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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Nov 5, 2017 6:31:43 GMT
I wasn't answering your question about what to call it. I was replying in response to the actual video that I replied to on Youtube. Well, I'm asking you if you know of a word that means "Taking hold of a strap or any other thin, long, flexible implement, with both hands close together in front of you and performing an isometric, applying pressure in opposite directions. While maintaining pressure, sliding your hands away from each other for a short distance, stopping and performing another isometric. Continuing on this way, until you have reached a final location with both hands for a final isometric." As far as I know there is not a word that means what you are describing. The guy doing the belt exercises doesn't do an isometric hold at the end of the movement but he does say "Stop at any point... and hold it"
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Post by fatjake on Nov 5, 2017 10:53:07 GMT
what happens with language when we have a "thing" and there is currently no name for it?
If you answered someone makes a name up, you would be correct. Then if that name gets used enough, it ends up in the lexicon/dictionary. Like "bench press" or "drop sets" or "super slow" or "dynamic tension" etc etc. None of these existed since the dawn of civilization, they were all just made up at some point, just like the name of EVERY exercise.
The idea that if we cannot find a word in the dictionary for something we just carry on referring to it by a description forever is just silly, we give it a name, that's how language works. So when someone like Cedric comes up with an exercise and there is no name for it, then there is nothing wrong with him making one up, that is the convention in fact.
That new name initially will not make sense to anybody, as it is just a name and nobody is familiar with it, so people will need a description at first, just like they would have needed initially for the now ubiquitous "bench press". When new names are first introduced, you could, of course, be a total dick about it and break the name up into the single words then look them up in a dictionary and see that it does not make any sense (conflating names and descriptions, nouns and adjectives), but that's not what most people do. When most people hear a name of something for the first time and don't understand it, they ask what it means, then they know, just like everyone did with the bench press, or any other exercise name when it was first made up.
Plus the guy in the video does clearly describe doing multiple isometric holds?
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Post by Michael on Nov 5, 2017 11:59:27 GMT
Jack, the whole point of this thread is that Bruv and mikey have been nit-picking names given to those two isometric protocols to death. I mean continuously. It's as though if anyone here uses the same names, we're suddenly in league with JP. And since they are so adamant about this, I just want to know if either of them can come up with alternative names that would aptly describe those exercises. Personally, I don't care what they're named. And if the two known Internet guys who have put together numerous videos have elected to name what they're demonstrating the names that they have, then that's just fine with me. As long as everybody's on board (here and Fitness people across the Internet who are familiar with John Hughes and What's-his-Name) and everyone knows what I'm talking about when I talk about Iso-Motion and Dynamic Isometrics, then I'm just fine with those terms. What's his name, anyway? Every time I try to catch it, it sounds like, "Brown fudge, here." Well, the idea is to maintain the constant tension. It would be pretty hard to keep it exact while moving around. You don't get the motion stuff? It's essentially self-resistance with yielding isometrics thrown in. Bruce that guys name is Cedric. I see what you're saying. But I would say some exercises are better to describe than name. If you think about it the ones Cedric is doing with the belt resembles what you do with the Exer-Genie. It's either superslow or superslow with isometric stops. But anyhow I understand some guys need a general name but it may not be necessary.
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Post by hagerwf on Nov 5, 2017 14:29:33 GMT
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Post by Mr Average on Nov 5, 2017 14:47:53 GMT
Jack, the whole point of this thread is that Bruv and mikey have been nit-picking names given to those two isometric protocols to death. I mean continuously. It's as though if anyone here uses the same names, we're suddenly in league with JP. And since they are so adamant about this, I just want to know if either of them can come up with alternative names that would aptly describe those exercises. Well I have found a picture of Bruv in white
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 5, 2017 15:21:50 GMT
what happens with language when we have a "thing" and there is currently no name for it? If you answered someone makes a name up, you would be correct. Then if that name gets used enough, it ends up in the lexicon/dictionary. I have it! I'll make up a new word! Frawl! Frawl - To take hold of a strap with both hands close together in front of you and perform an isometric, applying pressure in opposite directions. While maintaining pressure, slide your hands away from each other for a short distance, stop and perform another isometric. Continue on this way, until you have reached a final location with both hands for a final isometric. Hence, Frawlic Isometrics!
