Total Body Collagen Powder

[hawkwind]

I bought some Insura Total Body Collagen Powder  . Thought I'd try it.

Each serving (13 g scoop) contains:

Hydrolyzed collagen (bovine).........................10 g
Hyaluronic acid ..........................................50 mg
L-tryptophan ............................................100 mg
L-glutamine ..............................................500 mg
Vitamin C (calcium ascorbate, dihydrate) ..60 mg

Biotin .................................................. ....500 mcg

Total Body Collagen
Powder, Unflavored

Supports formation of collagen and connective tissue for joint health
Helps nourish skin, hair, nails, bones, teeth, and gums
Helps reduce joint pain associated with osteoarthritis
Supports lean muscle growth and recovery after a workout

Total Body Collagen is a unique formula featuring hydrolyzed collagen, hyaluronic acid, L-tryptophan, L-glutamine, vitamin C, and biotin – essential nutrients that promote healthy skin, muscles, and connective tissue.

Hydrolyzed collagen promotes collagen synthesis and has been shown to help reduce joint pain associated with osteoarthritis. Collagen and hyaluronic acid work together to provide structure, strength, and resilience in the body’s tissues, and are vital for maintaining hydration in the joints. This formula also supports muscle growth and recovery, helping physically active people to build lean muscle mass.

Collagen can also help reduce visible signs of aging, such as wrinkles and fine lines, and together the nutrients in Total Body Collagen support wound healing, immune function, antioxidant activity, and nutrient metabolism, with benefits for skin, hair, and nails.

Total Body Collagen contains highly digestible, non-GMO hydrolyzed collagen from pasture-raised and grass-fed cattle and clinically studied Verisol®. It comes in tablets, two great-tasting flavours and unflavoured powder to promote healthy skin, connective tissues and joints from the inside out.
HOW IT WORKS

Collagen is vital for wound healing and helps maintain healthy blood vessels and bone mineral density through its effects on bone-building cells (osteoblasts) and chondrocytes.

Verisol is a form of hydrolyzed collagen, where the bonds between proteins and peptides have been loosened, supporting their absorption. Hydrolyzed collagen can help prevent the breakdown of elastin fibres and encourage homogenous distribution of these fibres in the dermis for healthier skin.

Vitamin C is essential for collagen production and is needed for hydroxylation, a process that prevents collagen from becoming deformed, weak, and damaged. Collagen synthesis also relies on biotin and essential amino acids including L-glutamine and L-tryptophan. These nutrients work together, alongside hyaluronic acid, to guard against the breakdown of elastin fibres and to support the healthy production of collagen fibres for strong, supple, and resilient tissues.

Vitamin C and collagen also act as antioxidants to help protect against oxidative damage to cells and to inhibit the breakdown of connective tissue and bone. Collagen and hyaluronic acid help maintain hydration in the skin and joints, reducing visible signs of aging and helping to cushion joints and reduce joint pain associated with osteoarthritis.

Biotin, and the essential amino acids glutamine and tryptophan, are required for numerous metabolic and biochemical processes including protein synthesis, immune function, energy metabolism, and recovery after exercise and physical trauma.
RESEARCH

Collagen is the most abundant protein in the human body, accounting for around 75% of the dry weight of the dermis and creating structure, strength, and resilience in skin, joint cartilage, gums, teeth, blood vessels, and bone (Pati, 2010). Hyaluronic acid (HA) is also a key component of connective tissue and skin where it acts as a cushion and lubricant, helps with the transport of nutrients, supports healing and a healthy inflammatory response, and may inhibit the breakdown of joint tissue (Goa & Benfield, 1994).

Collagen is well absorbed, accumulates in cartilage, stimulates the creation of joint and bone tissue scaffolds, and can reduce pain and improve mobility in people with osteoarthritis and athletes (Clark et al., 2008). Several studies have demonstrated collagen’s benefits for joints, including a six-month study where 51.6% of people using collagen for joint pain had significant improvements compared to 36.5% in the placebo group (Bruyère et al., 2012).

Collagen synthesis starts to decline around the age of 30, which can lead to dry, weak, and thin skin and connective tissue that is more vulnerable to damage. Over time, the loss of firmness and elasticity in connective tissues and skin can result in sagging, wrinkles, and increased susceptibility to injury and joint pain.

