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Post by chanduthemagician on Jan 3, 2020 4:59:58 GMT
In the Maxwell thread we talked about the need for folks that give advice to look the part. I called bullshit on that and still do. Tonight I was re-reading some of Body by Science.
Dr. Doug McGuff addresses statistical variation in Body By Science as it relates to coaching
That's exactly the point I was trying to make, but maybe didn't do a good job of.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jan 3, 2020 6:02:30 GMT
An Expert who looks the part:
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Post by Magnus on Jan 3, 2020 18:35:18 GMT
Dr. Doug McGuff addresses statistical variation in Body By Science as it relates to coaching I'm surprised someone like McGuff would take the low road and invoke the "it's all genetics" total COP-OUT...
To someone like him I would say:
"Often in the fitness world, someone who appears to have above-average academic credentials or capabilities is assumed to be a legitimate authority. The problem with granting authority to academic credentials is that a large part of an individual's expression of such above-average academic credentials and capabilities could simply be the result of wild variations across a statistical landscape".
Later I would state... "to make matters worse, many people who happen to possess such abnormal academic credentials frequently misidentify themselves as sources of authority taking credit for something that nature has, in essence randomly dropped in their laps"....
And then I would add:
"a prime example of having 'nature randomly drop something in someones lap' as being 'mommy & daddy' having the financial means to pay for juniors 'academic credentials' in the first place, while other, less 'authoritative' experts weren't so fortunate, and actually qualified their 'expertise' by toiling in the sweaty and dirty fields of trial & error"...
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Post by mr potatohead on Jan 3, 2020 18:45:14 GMT
In the Maxwell thread we talked about the need for folks that give advice to look the part. I called bullshit on that and still do. Tonight I was re-reading some of Body by Science. Dr. Doug McGuff addresses statistical variation in Body By Science as it relates to coaching That's exactly the point I was trying to make, but maybe didn't do a good job of. I think that in any teaching situation in life or area of interest that involves someone coaching students, it is very naive to believe that someone is or isn't knowledgeable based solely on their appearance.
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Post by Magnus on Jan 3, 2020 19:19:49 GMT
In the Maxwell thread we talked about the need for folks that give advice to look the part. I called bullshit on that and still do. Tonight I was re-reading some of Body by Science. Dr. Doug McGuff addresses statistical variation in Body By Science as it relates to coaching That's exactly the point I was trying to make, but maybe didn't do a good job of. I think that in any teaching situation in life or area of interest that involves someone coaching students, it is very naive to believe that someone is or isn't knowledgeable based solely on their appearance. I admittedly don't know too much about McGuff, although from his pics and video's he appears to be in reasonable shape, at least he was when the pics and video's were taken (?)... But I do know that McGuff co-authored a book with John R. Little of 'Static Contraction' fame, and I do know that John R. Little looks like the freaking Pillbury Dough Boy, along with his training method of 'Static Contraction' pretty much NOT actually working for anyone I know that tried it with an honest effort (Dave Walmsley).... To my way of thinking, 'naivety' is thinking that the physical fitness world is anything other than VERY SIMPLE, and needs any or all of these 'doctors', be they of the medical or PhD variety involved in the first place ? We also really don't need so many of these seminar and youtube video 'stars' either, be they people who at least appear to partake in actual training, or worse yet, some gluttonous looking fatty that gets revered by all of the physical fitness 'fanboys' and 'fangirls' out there, and that's what I would call "naive", bless their hearts !...
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Post by chanduthemagician on Jan 3, 2020 23:59:06 GMT
Dr. Doug McGuff addresses statistical variation in Body By Science as it relates to coaching I'm surprised someone like McGuff would take the low road and invoke the "it's all genetics" total COP-OUT...
To someone like him I would say:
"Often in the fitness world, someone who appears to have above-average academic credentials or capabilities is assumed to be a legitimate authority. The problem with granting authority to academic credentials is that a large part of an individual's expression of such above-average academic credentials and capabilities could simply be the result of wild variations across a statistical landscape".
Later I would state... "to make matters worse, many people who happen to possess such abnormal academic credentials frequently misidentify themselves as sources of authority taking credit for something that nature has, in essence randomly dropped in their laps"....
And then I would add:
"a prime example of having 'nature randomly drop something in someones lap' as being 'mommy & daddy' having the financial means to pay for juniors 'academic credentials' in the first place, while other, less 'authoritative' experts weren't so fortunate, and actually qualified their 'expertise' by toiling in the sweaty and dirty fields of trial & error"... If that's what you would say, that is certainly telling. It's one thing to look at oneself in the mirror and say, look, I must know what I'm doing. Quite another to earn degrees from non diploma mill schools and sport some letters behind your name, know what you are talking about and share your information. If you can't see that distinction, I don't know what to tell you. He certainly didn't say it's all genetics. Do you think Brock Lesner worked waayyy harder than everyone else, or do you think he had superior genetics?
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Post by Magnus on Jan 4, 2020 0:03:53 GMT
I'm surprised someone like McGuff would take the low road and invoke the "it's all genetics" total COP-OUT...
