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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Oct 24, 2017 19:05:10 GMT
You mean people with 12 inches that dont use it as a rule! You really put your foot in it this time, m8
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Post by Mr Average on Oct 24, 2017 19:20:29 GMT
You mean people with 12 inches that dont use it as a rule! You really put your foot in it this time, m8 Thats sooo cheeeesy M8
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Post by hhenthusiast on Oct 25, 2017 1:15:16 GMT
Well things certainly digressed quickly here.
Grunt, I believe Len, who I obviously can not speak for, would have applauded the ingenuity of using straps and poles, but he would have preferred you to have his Pan-X.
I don't know if anyone had the privilege of seeing the prototype of the Pan-X, but the bar was adjustable to go up or down as well as the arms. The arm were adjustable to go up and down also, but also were able to be swung inward or outward and locked or given some resistance to be moved as well. Which are further reason, beside the arms and bar being too high I don't believe the Towers out there would work as well without modifications! Once again just my 2 cent input. ( With that and $2.05 you can get a Large coffee at the 7-11!!)
Len suggested the bar be set somewhere between chin to forehead height as FatJake's post by John McKean points out. He felt if you hung from the bar with arm extended overhead you thighs should be or almost be parallel with the floor. Interestingly enough if you wanted to go into a deeper squat he suggested just grabbing the upright poles of the bar, down below the cross bar and squat, exactly as you are probably doing with your poles.
As far as ROM, with all Len's techniques, ROM, tempo, is how you controlled the work load or shifted the work load. Len would say you could do greater ROM at a lowered tempo and still keep your heart rate at target. He had what he called filler moves for when you increased ROM, or tempo to keep you rate up while you recovered by including "new" moves or doing a similar move at great range and or tempo.
All this to say Happy Panaerobic/Longstrength adventures to you!!
john
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 25, 2017 2:16:52 GMT
Grunt, I believe Len, ......... would have preferred you to have his Pan-X.( 1) I don't know if anyone had the privilege of seeing the prototype of the Pan-X, but the bar was adjustable to go up or down as well as the arms. The arm were adjustable to go up and down also, but also were able to be swung inward or outward and locked or given some resistance to be moved as well. Which are further reason, beside the arms and bar being too high I don't believe the Towers out there would work as well without modifications! Once again just my 2 cent input. ( With that and $2.05 you can get a Large coffee at the 7-11!!)( 2) Len suggested the bar be set somewhere between chin to forehead height as FatJake's post by John McKean points out. He felt if you hung from the bar with arm extended overhead you thighs should be or almost be parallel with the floor. Interestingly enough if you wanted to go into a deeper squat he suggested just grabbing the upright poles of the bar, down below the cross bar and squat, exactly as you are probably doing with your poles.( 3) As far as ROM, with all Len's techniques, ROM, tempo, is how you controlled the work load or shifted the work load. Len would say you could do greater ROM at a lowered tempo and still keep your heart rate at target. He had what he called filler moves for when you increased ROM, or tempo to keep you rate up while you recovered by including "new" moves or doing a similar move at great range and or tempo. All this to say Happy Panaerobic/Longstrength adventures to you!! john 1. Did Dr Schwartz sell the Pan-X? Don't know anything about it, but it sounds interesting. 2. Do you have an illustration or vid of this equipment in use? 3. I've come to believe that many high repetition BWEs are unfriendly to my joints - especially chinups/pullups, pushups, dips and squats. Except for things I enjoy @ varying number of reps like alternating arm, DB, floor to OH, C&P or sledge strikes or log chain drags/whips, I do one (could include varied movements/pauses) of whatever BWE and make it tough.