In one clinical trial, women aged 35–55 who received 2.5 g or 5 g of hydrolyzed collagen daily had improved skin elasticity and increased skin moisture within four weeks, compared to placebo, with the positive effect on skin elasticity persisting even four weeks after treatment ended (Proksch et al., 2014a).

In another study, women aged 45–65 who received 2.5 g of hydrolyzed collagen for eight weeks had a significant reduction in eye wrinkle volume after four weeks and a higher skin content of procollagen type I (65%) and elastin (18%), compared to the placebo group (Proksch et al., 2014b).

Biotin is a B vitamin that is essential for numerous enzyme systems in the body. It is needed for conversion of food into energy, and is involved in the synthesis of the fatty acids that help maintain healthy skin cell membranes and hydration, preventing dry skin conditions such as dermatitis (Mock, 1991). Biotin helps promote strong, healthy nails, skin, and hair, and has been shown to increase nail thickness and prevent splitting and brittleness (Scheinfeld et al., 2007).

When combined with resistance training and a healthy diet, L-tryptophan and L-glutamine support muscle protein synthesis to help build lean muscle mass, making these amino acids especially important for athletes and support after a workout, injury, or surgery (Wilmore, 2001)

[TexasRanger]

Jan 28, 2019 18:32:04 GMT hawkwind said:

I bought some Insura Total Body Collagen Powder  . Thought I'd try it.

Each serving (13 g scoop) contains:

Hydrolyzed collagen (bovine).........................10 g
Hyaluronic acid ..........................................50 mg
L-tryptophan ............................................100 mg
L-glutamine ..............................................500 mg
Vitamin C (calcium ascorbate, dihydrate) ..60 mg

Biotin .................................................. ....500 mcg

Total Body Collagen
Powder, Unflavored

Supports formation of collagen and connective tissue for joint health
Helps nourish skin, hair, nails, bones, teeth, and gums
Helps reduce joint pain associated with osteoarthritis
Supports lean muscle growth and recovery after a workout

Total Body Collagen is a unique formula featuring hydrolyzed collagen, hyaluronic acid, L-tryptophan, L-glutamine, vitamin C, and biotin – essential nutrients that promote healthy skin, muscles, and connective tissue.

Hydrolyzed collagen promotes collagen synthesis and has been shown to help reduce joint pain associated with osteoarthritis. Collagen and hyaluronic acid work together to provide structure, strength, and resilience in the body’s tissues, and are vital for maintaining hydration in the joints. This formula also supports muscle growth and recovery, helping physically active people to build lean muscle mass.

Collagen can also help reduce visible signs of aging, such as wrinkles and fine lines, and together the nutrients in Total Body Collagen support wound healing, immune function, antioxidant activity, and nutrient metabolism, with benefits for skin, hair, and nails.

Total Body Collagen contains highly digestible, non-GMO hydrolyzed collagen from pasture-raised and grass-fed cattle and clinically studied Verisol®. It comes in tablets, two great-tasting flavours and unflavoured powder to promote healthy skin, connective tissues and joints from the inside out.
HOW IT WORKS

Collagen is vital for wound healing and helps maintain healthy blood vessels and bone mineral density through its effects on bone-building cells (osteoblasts) and chondrocytes.

Verisol is a form of hydrolyzed collagen, where the bonds between proteins and peptides have been loosened, supporting their absorption. Hydrolyzed collagen can help prevent the breakdown of elastin fibres and encourage homogenous distribution of these fibres in the dermis for healthier skin.

Vitamin C is essential for collagen production and is needed for hydroxylation, a process that prevents collagen from becoming deformed, weak, and damaged. Collagen synthesis also relies on biotin and essential amino acids including L-glutamine and L-tryptophan. These nutrients work together, alongside hyaluronic acid, to guard against the breakdown of elastin fibres and to support the healthy production of collagen fibres for strong, supple, and resilient tissues.

Vitamin C and collagen also act as antioxidants to help protect against oxidative damage to cells and to inhibit the breakdown of connective tissue and bone. Collagen and hyaluronic acid help maintain hydration in the skin and joints, reducing visible signs of aging and helping to cushion joints and reduce joint pain associated with osteoarthritis.

