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Post by mr potatohead on May 30, 2019 20:43:03 GMT
You can't judge a book by looking at the cover. It should be a song.
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Post by gruntbrain on May 30, 2019 23:46:34 GMT
You can't judge a woman by talking to or looking at her mother .
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Post by Bruce Tackett on May 31, 2019 14:54:02 GMT
Granted, Bruce. I think it's safe to say that a good big man will usually be stronger than a good small man.
But how about Denis Rogers ? I don't know for sure, but he doesn't seem to be a big guy in his photos. And some of the old-timers like Maxick were quite small, by today's standards.
Farmer Burns etc ……... Yes, they were all strong men, but not as strong as the strongest man of them all.  |
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Post by Mr Average on May 31, 2019 19:32:45 GMT
The winners of the strong man contests always seem to be the biggest. Agreed, but when you do the maths they are not always pound for pound stronger, for example Eddie Hall deadlifted 500kg for one rep with a bodyweight of 410lb which is x 2.68 of his bodyweight. Richard Hawthorne deadlifted 600lb for 5 reps with a bodyweight of 130lb which is x 4.61 of his bodyweight. So if Eddie was to be pound for pound as strong a Richard he would have to deadlift around 1890lbs for at least one rep.
How many big strong men deadlift over 4 times their bodyweight?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 16:18:42 GMT
Different kinds of strength for different size people. Although one may not have strength in a way if you compared Mark Henry to say the Mighty Atom or Kaz to Zass but size does matter for specific goals. You can still be small and have incredible strength or be a beast at 400 plus pounds and have strength but if depends on what kind of strength someone shoots for and what is achievable.
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Post by Mr Average on Jun 1, 2019 20:43:38 GMT
Different kinds of strength for different size people. Although one may not have strength in a way if you compared Mark Henry to say the Mighty Atom or Kaz to Zass but size does matter for specific goals. You can still be small and have incredible strength or be a beast at 400 plus pounds and have strength but if depends on what kind of strength someone shoots for and what is achievable. I agree there are people who are mentally stronger than others powerandmight.blogspot.com/2019/05/why-did-i-let-them-win.html
Great impression of a coffee table BTW.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 20:46:00 GMT
Different kinds of strength for different size people. Although one may not have strength in a way if you compared Mark Henry to say the Mighty Atom or Kaz to Zass but size does matter for specific goals. You can still be small and have incredible strength or be a beast at 400 plus pounds and have strength but if depends on what kind of strength someone shoots for and what is achievable. I agree there are people who are mentally stronger than others powerandmight.blogspot.com/2019/05/why-did-i-let-them-win.html
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jun 2, 2019 2:40:21 GMT
The winners of the strong man contests always seem to be the biggest. Agreed, but when you do the maths they are not always pound for pound stronger, for example Eddie Hall deadlifted 500kg for one rep with a bodyweight of 410lb which is x 2.68 of his bodyweight. Richard Hawthorne deadlifted 600lb for 5 reps with a bodyweight of 130lb which is x 4.61 of his bodyweight. So if Eddie was to be pound for pound as strong a Richard he would have to deadlift around 1890lbs for at least one rep.
How many big strong men deadlift over 4 times their bodyweight?
Nonetheless, at the end of the day, it is the guy who has lifted the heaviest weight who is the winner of a strongman contest. The current strongest man in the world is Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson - "The Mountain" on Game of Thrones. 6'9", 400 lbs. |
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Post by Mr Average on Jun 2, 2019 23:22:10 GMT
Agreed, but when you do the maths they are not always pound for pound stronger, for example Eddie Hall deadlifted 500kg for one rep with a bodyweight of 410lb which is x 2.68 of his bodyweight. Richard Hawthorne deadlifted 600lb for 5 reps with a bodyweight of 130lb which is x 4.61 of his bodyweight. So if Eddie was to be pound for pound as strong a Richard he would have to deadlift around 1890lbs for at least one rep.