Phelibidate! Phelibidate - To compress or pull apart a yielding isometric device to a particular position. While maintaining pressure to hold the device at that position, move your arms in the same various directions. Phelibidating Isometrics!
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Post by Mr Average on Nov 5, 2017 16:11:48 GMT
Good on you. I will still have to stick with my shoulder bench press, shoulder bench press and flip, shoulder bench press and moving isometric carry etc...
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Post by fatjake on Nov 5, 2017 16:14:04 GMT
what happens with language when we have a "thing" and there is currently no name for it? If you answered someone makes a name up, you would be correct. Then if that name gets used enough, it ends up in the lexicon/dictionary. I have it! I'll make up a new word! Frawl! Frawl - To take hold of a strap with both hands close together in front of you and perform an isometric, applying pressure in opposite directions. While maintaining pressure, slide your hands away from each other for a short distance, stop and perform another isometric. Continue on this way, until you have reached a final location with both hands for a final isometric. Hence, Frawlic Isometrics!
Phelibidate! Phelibidate - To compress or pull apart a yielding isometric device to a particular position. While maintaining pressure to hold the device at that position, move your arms in the same various directions. Phelibidating Isometrics! well the convention is that the person who "invented" the exercise gets to name it, but seeing as you are the head honcho, top cat, big boss, numero uno, big cheese - you can probably get away with it and yes I realise many of those names for boss may not make much sense if you take them apart, but they are just names after all, so stay calm everybody! Phelibidate to me sounds vaguely disgusting, so I would vote for Frawl
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Post by Bob50 on Nov 5, 2017 16:42:46 GMT
Transitional Isometrics???
But I like the name "Dynamic Isometrics" too
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 5, 2017 16:54:00 GMT
well the convention is that the person who "invented" the exercise gets to name it... Excellent point! I don't know if either of those guys "invented" their modalities, but both are known in the fitness world, and both, as far as I know, are the only ones to put out those videos demonstrating their particular modalities. I know that John Hughes' Iso-Motion has been around for years and by now is firmly cemented into the fitness lexicon. To one degree or another, the same can be said about Cedric's Dynamic Isometrics. Add to this the fact that Bruv knows of no word that will more clearly describe the process and should be used in place of Dynamics. mikey hasn't weighed in on this. Where the hell is mikey, anyway? Doesn't matter now. Therefor, I, Professor Fate, do hereby declare that I will henceforth use those names when referring to either one of those isometric techniques. BTW, "dynamic" is somewhat generic and can have several meanings; a person can have a dynamic personality, we can discuss the dynamics of a process, and so on. Dynamic can mean lively or vibrant or energetic, forceful, etc. In physics it can relate to energy and forces that produce motion. So, I believe that it is a perfectly proper word to use for Dynamic Isometrics.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 5, 2017 18:23:06 GMT
Birds with wet wings do not fly at night. - Jack E. Leonard Yes they do. They do??
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Post by gruntbrain on Nov 5, 2017 18:51:58 GMT
Let's agree to grant Bruce and his inner circle poetic license but not the rest of us .
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 5, 2017 19:13:37 GMT
There is no inner circle here.
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 5, 2017 19:41:40 GMT
teehee? That's what you'd name Dynamic Isometrics? Or is this what you would name it - "the belt exercises can be a really effective method of exercise though"? There is no "Dynamic-Isometric" or "Iso-Motion" to be named. They are, by definition of oxymoron and the terms themselves, ".... apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction ...." to anyone who understands English. What about "Belt Pull", understanding that after adjusting grip distance, there is a momentary isometric? Or, "Intermittent Isometric"? Or, "Intermittent Isometric Belt Pull"? Or, if you understand what Hager described, it could be a "Hager Belt Pull".
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 5, 2017 19:58:02 GMT
It could be called Horse Feathers for all I care. Cedric has elected to call it Dynamic Isometrics so that is the term I will use.
Speaking of, I would highly recommend doing Dynamic Isometrics with a pair of foam bicycle handles over a thick rope. You'll be able to grip hard while sliding your hands. I am big on hand comfort.
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