Biotin, and the essential amino acids glutamine and tryptophan, are required for numerous metabolic and biochemical processes including protein synthesis, immune function, energy metabolism, and recovery after exercise and physical trauma.
RESEARCH

Collagen is the most abundant protein in the human body, accounting for around 75% of the dry weight of the dermis and creating structure, strength, and resilience in skin, joint cartilage, gums, teeth, blood vessels, and bone (Pati, 2010). Hyaluronic acid (HA) is also a key component of connective tissue and skin where it acts as a cushion and lubricant, helps with the transport of nutrients, supports healing and a healthy inflammatory response, and may inhibit the breakdown of joint tissue (Goa & Benfield, 1994).

Collagen is well absorbed, accumulates in cartilage, stimulates the creation of joint and bone tissue scaffolds, and can reduce pain and improve mobility in people with osteoarthritis and athletes (Clark et al., 2008). Several studies have demonstrated collagen’s benefits for joints, including a six-month study where 51.6% of people using collagen for joint pain had significant improvements compared to 36.5% in the placebo group (Bruyère et al., 2012).

Collagen synthesis starts to decline around the age of 30, which can lead to dry, weak, and thin skin and connective tissue that is more vulnerable to damage. Over time, the loss of firmness and elasticity in connective tissues and skin can result in sagging, wrinkles, and increased susceptibility to injury and joint pain.

In one clinical trial, women aged 35–55 who received 2.5 g or 5 g of hydrolyzed collagen daily had improved skin elasticity and increased skin moisture within four weeks, compared to placebo, with the positive effect on skin elasticity persisting even four weeks after treatment ended (Proksch et al., 2014a).

In another study, women aged 45–65 who received 2.5 g of hydrolyzed collagen for eight weeks had a significant reduction in eye wrinkle volume after four weeks and a higher skin content of procollagen type I (65%) and elastin (18%), compared to the placebo group (Proksch et al., 2014b).

Biotin is a B vitamin that is essential for numerous enzyme systems in the body. It is needed for conversion of food into energy, and is involved in the synthesis of the fatty acids that help maintain healthy skin cell membranes and hydration, preventing dry skin conditions such as dermatitis (Mock, 1991). Biotin helps promote strong, healthy nails, skin, and hair, and has been shown to increase nail thickness and prevent splitting and brittleness (Scheinfeld et al., 2007).

When combined with resistance training and a healthy diet, L-tryptophan and L-glutamine support muscle protein synthesis to help build lean muscle mass, making these amino acids especially important for athletes and support after a workout, injury, or surgery (Wilmore, 2001)

If I could share: collagen is just a "protein" and when digested by the body, breaks down into the various amino acids to include glycine and proline -- there are a couple of others, I think.  But, your body uses amino acids where needed/when needed and either excretes the extra, maintains some in an amino acid pool, or, if you eat too much, converts it to fat.

The collagen claims are no different from the olden days when people thought if you ate the heart of a bull, you'd also get some of the bull's strength.  Well, that didn't play out either, .  When you consume a food, whether protein, fat or carbs, you body has to break them down and the digestive process does this with carbs (various sugar molecules) and proteins (various amino acids)...fats take a little different path.

[justregularguy]

All I know is that Vitamin C is extremely important for cell regeneration. Glucosamin, MSM and chondroitin are other supplements famous to joint health. From experience I know that MSM works for me but there are no proper studies to prove that.

Tbh, the only supplements I would take are Vitamin D3 because the average human simply isn't exposed enough to the sun to gather enough of it naturally. Vitamin C, Calcium together with Vitamin K2 are other candidates that most people have a deficit. Personally I believe that vitamin D3 and Vitamin C are the most important.

[Sarah Wilkins]

www.bodybuilding.com/content/collagen-health-hoax-or-superfood.html

Collagen: Health Hoax Or Superfood?



Collagen supplements have captured the limelight for their many purported health benefits, but does the research live up to the hype? Let's dig a little deeper and find out!


You might have heard it thrown around as a buzzword, but what exactly is collagen? Collagen is the chief structural protein that holds our bodies together. It provides resilient elasticity to our skin, hair, ligaments, and tendons, as well as strength and structure to our bones and cartilage. Collagen is made up of many amino acids, primarily glycine, proline, alanine, hydroxyproline, and glutamic acid. Hydrolyzed collagen and collagen peptides are simply smaller pieces of collagen which are easier to digest.