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Post by gruntbrain on Oct 25, 2017 13:33:50 GMT
My altering rep speed, ROM, and planes of motion during nonstop exercise were an approach I got from Dr Len's principles . BTW, placing some sort of sturdy platform under a pullup bar is a way to perform Pan-X type exercises
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Post by hhenthusiast on Oct 27, 2017 1:31:22 GMT
Hi Mikey, 1. Did Dr Schwartz sell the Pan-X? Don't know anything about it, but it sounds interesting. No, Pan-X never made it to production, I was inferring that Len would have rather that someone would have invested in and manufactured and that he could have sold Pan-X. He did try to market to several celebrities and companies but I guess they just didn't see the vision. ( Which is kind of dumbfounding considering the number of baby-boomers and there desire for Youthfulness!) That comment was based on Grunt wondering if Len would approve of his substitutes for Pan-X'ing! 2. Do you have an illustration or vid of this equipment in use? ** Parker tried earlier in the thread to attach the Patent, but it didn't link for some reason, but I will try again: www.google.com/patents/US4932653 Presently there are no videos of Pan-X in use. 3. I've come to believe that many high repetition BWEs are unfriendly to my joints - especially chinups/pullups, pushups, dips and squats. Except for things I enjoy @ varying number of reps like alternating arm, DB, floor to OH, C&P or sledge strikes or log chain drags/whips, I do one (could include varied movements/pauses) of whatever BWE and make it tough. **The advantage of Pan-X and/or Pan-X substituted exercise is you can do "partial" body weight exercises. One pearl of Pan-X is like HH it also relied on what Len referred to as verticallity" That is when you used the bar you were pulling down on the bar ( i.e., using biceps/Lats, or triceps) and when you used the arms pushing down, using triceps, so you are in effect distributing you weight through arms/trunk, legs and not necessarily using all your body weight focally so to speak, but then that's what made it Panaerobic-Longstrength as distributing everything throughout the body's musculature, burning a lot of calories but at much less perceived level of exertion. john
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 27, 2017 2:47:33 GMT
1. Did Dr Schwartz sell the Pan-X? Don't know anything about it, but it sounds interesting. 2. Do you have an illustration or vid of this equipment in use? 3. I've come to believe that many high repetition BWEs are unfriendly to my joints - especially chinups/pullups, pushups, dips and squats. Except for things I enjoy @ varying number of reps like alternating arm, DB, floor to OH, C&P or sledge strikes or log chain drags/whips, I do one (could include varied movements/pauses) of whatever BWE and make it tough. Mikey, Dr. Schwartz told me he couldn't find anyone that wanted to take it to market -- he did several pitches, apparently, but it wasn't seen as profitable vs. exercise videos made for a low cost/high profit. He shared there was a patent available on the web (posted earlier) and he'd been working on a training manual and some videos for Pan-X, but, was also working on studies with the U of Pittsburgh on HHs variations, keeping Tom Auble -- one of his HHs training partners -- company who was horribly ill and passed away from cancer recently, etc. Keep in mind, Pan-X was built by Dr. Schwartz for Dr. Schwartz. When I told him I'm around 6'3", he said you're a little tall for my machine young man. Schwartz was around 5'8" if I recall and his ROM was shorter than someone like me. As John noted, Pan-X was essentially a series of assisted moves--chins would be assisted by your legs and vice versa with squats. eg: www.cbass.com/SchwartzInterview.htmHe applied this approach to Pan-X as much as his HHs...when we talked he'd always say swimming, cross-country skiing, the Schwinn bike with the arms over running, bicycling or walking if you can't do HHs, for example. Also, during another coversation, Schwartz noted during a study they did with the U of Pitt when they tested the work "capacity" of Schwartz vs. a power athlete--someone in a little better shape than a powerlifter. The goal was to move a pile of objects -- it may have been rocks of varying size (can't recall) -- and from point a to b. Very basic, very measurable. Schwartz won and ended with a faster recovery (heart rate came down more quickly, blood pressure came down faster) vs. the strength athlete. He was quick to point out on sheer strength, he could never come close to the strength athlete...and if he were to compete against an endurance athlete, he could never hang. But, he always felt he method combined the best of both and suited his goals. But, I shared with him HHs delivered some amazing fitness benefits without beating my legs into the ground, but, they definitely were not the choice when I started focusing more on weights. Walking and easy cycling had less of an impact with regards to my recovery. HHs are a great tool to warm up with, get the heart rate up. Is there wear & tear? There have been criticisms of HHs and Schwartz' methods regarding injuries. Elbows are the #1 complaint going back to the 80s...shoulders are a close second. I talked to Schwartz a number of times about this and we never got the interviews published, but, he said much of it was too much, too fast, too soon in his opinion. People jumping into 15lb DBs for walk & pumps with little prior experience. There are others who've shared other experiences -- for example, Fred (?) once mentioned he about ruined his elbows w/ HHs and he felt he was cautious with his use of them. So, the concern of the high reps may be warranted whether it is the use of Pan-X or HHs based on the individual.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Oct 27, 2017 5:13:13 GMT
hhenthusiast, I've fixed your link for you now, m8
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Post by gruntbrain on Oct 27, 2017 13:31:53 GMT
Doorway chinup bars that are secured with brackets can be "Pan-X-like" ; use multiple pairs of brackets to alter the bar's height.
