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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 7, 2017 22:22:13 GMT
What is the definition of a "Yielding Isometric" then? Is it the same as what I posted in the "Dynamic Isometrics" thread? A Yielding Isometric is pulling or pushing on something that gives up to a certain extent, as in you can only stretch it so far, as in a Bullworker or a doggie ring. A Belt Isometric is where you slide your hands in opposite directions along a belt (or something of a similar nature), gripping it to provide some resistance as you do so, and then stopping at intervals for an isometric. Well, you can also push or pull on a belt while allowing your grip to slowly slip and stop at any point for an iso, so I don't see the effective difference on muscles involved between that and a YI. The only difference I see is that you have chosen l to limit the Belt Isometric to pulling only, although it can also be done by pushing, starting w/ hands together and crossed over chest or whatever. Is that it? Belt Isometric = pulling ONLY ? |
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 7, 2017 22:30:20 GMT
Of course you can push on a Belt isometric. I was just giving an example. Well, if you can't see the difference between controlling resistance by gripping whilst sliding, and pulling on, say, an inner tube, then I can't help you.
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Post by fatjake on Nov 7, 2017 22:46:19 GMT
Is this a "Yielding Isometric" w/ a belt? If so, can you do a Yielding Isometric w/ a rope? How about a chain? Could you use poles? Suspension trainer? And yet, they are ALL Yielding Isometrics? Why not just keep the name, Yielding Isometric and then add, as prefix or suffix, the equipment or method used? Why do Twats feel the need to invent new terms to replace perfectly fine existing ones? Not saying anyone here is a Twat, but that is what the Twats do, you know? I agree with this actually, well some of it. Naming it after the belt, in this case, does not make much sense, as the exercise would be exactly the same with a strap or chain as you say. The belt bit is not really important. However, I dont agree that we should not name the exercise at all, it is different to what most people would call an isometric exercise, plus it is different to any conventional weight training exercise I can think of. It would be silly to think we don't name exercises and just lump them all together under general categories. As far as I can tell, there is no existing name for this type of exercise. |
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 7, 2017 23:19:57 GMT
I think naming it Belt Isometrics is just fine. Strap Isometrics would be more apropos, as the word "strap" can generically refer to any number of things. But I like the sound of Belt Isometrics better. And, for that matter, the word "belt" could also be considered generic. And the term is appropriate as you are doing isometrics using a belt (or a facsimile, thereof).
Now here is my final word on the subject: Dynamic, as far as I'm concerned, can be retired to the Fitness Dust Bin along with other words that have become cliches in the fitness world; Power, Warrior.....
Anyone can call Cedric's Isometrics anything they want. I will now refer to Dynamic Isometrics as Belt Isometrics (thank you, Bruv). Further, I have added two Belt Isometrics to my routine using my Exergenie. Nit-pickers extraordinaire can nit-pick this into barf infinitum, for all I care.
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 8, 2017 0:56:45 GMT
Of course you can push on a Belt isometric. I was just giving an example. Well, if you can't see the difference between controlling resistance by gripping whilst sliding, and pulling on, say, an inner tube, then I can't help you. OK, I do see what you're saying about the difference in how the muscles controlling grip would be affected. Thanks. That's what I was asking with too many words - "What's the difference"? I know I'm slow sometimes. Oh, and Belt Isometrics sounds fine to me. |
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 8, 2017 1:11:41 GMT
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Post by gruntbrain on Nov 8, 2017 1:15:23 GMT
Introduce push back resistance to belt isometrics by using a length of a flat resistance band instead of a strap that has no give .
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Post by hagerwf on Nov 8, 2017 2:27:52 GMT
I'm actually kind of proud that I started this thing with my mention of "dynamic long hold isometrics". At first I was kind of pissed off that the innocent mention of an exercise that I enjoyed doing and wished to share with others on the "new" Brucie forum devolved into an endless argument over the name that was used to describe the exercise. But it is truly amazing that mentioning this exercise has resulted in pages and pages of messages arguing the same point over and over and over and over. Reminds me of when my mother was in a nursing home and there were a couple of senile old ladies who would argue every day, literally all day long, about what their husbands names were. "Your husband's name was Henry"..."No, my husbands name was George, your husband's name was Henry"..."No, I think my husband's name was Lou, your husband's name was Henry"...
Please don't take this to suggest that you guys remind me of a bunch of senile old ladies.
Sorry to interrupt. Please resume the debate. Its time for me to do my dynamic long hold isometrics.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 8, 2017 2:43:26 GMT
You must mean your Belt Isometrics.
Thank you. The debate is over.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Nov 8, 2017 10:11:59 GMT
A Belt Isometric is where you slide your hands in opposite directions along a belt (or something of a similar nature), gripping it to provide some resistance as you do so, and then stopping at intervals for an isometric. So if somebody is doing isometrics with a belt and not moving at all (As in isometric exercise) I suppose that is not belt isometrics? What would you call it? |
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Nov 8, 2017 10:13:31 GMT
Anyone can call Cedric's Isometrics anything they want. I will now refer to Dynamic Isometrics as Belt Isometrics (thank you, Bruv). Nothing to do with me at all. |
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 8, 2017 15:02:47 GMT
A Belt Isometric is where you slide your hands in opposite directions along a belt (or something of a similar nature), gripping it to provide some resistance as you do so, and then stopping at intervals for an isometric. So if somebody is doing isometrics with a belt and not moving at all (As in isometric exercise) I suppose that is not belt isometrics? What would you call it? I had asked you the same question when you proposed Belt Isometrics as a name. |
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Nov 9, 2017 9:20:02 GMT
I never proposed it as a name.
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