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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 28, 2017 22:10:48 GMT
I do something like that. I hold my dong stick behind me, pulling on it while I walk and twist - so, I'm moving around a bit and it might not be a strict iso for my biceps. Hmmm, I wonder if it would be considered Static-Dynamic Co-contraction though?
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 28, 2017 22:13:55 GMT
It's too easy to kid yourself you are pushing or pulling as hard as you can against an immovable object but when you are using something that is trying to resist you, you know you are working hard. One interesting, but horribly (ridiculously) expensive option, are the static/isometric machines created by a few companies here in the US (dunno if they've made or sold in Europe, Australia, etc.): www.1repgym.comwww.staticcontractions.com/equip.phpThe interesting thing with these machines is you're allegedly able to measure the amount of the force your exerting hence you can determine if you're working hard.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Oct 28, 2017 22:14:14 GMT
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 28, 2017 23:13:11 GMT
Not sure how old Kamp is...30s?...but, the workouts posted this last week are seem to be a cominbation of bad Weider routines/Gironda workouts -- the 8 x 8/a bad volume routine from the old M&F magazines.
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So, nine sets and 240 reps? You're certainly not going to generate a lot of hypertrophy with that type of volume. As the saying goes, you can train long or you can train hard but you can't do both. And 150 reps via V-bar dips is going to create a lot of wear & tear on the shoulders.
Behind the neck presses? Ouch! On top of the high volume V-bar dips?
"Back in the day", a seven mile run never helped with my strength gains -- actually, very contradictory. Clarence Bass' book Lean for Life, if I recall, cited research from Lancet that showed endurance mileage such as this cuts into your recovery and gains; the Nautilus people even back in the 70s via their work with local universities also recommended against distance running.
If it is working for Kamp, all the more power to him, but, I'd worry about the guy's chances of burnout and injuries.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 28, 2017 23:20:48 GMT
So that's where the little guy's been hiding out all these years (He would be in his mid-twenties now)! I'll have to get over to Bruv World and extend him an invite.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Oct 29, 2017 0:22:06 GMT
Tex, Kamp has always done a lot of reps and endurance stuff for as long as I can remember. He is a young guy though and maybe that's how he gets away with it? I hate doing lots of reps of anything. Always have done.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Oct 29, 2017 0:32:25 GMT
I do something like that. I hold my dong stick behind me, pulling on it while I walk and twist - so, I'm moving around a bit and it might not be a strict iso for my biceps. Hmmm, I wonder if it would be considered Static-Dynamic Co-contraction though?No. Nothing is because as you well know, that's just a stupid made up phrase that's also an oxymoron, m8.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Oct 29, 2017 0:49:31 GMT
a biceps exercise I came up with (I'm not saying that nobody has ever done this before me). I would stand with my arms straight and hanging down but slightly behind me while holding a metal pipe in both hands against the back of my legs. I would then try to curl the pipe up as in a biceps curl but this would be impossible because my legs would be in the way. Trying to curl for up to 10 seconds as hard as I could. I have also done this with the Sierra Hook handles with bands or just the bands alone. The bands are across the back of your legs. Load the handles up with a lot of bands so that when you try to curl, the bands don't stretch more than a very few centimetres and then just keep trying to curl from that position. Inspired by my own post I decided to give the isometric curl another go just after writing that post. I had not done these for quite a while. I don't do any direct biceps work (I did add curls to some workouts a few weeks ago but gave them up again). I have some 48" Jumpstretch style exercise bands. I got one of these and quadrupled it over on the Sierra Hook handles and did the isometric curl. Pretty good but then I decided to try it hammer curl style and just gripped the webbing of the handles. This felt much more effective. I did 3 of these as hard as I could for less than 10 seconds. I don't do it for an exact amount of time. Just as hard as I can until I feel the strength starting to drain away and then I stop. A few seconds rest inbetween. My biceps are now as hard as rocks, m8s!