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Post by prackjohn on Jul 22, 2020 16:06:29 GMT
Last evening, I was watching the movie "Yesterday" -the one where a young musician woke up from a coma/worldwide blackout to discover he was the only one alive who remembered the Beatles songs. It put me to thinking that I'm in a similar position ; I may be the sole heir to Dr. Len Schwartz' genius level,339 page unpublished BOOK on his ISOTONOMETRIC system, titled " ISO: Total Fitness Without Extra Equipment"(1996). Yes, there was a poorly distributed Time-Life video that offered a very limited,watered down intro to the system (even Dr.Schwartz was not thrilled with this lame vid), but Dr.Len's inimitable writing style,specific details of application, and depth of explanation were sadly missing. I was extremely fortunate in that I lived close to my dear, departed friend,and was in on the original development of his moving isos, as well as shared many experiences & experiments, over numerous spirited telephone conversations. Indeed, I may have been the original test guinea pig, having employed these moves from the beginning, added to them, and found considerable success with use in my long career in competitive weightlifting ,band work, and standard isos/power rack maneuvers. Thanks to this site and one hard training ,dedicated member who has become a good friend (and the only guy onboard with whom I've shown the Schwartz book ), it may be a good time to begin sharing Dr. Schwartz' absolute brilliance with those here,who exude such dedication to bands & isos, if there is sufficient interest! (oh, the All-Round mention in the title, is my "moving iso" exercise tactics drawn from the past 30 years of USAWA competition).
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Post by Dave Reslo on Jul 22, 2020 21:37:24 GMT
What a post! If it's a physical manuscript you have, please make a digital copy. A modern cameraphone can usually take legible photos of pages and isn't nearly as slow and tedious a process as using a scanner was.
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Post by prackjohn on Jul 22, 2020 23:25:16 GMT
Dave, I have a physical copy, and also have this logged in on my computer files,from when Dr. Schwartz originally transferred it to me.Problem may be that it is copyrighted material, and I may have to search out Dr.Len's daughter for permission to get this extremely valuable stuff out to the physical culture public. Some years back a profit motivated writer even tried to make a course out of his very few conversations with Dr.Schwartz,but this guy had never had access to the book, and had no real understanding of the system at all.Yet from my constant use of Schwartz' moving-isos over the past 25 years (even before his actual writings, which he never published because he felt " the narrative was not quite as perfect as he wanted!!" believe me, this monumental work is golden!! And just the ticket for us guys who get deeply into pure isos and band work ,as warmup and an aerobic compliment !
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Post by hhenthusiast on Jul 23, 2020 0:33:41 GMT
Okay, I'll bite.....If you really have a copy I am interested....but seems to smack of a Parker tease!
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Post by prackjohn on Jul 23, 2020 1:24:41 GMT
HHenthusiast, I don't know who Parker is, but am only interested in getting Dr. Schwartz credit for this brilliant piece of (long!) work and,of course,providing a really important tool to modern physical culture trainees!
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Post by pierinifitness on Jul 23, 2020 2:22:05 GMT
I'm a minor league level Heavy Hands fitness dude but it doesn't get enough rotation in my training mix. I power read Dr. Schwartz book and found his writing style hard for me to follow. Don't know why, but I did. I still hold on to a pair of 5-lbs. dumbbells for those special occasions when I take my patented 7-movement medley for a workout drive.
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