? Trump's thoughts in general are as transparent as any self-focused individual could be. The only thing uncertain is his attention span of about 5 seconds before his mind wanders off on another avenue. China is certainly unified compared to America. Its state corporates and an estimated 700-1000 billionaires (Commies ?) that compete on the world stage are all answerable to the governing body, not the other way around like it is in America. Like I said, the Constitution is out of date by a hundred years or more. Once corporate power began to rise in the US late 19th century (possibly before), state governorship was more a hindrance than a unified collective, particularly since the Constitution was ratified when only 13 states existed, and in a vastly different world than now. In fact, if it was anything that unified America, it was war, and the corporates themselves that employed so much of the People's labour and expertise. No country is undefeatable even if it has sufficient resources to conduct a war. While China may not win a naval battle, it can still muster up huge resources that simply do not exist in America. People. How long do you think that America would last in order to (say) look after Taiwan, before American resources ran out, thousands of miles away from its base ? You also have the will of the US People to contend with in a country long engaged in armed conflict 94 years out of a hundred for the 20th century. The 21st speaks for itself, most of it the US in various wars. And speaking of naval warfare. American carriers with their capability to extend hostilities hundreds (thousands?) of miles away are pretty much finished in essence, like the battleships of WW2, and even WW1, as more numerous and cheaper submarines and aircraft came "online". The carriers will be prime targets not only for elimination of serious threat, but national morale, the public shock (on both sides) notable, of the sending to the bottom of the sea great battleships and battlecruisers of WW2 firstly in the Atlantic, then the carriers (on both sides) in the Pacific war. China in recent years has conducted full-scale effort in constructing anti-carrier missiles, and if several of these were let loose from all quarters around a carrier, I doubt they all would be repulsed. Remember the British Tallboy bombs of WW2, only a few required to sink the Tirpitz (one through the bow that effectively stopped the ship from going anywhere, the keel buckled, two on the port deck later that capsized the ship, along with other near-misses exploding in the water that buckled hull plates) all from a five-ton bomb freefalling through the speed of sound on its way down. China doesn't necessarily have to start with Taiwan or even Japan (that it owes a BIG "favour", not forgotten I can assure you). The creeping influence of China throughout the South Pacific and in Asia in general is now expanding into the Middle East, slowly but surely. Expect more gains now that America has left Afghanistan. And the huge People resource that the Chinese can muster is ideal backup for land wars, already long ongoing against India over disputed territory, which to China is only a training exercise. And given that America now depends so much on other countries commercially, it would be very unwise to start anything serious with China.
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Post by mr potatohead on Sept 21, 2021 7:38:33 GMT
Remember "Tokyo Rose"?
I think I'll call rhetoric like this "Beijing Bertha".
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Post by macky on Sept 21, 2021 20:17:28 GMT
Remember "Tokyo Rose"? I think I'll call rhetoric like this "Beijing Bertha". You can call it what you like, mikey. I've posted easily checkable general facts, not propaganda.
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