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Post by pierinifitness on Mar 3, 2020 2:49:22 GMT
If you really want to know, get some blood work done, it’s not that expensive. Skip your health insurance plan saying no and that it’s not necessary. I order most of my lab work from Direct Labs - www.directlabs.com.
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Post by vegetus25 on Mar 3, 2020 3:21:30 GMT
I take a multi, vit D, B-12, creatine, taurine, protein powder, and glycine. I have noticed a difference from taking the creatine and glycine. I take the others as insurance and use the protein powder for convenience.
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Post by Magnus on Mar 3, 2020 3:46:00 GMT
If you really want to know, get some blood work done, it’s not that expensive. Skip your health insurance plan saying no and that it’s not necessary. I order most of my lab work from Direct Labs - www.directlabs.com. Curious what 'blood work' you're suggesting that would reveal vitamin and mineral deficiencies ?...
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Post by Magnus on Mar 3, 2020 3:47:41 GMT
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Post by Magnus on Mar 3, 2020 4:16:38 GMT
If you really want to know, get some blood work done, it’s not that expensive. Skip your health insurance plan saying no and that it’s not necessary. I order most of my lab work from Direct Labs - www.directlabs.com. ***I went to the 'directlabs.com' link you provided and the fat soluble vitamin profile kit alone is over $400 ?... It could end up costing many times that amount if a person wanted to test themselves for the full spectrum of vitamins and minerals. I went to a few other places online and basically found the same thing... Here's an "affordable" one that tests for only 13 different vitamins but will cost you $499 ?... www.healthlabs.com/vitamin-nutritional-health-testing yikes, I'll be skipping that for sure. All that $$$ aside, I will once again highly recommend that if you're not working outdoors in the sunshine everyday, and for whatever reason choose not to supplement with vitamin D, you'd better go get your levels checked and have a knowledgeable doctor go over the results with you. Like I said earlier, I can fully GUARANTEE that you're deficient...
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Post by Magnus on Mar 3, 2020 4:30:19 GMT
Astaxanthin, Lutein & Zeaxanthin absolutely work...
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 3, 2020 10:16:49 GMT
If you really want to know, get some blood work done, ....... The current reference values for blood "work" evaluation are based on current observations of average current population sampling, right? I recommend reading BG's entire article, but in the part quoted above, it says: My question then would be, if blood "work" does reveal mineral and vitamin deficient levels in the first place, will it also reveal how our levels differ when compared to our great-ancestors levels who ate plants and animals food grown in more (mineral) rich soil before big agribiz ruined it with chemical fertilizers, pesticides and herbicides? I don't care about how my mineral and vitamin levels compare to people in the modern, industrialized world who are eating the SAD (Standard American Diet) that has been enthusiastically grabbed by China (and is now making them sick and dead). I want the food purity, for all of my food, that my great grandparents and earlier humans enjoyed. Tests based on what is currently considered to be "normal" do not interest me at all. Besides, the "standards" are changed at intervals to better reflect what the world population is experiencing at the time, so it comes back to comparing ourselves to others who eat a mineral and vitamin deficient diet to evaluate the health of our diets? No thanks.
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Post by Michael on Mar 3, 2020 11:51:26 GMT
This has become an interesting thread. See Mr. P, I think I'm going to put on my calendar to start the same thread next year on January 4th, .
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Post by Dave Reslo on Mar 3, 2020 14:09:12 GMT
I'm not going to read any of this
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 3, 2020 14:26:07 GMT
- insert Mutley here - ....... I think I'm going to put on my calendar to start the same thread next year on January 4th ..... By next year, it would add up to, like, "Supplement Bowl XXVII" - or something. teehee! (wish I could use the emotes)
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Post by Magnus on Mar 3, 2020 14:50:02 GMT
This has become an interesting thread... Wait, it gets better
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Post by pierinifitness on Mar 3, 2020 15:30:57 GMT
Thanks for sharing but that's a yawner Mag. You spend time watching Dr. Oz? I thought only chicks did that. As far as mouth sores go, my manly advice is to pick the fur burgers you nibble on.