Collagen, like other proteins, is broken down into amino acids by enzymes in the stomach and small intestine. These amino acids then enter the blood stream via the hepatic portal to the liver. Whatever amino acids the liver does not use get released into the bloodstream for the rest of the body. It doesn't matter if you're consuming straight collagen (gelatin) or hydrolyzed collagen (collagen peptides)—they both break down into amino acids, the basic building blocks of all proteins.




Why does this matter? Well, it's not like globs of collagen are floating around your bloodstream, patching holes in your gut lining or lifting your under-eye bags. Instead, what happens is that (with the help of vitamin C), your cells construct collagen from available amino acids. Still, it makes sense that by consuming digestible collagen, you're providing your body with the necessary amino acids to build and restore collagen-based tissues including skin, hair, ligaments, tendons, bones, cartilage.

So, is collagen a health hoax or essential superfood? Let's review the cold, hard facts surrounding these oh-so-popular collagen claims.
Claim: Collagen supplementation improves health of skin, hair, and nails

Consensus: Yes, and maybe. Double-blind, placebo-controlled studies indicate that collagen supplementation can significantly improve skin elasticity and moisture, and even reduce wrinkles![1-3] Hoping for more lustrous locks? A recent study in mice showed that collagen destruction is the chief culprit of age-related hair loss, but more studies are needed to warrant collagen supplementation for hair growth.[4] Evidence is currently lacking on collagen supplementation for growing stronger nails, so you're probably better off protecting your nails with a hardening clear coat.[5]
Collagen Health Hoax or Superfood
Claim: Collagen supplementation reduces the appearance of cellulite

Consensus: This is quite promising! A 2015 study showed that long-term supplementation (more than 6 months) with bioactive collagen peptides significantly improved the appearance of cellulite in women of healthy body weight (and, to a lesser extent, in overweight women).[6] It should be noted that collagen creams are not effective. The molecules are too large to be absorbed by the skin.
Claim: Collagen supplementation helps to maintain muscle mass and a healthy body weight

Consensus: Yes—as long as it's in conjunction with a healthy diet and exercise. High-protein diets reign supreme when it comes to maintaining and building lean mass. The more muscle you have, the more calories you burn at rest and during exercise, which makes weight maintenance and fat loss much easier. High-protein diets also help suppress appetite, which means you're less likely to cheat!

Being a protein, collagen contributes to total protein intake, and has been shown to be helpful for maintaining muscle mass, particularly in the elderly.[7,8] The only drawback is that collagen is not particularly high in leucine, the primary amino acid responsible for initiating muscle protein synthesis (or muscle growth). So, don't rely on collagen for all of your daily protein needs—choose a variety of quality protein sources.
Collagen Health Hoax or Superfood
Claim: Collagen supplementation protects cardiovascular and liver health

Consensus: Probably not. Available studies show benefits of specific amino acids in collagen, but not collagen itself. For example, collagen contains the amino acids arginine and glycine, both of which are suggested agents for liver detoxification.
The Verdict

So, are collagen supplements worth the investment? That depends on your goal. Collagen supplements appear to be effective for improving skin elasticity, reducing wrinkles, and minimizing the appearance of cellulite. Research also supports their use for reducing joint pain, stiffness, and degeneration. However, the evidence is not convincing for collagen supplements when it comes to treating hair loss, brittle nails, osteoporosis, periodontitis, gastrointestinal disorders, heart disease, and liver disease.

To see the benefits of collagen peptides, you need 2.5 grams daily. The rest of your protein should come from quality sources such as grass-fed beef, free-range poultry and eggs, lean pork raised without hormones, wild-caught salmon, and other low-mercury fish and seafood. Vegans should choose minimally-processed soy products, beans, peas, lentils, and whole grains.

[Rebecca Paredes]

blog.bulletproof.com/do-collagen-supplements-work/

How Do Collagen Supplements Work? What the Science Says

Collagen is a protein that forms connective tissue throughout your body, from your bones to your skin. It’s the the glue that holds you together — so, yeah, it’s pretty important.
Your body naturally produces collagen every day. But over time, that production slows down. Collagen supplements are an easy way to add more collagen to your diet.
Hydrolyzed collagen, also known as collagen peptides, is broken down into smaller parts so it can be easily absorbed and used by your body.
Collagen has been shown to reduce wrinkles, keep joints strong and flexible, support strong bones, and increase skin hydration.