How many big strong men deadlift over 4 times their bodyweight?
Nonetheless, at the end of the day, it is the guy who has lifted the heaviest weight who is the winner of a strongman contest. The current strongest man in the world is Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson - "The Mountain" on Game of Thrones. 6'9", 400 lbs. I agree with the fact that the guy who lifts the heaviest weight is the winner. IMO using WSM as an example of strength vs size is not always correct and the biggest and heaviest guys are not always the strongest Jouko Ahola 6' 1" 275 lbs 2 times WSM Mariusz Pudzianowski 6' 1" 313 lbs 5 times WSM and current record holder for the last 11 years Gary Taylor 6' 0" 295 lbs 1 time WSM Svend Karlsen 6' 2" 287 lbs 1 time winner WSM Magnús Ver Magnusson 6' 3" 287 lbs 4 times WSM en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_Strongest_Man
There are probably more examples, I know that the guys I quoted are not considered small by normal standards, but they are small in the world of WSM and pound for pound stronger than any of the bigger and heavier guys, that they competed against.
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Post by chanduthemagician on Jun 7, 2019 7:15:58 GMT
Yes and no.
Yes, a larger muscle is stronger than a smaller one BUT on the individual. You can't compare from one person to the next based on muscle size and draw any meaningful conclusions. Limb length / leverages / origin and insertion points all come into play.
If all other things are kept the same and I train and get larger muscles, I will be stronger. I can also get stronger by not increasing muscle size but by increasing technique or the ability to contract a higher percentage of fibers in a particular muscle.
When comparing individuals people arrive at all sorts of erroneous conclusions. Kind of like how some say swimming will lead to a swimmers build. NO. Swimming naturally selects for people whose build is suited to it and that is why the physiques at the top ranks look largely the same, not because of the training. A short stocky fuck is never going to look like Micheal Phelps no matter how many oceans he swims across.
We are individuals and can really only compete and compare methods with ourself. Take heart, that is the best way to find out what works for you. I don't give a fuck what high volume workout works for some drug pig, I care what works for me.
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Post by stormshadow on Jun 7, 2019 22:09:15 GMT
Interesting thread. Also remember that many of the implements that are used on the Strongest Man competition are built for bigger people with large hands, long levers and so on. I knew an iron worker that made an iron sphere weighing about 310 pounds. It was the size of a large beach ball. He could lift it at will and bring to his shoulder. I could lift it off ground but no higher than my waist. Terrible form and painful
We went to Highland games and there were replicas of Atlas stones. Some weighed much less than his iron sphere but he could not get his arms around them to lift them. He was average size and around 210. I did not try because I did not want to fail in front of an audience.
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Post by chanduthemagician on Jun 9, 2019 3:30:41 GMT
Interesting thread. Also remember that many of the implements that are used on the Strongest Man competition are built for bigger people with large hands, long levers and so on. I knew an iron worker that made an iron sphere weighing about 310 pounds. It was the size of a large beach ball. He could lift it at will and bring to his shoulder. I could lift it off ground but no higher than my waist. Terrible form and painful We went to Highland games and there were replicas of Atlas stones. Some weighed much less than his iron sphere but he could not get his arms around them to lift them. He was average size and around 210. I did not try because I did not want to fail in front of an audience. Good points about equipment that caters to one's strengths. Taking that further, I would say some of the strongmen of the circus/vaudeville era, while certainly strong also probably had a few implements that aided in their demonstration of strength. In other words, the correct handle thickness for them, the correct size for them to get a grip, etc. The only old time strongman thing I ever saw first hand was a solid cast dumbbell a buddy had who said it was his grandfather's. The story was that grandfather would take it to the county fair and challenge people to lift it by pressing it overhead with 1 arm. He could, but very few others could. It weighed around 140 lbs if I remember correctly and it was a longer than normal dumbbell handle area. I remember lifting it 4 times, but not in a one hand pressing motion, but rather gripping it with both hands and doing a very narrow grip overhead press. |
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