Olive Oil (All Fats) - Spikes Blood Sugar

[TexasRanger]

From the Mastering Diabetes author:

[TexasRanger]

Fat cells filled with saturated fat activate an inflammatory response to a far greater extent. This increased inflammation, along with eating more saturated fat, has been demonstrated to raise insulin resistance through free radical and ceramide production.

Lipotoxicity: How Saturated Fat Raises Blood Sugar

[captkronos]

I have tested my blood sugar with my mom's monitor after a bullet proof coffee and it wasn't impacted. Granted I have only done that once but would be happy to do it again. Protein will cause a blip I've read, but I have never seen anything before saying pure fat needs or causes an insulin response. My coffee rarely has butter, it's usually coconut oil and olive oil. Maybe once a person is fully diabetic damn near anything would do it, but plenty of studies have confirmed following a keto diet can take people off their diabetes meds, so not even sure about that.

[TexasRanger]

Jan 30, 2024 15:22:35 GMT captkronos said:

I have tested my blood sugar with my mom's monitor after a bullet proof coffee and it wasn't impacted. Granted I have only done that once but would be happy to do it again. Protein will cause a blip I've read, but I have never seen anything before saying pure fat needs or causes an insulin response. My coffee rarely has butter, it's usually coconut oil and olive oil. Maybe once a person is fully diabetic damn near anything would do it, but plenty of studies have confirmed following a keto diet can take people off their diabetes meds, so not even sure about that.

Did you do it over the window described in the video?  

Keto diets will get people off of their meds, but look at the long term studies -- lots out there.  But all of the studies I've read show that after a year, the benefits start to reverse as keto is inflammatory and the body starts to respond accordingly.

Bullet Proof Coffee?  You're aware that whole claim is a marketing ploy from Asprey...I met/saw him when he was still doing the cyber gig and he was not "vegan" as claimed.  The BS goes from there.  (BTW -- I tried Bullet Proof Coffee at a place that was was a BPC store since I'd met Asprey, it was delicious and that was it.  Grabbed a coffee mug to prove I'd gone there.  Drinking processed SFAs (from the MCT oil) and SFA loaded butter didn't make sense.)

eg:

You see it wasn’t the magic butter coffee that gave him boundless energy.

It wasn’t the bulletproof diet aimed at taking away all of those toxins that changed his physique to that of a ripped gym rat.

No. It was none of those things. What was it?

Testosterone. Modafinil. Thyroid Meds.

That’s right. Part of the story was that all of that self-experimentation included taking drugs.

And I give Asprey credit, he has acknowledged their use openly, which means there’s no blatant fraud going on. But it’s not part of the story he’s selling. He mentions the use in order to acknowledge it but then he simply downplays how much of a role it plays in his own energy and physique changes. Whenever asked about it Asprey simply mentioned “I monitor my blood levels, and the physique remains whether they are at 2,000 or 10,000 (of testosterone)” So, therefore, it can’t be the testosterone right?

This is akin to the argument that Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire still had to hit all those baseballs right! It wasn’t the steroids, they still did it.  I’m sorry sports fans, but that argument is bunk.

Source: www.scienceofrunning.com/2014/12/why-bulletproof-dietcoffee-is-based-on.html?v=47e5dceea252

Many, many more things that can be posted on BPC and Asprey, but not enough time.

We also know MCT Oil (a highly processed palm kernel product with zero nurtients) is horrible for the environment (putting on my tree-hugger shirt):

Palm oil has been and continues to be a major driver of deforestation of some of the world's most biodiverse forests, destroying the habitat of already endangered species like the Orangutan, pygmy elephant and Sumatran rhino.  www.wwf.org.uk/updates/8-things-know-about-palm-oil#:~:text=4.,pygmy%20elephant%20and%20Sumatran%20rhino.

Affects of deforestation to produce MCT oil, etc.:

[Homoside Harvest]

The world is not yet ending; carry on and spread the fear.

"It takes about four years for oil palms to produce fruits suitable for harvest. Each tree will then continue to produce fruit for up to 30 years, at which point they will have grown to around 40 feet tall." --Source: www.goldenagri.com.sg/oil-palm-grown/

[TexasRanger]

Jan 30, 2024 17:47:24 GMT Homoside Harvest said:

The world is not yet ending; carry on and spread the fear.