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Post by Mr Average on Oct 29, 2017 0:56:04 GMT
Not sure how old Kamp is...30s?...but, the workouts posted this last week are seem to be a cominbation of bad Weider routines/Gironda workouts -- the 8 x 8/a bad volume routine from the old M&F magazines. eg: So, nine sets and 240 reps? You're certainly not going to generate a lot of hypertrophy with that type of volume. As the saying goes, you can train long or you can train hard but you can't do both. And 150 reps via V-bar dips is going to create a lot of wear & tear on the shoulders. Behind the neck presses? Ouch! On top of the high volume V-bar dips? "Back in the day", a seven mile run never helped with my strength gains -- actually, very contradictory. Clarence Bass' book Lean for Life, if I recall, cited research from Lancet that showed endurance mileage such as this cuts into your recovery and gains; the Nautilus people even back in the 70s via their work with local universities also recommended against distance running. If it is working for Kamp, all the more power to him, but, I'd worry about the guy's chances of burnout and injuries. High reps do not always lead to injury and you can get stronger even using high reps. What do you think I do at work and have done in previous jobs, I am getting towards 50 and the only one injury had was years ago. I do not do conventional gym exercise, but at the same time how many people squat a weighted barbell at shoulder height in one hand and then walk with it and the stand it up right or walk it to a step and the go up 2 steps with it before placing down and the go back and repeat until every thing is finished. Recently I was crimping frames, I counted the reps for the 3 days I was doing them for it was 400 reps per day. It is nothing special just part of a normal working day.
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 29, 2017 0:56:25 GMT
a biceps exercise I came up with (I'm not saying that nobody has ever done this before me). I would stand with my arms straight and hanging down but slightly behind me while holding a metal pipe in both hands against the back of my legs. I would then try to curl the pipe up as in a biceps curl but this would be impossible because my legs would be in the way. Trying to curl for up to 10 seconds as hard as I could. I have also done this with the Sierra Hook handles with bands or just the bands alone. The bands are across the back of your legs. Load the handles up with a lot of bands so that when you try to curl, the bands don't stretch more than a very few centimetres and then just keep trying to curl from that position. Inspired by my own post I decided to give the isometric curl another go just after writing that post. I had not done these for quite a while. I don't do any direct biceps work (I did add curls to some workouts a few weeks ago but gave them up again). I have some 48" Jumpstretch style exercise bands. I got one of these and quadrupled it over on the Sierra Hook handles and did the isometric curl. Pretty good but then I decided to try it hammer curl style and just gripped the webbing of the handles. This felt much more effective. I did 3 of these as hard as I could for less than 10 seconds. I don't do it for an exact amount of time. Just as hard as I can until I feel the strength starting to drain away and then I stop. A few seconds rest inbetween. My biceps are now as hard as rocks, m8s! They'd be harder if you were using a $60 seat belt for 5 - 6 - 7 second holds...or is it 6 - 7 - 8 holds? ...never mind.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Oct 29, 2017 1:41:43 GMT
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 29, 2017 8:07:33 GMT
High reps do not always lead to injury and you can get stronger even using high reps. What do you think I do at work and have done in previous jobs, I am getting towards 50 and the only one injury had was years ago. I do not do conventional gym exercise, but at the same time how many people squat a weighted barbell at shoulder height in one hand and then walk with it and the stand it up right or walk it to a step and the go up 2 steps with it before placing down and the go back and repeat until every thing is finished. Recently I was crimping frames, I counted the reps for the 3 days I was doing them for it was 400 reps per day. It is nothing special just part of a normal working day. Won't know until you tell it. I used to do physically demanding, high rep movement work too. Doesn't mean it was good for me. Wait about 10 to 15 years when you will resemble an old bag lady.
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 29, 2017 8:38:59 GMT
I do something like that. I hold my dong stick behind me, pulling on it while I walk and twist - so, I'm moving around a bit and it might not be a strict iso for my biceps. Hmmm, I wonder if it would be considered Static-Dynamic Co-contraction though?No. Nothing is because as you well know, that's just a stupid made up phrase that's also an oxymoron, m8. Er ..... uh ...... well, ..... yeah. That was the joke, m8.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Oct 29, 2017 8:47:39 GMT
I know that, m8!
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Oct 29, 2017 8:50:51 GMT
".... What do you think I do at work and have done in previous jobs ....." Won't know until you tell it. Fluffer in the gay porn industry,
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