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Post by gruntbrain on Oct 13, 2017 13:32:12 GMT
Too bad that the current competitive bodybuilders are fined when they don't take drugs
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 13:54:00 GMT
And what great physiques they had. I mean, really...........   1951 was not the natural era. They were taking testosterone back then. It was advertised to bodybuilders in the 1940s and was sold legally and openly. Look at Strength and Health magazine cover shots in the 1930s and then the 1950s. The effects of testosterone use becomes very obvious. |
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 13, 2017 15:31:11 GMT
Well, that may be true, but I still think that John Farbotnick was the best built guy ever.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 15:45:01 GMT
Well, that may be true, but I still think that John Farbotnick was the best built guy ever. Not Charles Atlas!? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 15:45:36 GMT
Well, that may be true, but I still think that John Farbotnick was the best built guy ever. Not Charles Atlas!? |
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 13, 2017 15:52:26 GMT
alright, alright, already. You don't have to keep repeating yourself. I think John Farbotnick looks like what Charles Atlas might have looked like if he had gone in for weight lifting. The same type of build. And I always thought that Charles Atlas' legs were a bit underdeveloped. We're now treading on dangerous territory.  |
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 13, 2017 19:18:07 GMT
And what great physiques they had. I mean, really........... The problem is they're essentially both bogus, the product of steroids which have been in use by the strength and bb'ing communities since the days of Grimek... |
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Oct 13, 2017 19:19:12 GMT
We already established that Charles Atlas did in fact lift weights.  He was also an adviser or something in the American Weightlifting Association (AWLA) |
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Post by fatjake on Oct 13, 2017 19:23:19 GMT
Well, that may be true, but I still think that John Farbotnick was the best built guy ever. definitely, what a total hunk  |
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Oct 13, 2017 19:30:23 GMT
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 13, 2017 19:38:48 GMT
Oh yes -- loads of strength gains! I can continue to make those. I think that's why a lot of people kid themselves into thinking they must be gaining lots of lean size. They overeat, gain loads of strength, and think they must have gained a load of muscle. But whenever I diet down I'm always just the same. Whiffet - Agree 100%. I read a paper by Dr. Barry Sears (the Zone book series) who showed eating extra protein did nothing for muscle growth -- it does make you more anabolic (more insulin) which means more fat storage if you're consuming too much. (Dr. Ron Rosedale, MD, a well known endocrinologist notes the same thing in his papers and notes too much protein will lead to fat storage, pre-diabetes and heart disease just like bad carbs.) So clearly, you cannot "eat to put on muscle". Simply doesn't happen, especially once you've been training for a several years. At that point, incremental gains in "size" (LBM) of a few pounds here or there are possible but nowhere close to when you're first getting started. You can get stronger -- better leverage, gross motor skills -- but that doesn't guarantee size. Zane or Vince once said the most impressive arms are the result of several things: a well developed lateral deltoid, well developed triceps (65% of your upper arm mass is in the triceps), a low bodyfat level so the vascularity and muscularity are highlighted and a small waist. Look at Zane's photos and he embodies this. I remember the first time I saw Zane and he was in street clothes -- none of this skin tight crap, just a well-fitted pullover and jeans. Holy shit Batman, that was what I wanted to look like. And when you see him in pics, much like similar guys -- Steve Davis comes to mind -- they look fantastic, athletic without the bloated look we see on their much bigger peers. My wife's friend thinks Jason Statham is "hot as hell" and looks better than any bodybuilder without his shirt and has "big arms". Yep, his look fits what Zane or Vince were referring to. (Also appreciate the fact Statham sports such a prolific hair style.) |
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 13, 2017 20:39:52 GMT
(Also appreciate the fact Statham sports such a prolific hair style.)  |
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 13, 2017 20:53:19 GMT
That would absolutely ruin it for my wife's friend...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 15:30:32 GMT
Do You guys think a guy past his forties can actually build more muscle? Just curious. Drink a lot of milk and do the Truly Huge workout. Back in 2003 I drank 2 gallons of whole milk a week and put on 24 lbs in 3 months, you'll get bigger and much stronger if you follow the Truly Huge method. Milk with meals and between meals. |
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 14, 2017 16:16:19 GMT
Henry -
Can I ask:
1. Did you measure your bodyfat before and after?
2. How much heavy training (eg squats) prior to using this program were you doing?
This program is about 1:1 with some of the programs the Raders (Ironman magazine), for example, used to advocate in the 60s, 70s, before all of the stupidity took over with all of the sets and reps. I started out using something like this and drank all of the milk and put on weight, but, my abs softened up considerably -- prior to that I had a solid six-pack -- and my face definitely wasn't as "lean". And god knows what all of that sugar + fat was doing to my arteries.
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