"It takes about four years for oil palms to produce fruits suitable for harvest. Each tree will then continue to produce fruit for up to 30 years, at which point they will have grown to around 40 feet tall." --Source: www.goldenagri.com.sg/oil-palm-grown/

Hmmm.

Apparently the entire reason for the concern such as destroying large ecosystems is irrelevant?  And four years for the trees to grow...in the meantime, all of critical oxygen-producing habitat is lost.  

Makes sense to me...just so we can have our processed palm oils.  

[mr potatohead]

Jan 30, 2024 17:53:22 GMT TexasRanger said:

Jan 30, 2024 17:47:24 GMT Homoside Harvest said:

The world is not yet ending; carry on and spread the fear.

"It takes about four years for oil palms to produce fruits suitable for harvest. Each tree will then continue to produce fruit for up to 30 years, at which point they will have grown to around 40 feet tall." --Source: www.goldenagri.com.sg/oil-palm-grown/

Hmmm.

Apparently the entire reason for the concern such as destroying large ecosystems is irrelevant?  And four years for the trees to grow...in the meantime, all of critical oxygen-producing habitat is lost.  

Makes sense to me...just so we can have our processed palm oils.  

Climate alarm is another wokie scam. Fear over nothing.
Do you really think that the people who make their living from producing coconut oil are so stupid that they are going to destroy their own business?

[TexasRanger]

Jan 30, 2024 22:00:05 GMT mr potatohead said:

Jan 30, 2024 17:53:22 GMT TexasRanger said:

Hmmm.

Apparently the entire reason for the concern such as destroying large ecosystems is irrelevant?  And four years for the trees to grow...in the meantime, all of critical oxygen-producing habitat is lost.  

Makes sense to me...just so we can have our processed palm oils.   

Climate alarm is another wokie scam. Fear over nothing.
Do you really think that the people who make their living from producing coconut oil are so stupid that they are going to destroy their own business?

Mikey - Get your facts straight if you're going to post stuff, please.  Who is talking "climate alarm" or "wokie scam".  Jesus H F-ing Christ, dude...they're DESTROYING those areas to clear the area for their business.  Not sure how that equates to destroy[ing] their own business?    

Alrighty, lets think about this for a second:

1.  The dumbasses rip out the natural habit, destroying "homes" for a variety of wildlife and plants.  Plants -- you know.  Those green things that exchange CO2 for O2.  Gone, finished, burned to the ground.
2.  Now, as mentioned it will be four years before anything substantial is grown in these areas.  So, all of that biodiversity is frigging gone.  The ground is also wide open for erosion...all of that valuable topside once protected will be eroded by storms, high winds.  (Aren't you the one always talking about no minerals, etc., in US soil?  Well, US farming techniques are coming to a bountiful rainforest near you.)
3.  By year four, the trees planted are producing their palm kernels.  So what -- the ground is still a s__t pile after being wiped out.

Lets consider a similar situation (and I'm assuming you don't have kids since you don't appear to care): the Amazon is being wiped out to grow cattle -- beef to be sent primarily to the US, in some areas to drill for oil.  Indigenous tribes are being wiped out, the forests are disappearing at an alarming rate per day.  In 2023, an area the size of Puerto Rico went through deforestation so you can have your steak.

But I guess that is also a "wokie scam" and "climate alarm".  Just like the Catholic Nuns who went to Brazil to protest the deforestation, the murder of the local tribes.  And they wound up dead...wokie, wokie, huh?  

[WokieWokieRanger]

This is precisely why I stopped eating and drinking all forms of nourishment other than my own urine. I have become perpetual.

[mr potatohead]

TR,
Perhaps if you would vet your sources, you'd know that they are full-on pushing for Billy Goats "Net Zero" BS.
In a China Dialog from July, 2023, the same China Dialog group from which you grabbed that "National Enquirer" sensationalistic propaganda photo of "deforestation", comes this proclamation by your global "experts":

China remains a key target for strategic campaigning, but India is still the world’s largest palm oil importer. Consuming over 8 million tonnes
each year, the commodity has come to account for around 40% of India’s total vegetable oil consumption.
In a drive to become self-sufficient in oil, the Indian government has been promoting domestic cultivation with an ambitious goal of increasing the area under cultivation by 300% by 2026.

However, as Lou Del Bello explains in her article, these plans have ignored the impact that climate change is having on India’s rainfall.