Collagen is the glue that holds your entire body together. That’s not just an expression — this protein powerhouse literally forms the connective tissue for almost all of the structures in your body, from your bones to your skin.

It’s an important building block for whole-body health — which explains why people are stirring collagen supplements into their coffee to get an added protein boost. Collagen reduces wrinkles, keeps your joints strong and flexible, supports strong bones, and increases skin hydration.[1][2][3][4]

Your body naturally produces collagen every day. But over time, that production slows down. “There is an enzyme in our skin called collagenase, which breaks down collagen,” says Debra Jaliman, MD, author of “Skin Rules: Trade Secrets from a Top New York Dermatologist.” “After the age of 25, we break down more collagen than we make, so that’s why we start to see fine lines and wrinkles.”

You can add more collagen to your diet by regularly consuming foods like bone broth and organ meats. If that doesn’t sound like your cup of tea, collagen supplements are an ultra-convenient way to reap the benefits of this powerful protein.

But do collagen supplements really work? Here’s a quick-and-dirty guide to what the research says.

Your body is filled with cells that have specific jobs to keep your engines running. Fibroblasts have an important job: they produce collagen. In order to make the magic happen, fibroblasts need access to amino acids — namely, glycine, proline, and hydroxyproline. Collagen supplements supply your fibroblasts with amino acids so they can continue to do what they do best.

Hydrolyzed collagen, also known as “collagen peptides,” is the most effective way to deliver these amino acids. The hydrolyzing process breaks down collagen into a smooth, light powder. The final product has a low molecular weight, so your system has an easier time digesting, absorbing, and distributing the amino acids throughout your entire body.[5] That makes the amino acids more bioavailable — a fancy way of saying “actually able to be used by your body.”
Collagen supplements and digestion

One critique of collagen supplements is that your stomach acids break down the collagen peptides before they can start doing any good stuff. “Collagen is a large molecule, but [due to] the way modern collagen is made or how it’s hydrolyzed into collagen peptides, we are capable of digesting the compound,” says nutrition expert Kelly Schmidt, RD, LDN, and founder of the holistic practice Kelly Schmidt Wellness.

Collagen supplements are digested into amino acids and peptides in your gut. In order to be used by your body, those amino acids and peptides have to be absorbed by the small intestine and circulated into your bloodstream.

“Research has proven that after ingesting collagen in the hydrolyzed form, it increases in the blood,” Schmidt says. A 2018 study investigated the effects of ingesting hydrolyzed collagen over a four-week period.[6] The results found changes in the levels of hydroxyproline peptides in the bloodstream. Other studies have also found levels of collagen peptides in the bloodstream after ingestion.[7][8]

So, yes, collagen supplements provide important building blocks for your body to make more collagen — even after digestion.

Why take a collagen supplement? Unless you routinely eat buckets of bone broth and organ meats, you probably don’t have enough naturally occurring collagen in your diet — if at all. It’s easier to use a supplement that you can add to smoothies, soups, baked goods, and your favorite drinks. To get the most bang for your buck, look for a flavorless formula that blends in quickly and without clumps.

“Like any supplements, there are some brands and forms of collagen better than others. Look for labeling to indicate the collagen peptides do not have fillers and that it’s from a grass-fed product,” Schmidt says.

What does collagen do?

According to Anne Kelly, MD, medical director at the Holland Biomedical Clinic and Minnesota Hyperbaric Treatment Center, “I think of collagen as another ingredient in the recipe that delays aging, but it’s not just a beauty product for the skin. It is the brick-and-mortar foundation for multiple functions in the body.”

Here’s a quick look at the benefits of collagen supplements.
Skin

“Collagen is the most abundant protein in the skin. It makes up 75 to 80 percent of your skin,” Jaliman says. “The middle layer of the skin is called the dermis, and that is where we find the collagen and elastic tissue. This is the layer that gives the skin its fullness and plumpness.”