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Post by pierinifitness on Mar 3, 2020 15:52:02 GMT
If you really want to know, get some blood work done, ....... The current reference values for blood "work" evaluation are based on current observations of average current population sampling, right? I recommend reading BG's entire article, but in the part quoted above, it says: My question then would be, if blood "work" does reveal mineral and vitamin deficient levels in the first place, will it also reveal how our levels differ when compared to our great-ancestors levels who ate plants and animals food grown in more (mineral) rich soil before big agribiz ruined it with chemical fertilizers, pesticides and herbicides? I don't care about how my mineral and vitamin levels compare to people in the modern, industrialized world who are eating the SAD (Standard American Diet) that has been enthusiastically grabbed by China (and is now making them sick and dead). I want the food purity, for all of my food, that my great grandparents and earlier humans enjoyed. Tests based on what is currently considered to be "normal" do not interest me at all. Besides, the "standards" are changed at intervals to better reflect what the world population is experiencing at the time, so it comes back to comparing ourselves to others who eat a mineral and vitamin deficient diet to evaluate the health of our diets? No thanks. Mr. P, life expectancy of our ancestors is a tad bit less than for us, wouldn't you say. So much for the great minerals and vitamins they consumed that we don't. And, regarding SAD, what an overused term in discussions like this. Everyone is taking a stab at SAD so you've got to wonder, who eats SAD-style. Do you? I think what's really important is to focus, monitor and manage the measures that relate to the leading causes of death which is heart disease. In my age group, it's cancer but heart disease is a close second. Here's the list: pierini-fitness.blogspot.com/2012/05/pierini-middle-age-man-health-wellness.htmlGetting regular blood work that keeps on eye of our LIPID panel, fasting glucose, TSH, testosterone along with a complete blood count provides good evidence of how we're doing. Keeping bodyweight on the low side is likely beneficial. Ever wonder why them poodles and chihuahuas seem to live forever while them Great Danes and St. Bernards check out early? The research on this can be mixed but most 90 year plus people I know aren't the portly type. I have an MD client who told me once the best way to see how is our health is to apply for a million dollar insurance policy at our age. The insurance company will work you over and this I believe. For years, I had a group life insurance policy with preferred rates through a professional association group that I'm a member. When I turned 60, they no longer allowed me to answer some questions favorably to qualified for a healthy person preferred rate. I had to have a physical. A nurse came to my office and conducted it including giving me an EKG. Fortunately, I passed and continued having a preferred policy rate (have since cancelled the policy because I don't need it.) For everyone else, who's a middle-aged man, I recommend you take my Pierini Fitness Middle-age Man Health & Wellness Exam, explained here: pierini-fitness.blogspot.com/2012/05/pierini-middle-age-man-health-wellness.htmlI have an MD client who's an ophthalmologist. I'm going to call him later today and ask for his opinion on lutein and some of the other eye-improvement stuff mentioned in this discussion. If I can remember, I'll report back. Best to avoid developing nutrition neurosis. It's not healthy.
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Post by pierinifitness on Mar 3, 2020 16:00:03 GMT
If you really want to know, get some blood work done, it’s not that expensive. Skip your health insurance plan saying no and that it’s not necessary. I order most of my lab work from Direct Labs - www.directlabs.com. ***I went to the 'directlabs.com' link you provided and the fat soluble vitamin profile kit alone is over $400 ?... It could end up costing many times that amount if a person wanted to test themselves for the full spectrum of vitamins and minerals. I went to a few other places online and basically found the same thing... Here's an "affordable" one that tests for only 13 different vitamins but will cost you $499 ?... www.healthlabs.com/vitamin-nutritional-health-testing yikes, I'll be skipping that for sure. All that $$$ aside, I will once again highly recommend that if you're not working outdoors in the sunshine everyday, and for whatever reason choose not to supplement with vitamin D, you'd better go get your levels checked and have a knowledgeable doctor go over the results with you. Like I said earlier, I can fully GUARANTEE that you're deficient... Mag, there are some ND types that offer more affordable lab work packages that test for mineral and vitamin deficiencies, I just didn't post them. I don't work outdoors but I live in California and exercise outdoors, getting, I judge, plenty of sunshine. I might have a Vitamin D deficiency but when I look at the risk factors and symptoms, I'm not overly concerned that I have a deficiency. But, since I haven't had recent blood work, I really don't know, just like most people who gobble up Vitamin D supplements; they really don't know if they need them. Nutrition folklore abounds in so many fitness forum discussions about nutrition. Everyone is an expert. My aging partner in crime, Gruntbrain, recently sent me this great article that further drives home my point: www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/when-it-comes-to-nutrition-were-all-too-eager-to-ignore-the-evidence-heres-why/2020/02/23/d4dd8534-54a8-11ea-9e47-59804be1dcfb_story.htmlNow kombucha, not for me; I prefer snake oil, it tastes better.
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 3, 2020 18:38:29 GMT
.... Mr. P, life expectancy of our ancestors is a tad bit less than for us, wouldn't you say. So much for the great minerals and vitamins they consumed that we don't. And, regarding SAD, what an overused term in discussions like this. Everyone is taking a stab at SAD so you've got to wonder, who eats SAD-style. Do you? .... The more nutritious food that was available to our ancestors is not what caused them to die earlier, so no point for that. SAD is relevant to this discussion since SAD does not have the nutrition of real food. It is less than ideal for a person to eat a SAD and then supplement to make up for it, although there are times when I eat meat that may not have been raised organically. I do think that the SAD can be improved by taking certain supplements like enzymes and probiotics, ..... BUT ..... Fix diet first, then take high the quality supplements that benefit you.
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