To someone like him I would say:
"Often in the fitness world, someone who appears to have above-average academic credentials or capabilities is assumed to be a legitimate authority. The problem with granting authority to academic credentials is that a large part of an individual's expression of such above-average academic credentials and capabilities could simply be the result of wild variations across a statistical landscape".
Later I would state... "to make matters worse, many people who happen to possess such abnormal academic credentials frequently misidentify themselves as sources of authority taking credit for something that nature has, in essence randomly dropped in their laps"....
And then I would add:
"a prime example of having 'nature randomly drop something in someones lap' as being 'mommy & daddy' having the financial means to pay for juniors 'academic credentials' in the first place, while other, less 'authoritative' experts weren't so fortunate, and actually qualified their 'expertise' by toiling in the sweaty and dirty fields of trial & error"... If that's what you would say, that is certainly telling. It's one thing to look at oneself in the mirror and say, look, I must know what I'm doing. Quite another to earn degrees from non diploma mill schools and sport some letters behind your name, know what you are talking about and share your information. If you can't see that distinction, I don't know what to tell you. He certainly didn't say it's all genetics. Yes he did...
..."to make matters worse, many people who happen to possess such abnormal physical capabilities frequently misidentify themselves as sources of authority taking credit for something that nature has, in essence randomly dropped in their laps."
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Post by Magnus on Jan 4, 2020 0:14:22 GMT
....also, the thing is, you don't need academic "degrees" to be an expert in the physical fitness field, or in many other 'fields' for that matter. I'd personally much rather ask advice from someone who has actually achieved whatever it is that I seek, rather than some supposed 'expert' who seemingly never actually achieved what he's an 'expert' in, and whose only credentials are 'academic'...
Put it to you this way...
Who would YOU take business and/or financial advice from, an older guy that never even finished High School, yet went on to turn himself into a successful and very rich entrepreneur, or some kid that's fresh out of college with a 'business degree', yet never held a real job in his life other than working behind the counter at 7-11 ?
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Post by Magnus on Jan 4, 2020 0:18:56 GMT
Seems 'Magnus' and I are in total agreement...
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Post by chanduthemagician on Jan 4, 2020 0:48:57 GMT
I'm going to bow out you don't, won't or can't understand.
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Post by Magnus on Jan 4, 2020 0:55:04 GMT
I'm going to bow out you don't, won't or can't understand.
No I understand, you and some others on the forum think it's ok for a 'health guru' to be knowledgeable in their chosen field, but physically unhealthy when it comes to their personal selves, and that someone like me is "naive" for thinking that type of situation is absolutely ridiculous.... Got it
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Post by chanduthemagician on Jan 4, 2020 1:03:14 GMT
Thanks for proving my point. I hope your doctors are all 6'4 250 and ripped, cause otherwise they don't know shit.
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Post by Magnus on Jan 4, 2020 1:03:34 GMT
....and also that if someone has actually achieved a high level of physical fitness and strength for themselves without having academic credentials aka "degrees from non diploma mill schools" they most positively have to be 'genetically gifted', just like "Brock Lesnar".... LMAO
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Post by chanduthemagician on Jan 4, 2020 1:12:03 GMT
Nope. But there is a bell curve and if you are at one end or the other chances are you are there because you are gentically gifted or genetically robbed for your chosen pursuit. That's all I'm saying. Looks have nothing to do with what someone knows or can teach you.
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Post by Magnus on Jan 4, 2020 1:25:33 GMT
Thanks for proving my point. I hope your doctors are all 6'4 250 and ripped, cause otherwise they don't know shit.
Hmmmm, at least some docs know their limitations...
Sometime in the early 2000's I had an accident where I ripped my left shoulder to smithereens. It was a Friday night, and the hospital emergency room put me under anesthesia and then into a sort of body cast to keep me stable until I could get to an orthopedic surgeon....
...long story short, awhile later, after seeing the doc etc., I had gone back to my doc to check how the injury was healing and he gave the green light for me to begin rehab. He checked the strength of the injured left shoulder and started to tell me about the rehab exercises that I'd soon start doing. I reminded him about how in 1996 I was in a motorcycle accident and had dislocated my right shoulder. He asked me where I'd gone for rehab and I told him that I didn't go anywhere, I rehabbed my right shoulder myself. He then proceeded to check my right shoulders range of motion and then performed a few simple tests to see how strong and stable my shoulder was. The tests were basically a front and side lateral while he opposed my arm from moving (or at least tried to)... ... His exact words were "DUDE !....whatever you did to rehab and get that kind of strength in THAT shoulder just do the same for your left !!!"...
He did show me one exercise that directly hits and strengthens the rotator cuff, and I also told him about a simple device that I'd researched online and had used in my previous rehab called a 'Shoulder Horn'... Highly recommend that device for anyone with shoulder injuries.... but I can't blame anyone who doesn't believe me because I lack 'academic credentials' from a "non-diploma mill school"...
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