Studies have shown that regularly ingesting hydrolyzed collagen can support overall skin health and combat the effects of aging. It can reduce the appearance of wrinkles, increase skin hydration and smoothness, and support skin elasticity.[9][10] “Collagen consumption can increase skin elasticity and can help your body’s skin repair process, thus encouraging your body to form new collagen,” Jaliman says.
Joints

In addition to supporting overall bone and joint health, collagen can decrease joint pain, improve flexibility, and help form new bones. This is a big deal for collagen’s anti-aging benefits, but it’s also good news for people who work out: a 2008 study of 147 athletes at Penn State University found that collagen supplements helped reduce joint pain.

You deserve to feel your absolute best. Collagen supplements are effective and versatile, and they benefit your body from the inside-out. Learn more about the difference between collagen protein and gelatin. Check out this roundup of collagen peptide recipes for delicious ways to use your collagen protein powder.

[TexasRanger]

Of course it works! 

If my old buddy Dave Asprey is selling it, that s**t has to be real!  Just like his Bulletproof coffee crapola is good for your arteries. NOT! 

Anyone believe this is Rebecca Paredes of the Bulletproof site and an on-line marketing type with NO cred in the way of scientific training, etc.?  

Or Sarah Wilkins?  (https://www.bodybuilding.com/author/sarah-wilkins)

[TexasRanger]

And there's an MD who did a test that measured blood flow before and after some patients drank the infamous "Bulletproof" coffee -- loaded with butter and processed oils. The result? As you can imagine...the blood flow was all gunked up for hours.

In fact, the MD actually presented his findings to Dave Asprey at a discussion on Mind Body Green and as I recall, Dave didn't have a whole lot to say.

[hawkwind]

What got me to give collagen a test was my knee injury and also my forehead tends to be very dry, maybe from wearing a toque but never use to have that in previous winters. Also I'm doing some intermittent fasting, didn't eat before 9am yoga so doing the 16/8 thing. Seeing if it gets rid of any belly fat and to see what the skin is like.

Before I signed up for yoga again I did 3 months of weights and gain weight, result was some belly fat, more than I liked. I notice my belly fat going and my body weight stable, my abs are visible but trimming away a bit more, will the collagen give me tighter skin ? stay tuned I'll let you's know.

Jan 27, 2019 12:50:36 GMT hawkwind said:

My right knee never ever bothered me but started to get sore left side of the knee cap, then on the way home after class crossing a road and 1/2 way across went to speed up coz a car coming, my right foot slipped back a little but enough to feel a discomfort. It started to get much more sore and no lotus or easy pose today. Did 22 days but not sure how my knee will be tomorrow and may have to take a break and only 8 days to go. They did a lot of pigeon pose recently and I always do my lotus pose variations.

The knee has been pretty sore for 2 days so taking a break from Yoga and back to the Gym. 4 day split but go in easy and not where I left off.

Actually both knees got sore after 22 straight days of yoga, was doing full lotus variation poses before the actual class. In the AB Gym today did some farmers walk a little and very light standing leg curls and seated extensions, all was fine it's just the sideways movement bothersome. For a couple of days was painful to walk with that leg. Kneeling Samurai style is too stiff at the mo, it'll mend.

[Dave Reslo]

Jan 28, 2019 19:06:56 GMT TexasRanger said:

The collagen claims are no different from the olden days when people thought if you ate the heart of a bull, you'd also get some of the bull's strength.

to be fair this is probably the easiest way for your body to absorb and utilise strength molecules

[jrmeatplow]

I'll tell you what gylcine and hydrolyzed beef collagen did for me and this is fact. I had an outbreak of psoriasis on my knee and I couldn't get it to go away. I read somewhere that it was simply inflammation and I remember reading about glycine helping with this. So, I ordered both and started taking it and within 2 weeks it was gone and has not came back. Now, I just put some Knox gelatin in my morning coffee and hopefully it will be enough to keep the flare us away.

[donovan5]

I've taken it on and off for a while, its the only supplement that gave me a significant improvement with joint pain in my hands

[TexasRanger]

Jan 30, 2019 0:56:30 GMT Dave Reslo said:

Jan 28, 2019 19:06:56 GMT TexasRanger said:

The collagen claims are no different from the olden days when people thought if you ate the heart of a bull, you'd also get some of the bull's strength.

to be fair this is probably the easiest way for your body to absorb and utilise strength molecules

Dave, can I ask what are "strength molecules"?  Our bodies can only absorb amino acids, sugars and fat molecules* (*again, via a different process vs. proteins and carbs).  We can eat beef or a potato or almonds or drink collagen, juice or almond milk -- each has to be broken down to amino acids, sugars and fat molecules.