As the impacts of climate change are increasingly felt around the world, Chih-Ching Lan and I explore how the industry can act towards
its ‘net-zero’ goals.

From science- based target setting, to supporting small-scale farmers, removing atmospheric carbon, and installing methane capture facilities, the list goes on. But ultimately, there will be no net zero without ending deforestation.

It's just more BS climate change alarm propaganda.


I chuckled over this one: "..... science-based target setting ....."     

[captkronos]

As for keto, I think it would take an exceptional person to stay on a ketogenic diet beyond a year. I worked with a girl who kept her child on it for some medical reason, but as an adult in real world America, it's akin to staying a choirboy in a cathouse. Temptation is everywhere, the whole society is built around instant gratification. Burgers and fries, pizza, pasta, potatoes are everywhere, wheat is everywhere (donuts...mmmmm). Just saying I think it's easier for 99.9% of people to find fault with a diet than admit they're not capable of doing it. I tried for years, seriously years, to even make it beyond a few days. Finally, I made it like 6 months. I developed a kidney stone, but now I realize 1. I NEVER drink water and 2. I was still eating a lot of high oxylate foods, namely almond flour to replace wheat. I dropped about 20lbs and have only regained about 7 over the last 5 years, but I never "felt" better than when I was doing keto. It ain't easy being cheesy. It would have been easy for our ancestor hunter-gatherers to stay in ketosis, they had no choice. I always say walk out in the woods right now and tell me how many plants you can find to fill you up. But anyway, I love olive oil, tuna packed in it, sardines packed in it, anything less than that isn't worth eating.  Also, there actually are some people who follow a plant-based keto diet.  This isn't talked about much but it's entirely possible. 

[brothersteve]

Is it just for MCT oil?

"Billionaires’ Land Grab: Why Are the Super Rich Buying Up California Farms?" www.analyzingamerica.org/2024/01/752609/

[mr potatohead]

Jan 31, 2024 17:48:57 GMT captkronos said:

As for keto, I think it would take an exceptional person to stay on a ketogenic diet beyond a year. I worked with a girl who kept her child on it for some medical reason, but as an adult in real world America, it's akin to staying a choirboy in a cathouse. Temptation is everywhere, the whole society is built around instant gratification. Burgers and fries, pizza, pasta, potatoes are everywhere, wheat is everywhere (donuts...mmmmm). Just saying I think it's easier for 99.9% of people to find fault with a diet than admit they're not capable of doing it. I tried for years, seriously years, to even make it beyond a few days. Finally, I made it like 6 months. I developed a kidney stone, but now I realize 1. I NEVER drink water and 2. I was still eating a lot of high oxylate foods, namely almond flour to replace wheat. I dropped about 20lbs and have only regained about 7 over the last 5 years, but I never "felt" better than when I was doing keto. It ain't easy being cheesy. It would have been easy for our ancestor hunter-gatherers to stay in ketosis, they had no choice. I always say walk out in the woods right now and tell me how many plants you can find to fill you up. But anyway, I love olive oil, tuna packed in it, sardines packed in it, anything less than that isn't worth eating.  Also, there actually are some people who follow a plant-based keto diet.  This isn't talked about much but it's entirely possible. 

"Ketosis" = calorie restriction.
Yeah, if you under-eat your required maintenance calories for a year, I'd expect you're gonna be close to starving, m8s.

Just do Weight Watchers. You'll be fine.

[jonrock]

Eat grass in all fours, be on the receiving end and supress your rationale and instincts.

[captkronos]

My latest dietary experiment combines trying to save money and doing my own version of intermittent fasting. As much as I would like to do keto again, I like saving money more. I am trying to eat all the food I have in the freezer and pantry, lots of cans of spam, tuna, sardines, chili, beef stew, rice, ramen, some real meat in the freezer...probably like any average place. I am basically doing intermittent fasting now, a plate of whatever I can scrounge up from the pantry/freezer, then stopping eating at 3pm. The next morning, I have a bullet proof coffee, then eat whatever I want between 11am-3pm, which is when I'm usually hungry anyway. This is a good compromise so I don't waste all that food I've accumulated, and also don't put on any (new) fat by limiting my carbs after 3pm. My goal this year is minimalism, so this way of eating makes sense. Today I had spam with potatoes and black beans (the only kind I can tolerate) and rice about 2pm. That's a lot of carbs, but I think if that's it til tomorrow I'm doing better than 95% of America.