The only difference is 'powdered' or processed foods -- eg whey protein, collagen, etc., are absorbed more quickly which causes a bigger insulin surge vs. real food.  No different than sugars...fructose in its natural state (plant foods) is absorbed slowly due to the various factors involved, but, put process fructose and stick it in some white flour and the subsequent absorption/insulin surge is completely different, as we all know.

Unfortunately, the cut & paste marketing hype such as those posted above is simply that -- a bunch of claims with little/no validation, but, it sure sounds good and people buy into the spin and the company pumping out this stuff are the only real winner$$$. 

[mr potatohead]

Jan 30, 2019 2:03:07 GMT jrmeatplow said:

I'll tell you what gylcine and hydrolyzed beef collagen did for me and this is fact. I had an outbreak of psoriasis on my knee and I couldn't get it to go away. I read somewhere that it was simply inflammation and I remember reading about glycine helping with this. So, I ordered both and started taking it and within 2 weeks it was gone and has not came back. Now, I just put some Knox gelatin in my morning coffee and hopefully it will be enough to keep the flare us away.

People have known about the benefits of eating collagen for a very long time for healthy skin, hair, nails, joints, etc. Thanks for sharing.

[TexasRanger]

Jan 30, 2019 15:48:34 GMT mr potatohead said:

Jan 30, 2019 2:03:07 GMT jrmeatplow said:

I'll tell you what gylcine and hydrolyzed beef collagen did for me and this is fact. I had an outbreak of psoriasis on my knee and I couldn't get it to go away. I read somewhere that it was simply inflammation and I remember reading about glycine helping with this. So, I ordered both and started taking it and within 2 weeks it was gone and has not came back. Now, I just put some Knox gelatin in my morning coffee and hopefully it will be enough to keep the flare us away.

People have known about the benefits of eating collagen for a very long time for healthy skin, hair, nails, joints, etc. Thanks for sharing.

It isn't the collagen but possible nutrients in the product that are available in other foods sources.  All foods are critical for skin, hair, etc.  eg EFAs are just as critical as amino acids for each of the above.

We've got a friend who has psoriatic arthritis...frustrated with the standard options (steroids, etc.), I'd casually mentioned checking into either elimination or vegan diets as options.   The elimination diet was a big help -- removing foods that drive inflammatory factors that impact your auto-immune system (and problems like psoriasis, lupus, prolapsing polychondritis, etc.) allowed her to reduce her meds to nearly zero.  Dropping to "animal" proteins just three - four times a week, around 3 - 4 oz each, was the final key and while there have been minor outbreaks, nothing that didn't go away in a day or two.

Auto-immune diseases such as psoriasis are diet-related for the majority of people and can be halted/eliminated with just a little study.

[Dave Reslo]

Jan 30, 2019 15:39:37 GMT TexasRanger said:

Jan 30, 2019 0:56:30 GMT Dave Reslo said:

to be fair this is probably the easiest way for your body to absorb and utilise strength molecules

Dave, can I ask what are "strength molecules"?  Our bodies can only absorb amino acids, sugars and fat molecules* (*again, via a different process vs. proteins and carbs).  We can eat beef or a potato or almonds or drink collagen, juice or almond milk -- each has to be broken down to amino acids, sugars and fat molecules.

The only difference is 'powdered' or processed foods -- eg whey protein, collagen, etc., are absorbed more quickly which causes a bigger insulin surge vs. real food.  No different than sugars...fructose in its natural state (plant foods) is absorbed slowly due to the various factors involved, but, put process fructose and stick it in some white flour and the subsequent absorption/insulin surge is completely different, as we all know.

Unfortunately, the cut & paste marketing hype such as those posted above is simply that -- a bunch of claims with little/no validation, but, it sure sounds good and people buy into the spin and the company pumping out this stuff are the only real winner$$$. 

I was being flippant, but actually the amino acid profile of collagen is substantially different from normal meats or protein powder.