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Post by moxohol on Oct 4, 2020 12:15:00 GMT
Saint Michael: U are absolutely right in terms of seeking medical expertise. Something analogous to anyone representing themselves in a courtroom has a fool for a client. Trust me when I say the doctors here aren't worth spit & I wouldn't put much stock in their diagnosis. The people nearly killed me with their collective subpar skillsets. I have a competent doctor in mind who'll gladly examine me when he blows into town soon. I can't use analgesics or painkillers as both items inhibit healing. So in the meantime, I'll just have to suck it up but I'm not going to suck on my thumb either. I've locked on to a few procedures besides isometrics that give my shoulders relief now. It was long duration isometrics performed at 50% effort that wrecked my shoulders anyways. Damn, lost my mostly typed post...I was saying I find your comments on pain killers interesting and I think iy was Laird Hamilton, legendary surfer, who said something similar. I think he believes the pain is part of the healing mechanism, a required stimulus. I think it was during his Joe Rogan interview, but if not, lots of good stuff here from a super fut, innovative guy I've said nothing new here. There's a load of medical studies on NSAID's, sleeping tablets & painkillers since the 1980's that support taking them do inhibit healing. In fact, taking anti-oxidants blunt muscle growth. Lactic acid stimulates Growth Hormone production which is stated in any standard physiology textbook. To accelerate the healing process, I'm doing something now I hate doing but like the results: leg calisthenics & fasting for the next 4 days. Why? In a word: Autophagy. Fasting stimulates stomach peptides like BPC-157 which has great healing properties. I'm going to be one hungry m**********r when this fast ends! Thx for the video post.
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Post by stuke on Oct 4, 2020 13:14:24 GMT
Damn, lost my mostly typed post...I was saying I find your comments on pain killers interesting and I think iy was Laird Hamilton, legendary surfer, who said something similar. I think he believes the pain is part of the healing mechanism, a required stimulus. I think it was during his Joe Rogan interview, but if not, lots of good stuff here from a super fut, innovative guy I've said nothing new here. There's a load of medical studies on NSAID's, sleeping tablets & painkillers since the 1980's that support taking them do inhibit healing. In fact, taking anti-oxidants blunt muscle growth. Lactic acid stimulates Growth Hormone production which is stated in any standard physiology textbook. To accelerate the healing process, I'm doing something now I hate doing but like the results: leg calisthenics & fasting for the next 4 days. Why? In a word: Autophagy. Fasting stimulates stomach peptides like BPC-157 which has great healing properties. I'm going to be one hungry m**********r when this fast ends! Thx for the video post. Moxohol, I admit I don't delve into these things or study them beyond a very basic level. Very interesting though, I will do a little reading. Laird Hamilton is a very intereating character, his training methods are pretty cool, though not my cup of tea.
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Post by moxohol on Oct 4, 2020 13:41:02 GMT
I've said nothing new here. There's a load of medical studies on NSAID's, sleeping tablets & painkillers since the 1980's that support taking them do inhibit healing. In fact, taking anti-oxidants blunt muscle growth. Lactic acid stimulates Growth Hormone production which is stated in any standard physiology textbook. To accelerate the healing process, I'm doing something now I hate doing but like the results: leg calisthenics & fasting for the next 4 days. Why? In a word: Autophagy. Fasting stimulates stomach peptides like BPC-157 which has great healing properties. I'm going to be one hungry m**********r when this fast ends! Thx for the video post. Moxohol, I admit I don't delve into these things or study them beyond a very basic level. Very interesting though, I will do a little reading. Laird Hamilton is a very intereating character, his training methods are pretty cool, though not my cup of tea. U don't need to. U got me!(j/k) It may come as a surprise but I believe in K. I. S. S. I like to acquire a foundation of knowledge, but after vetting my facts, I select only the bits that apply. Discard the rest! That includes my circumlocution (look it up macky) which I'm still working on.
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Post by Michael on Oct 4, 2020 15:14:47 GMT
Moxohol I did email with Mike a lot but can't find the emails for some reason. Was a very nice guy and I always enjoyed what we talked about. Have You gone to a doctor to find out what's wrong with Your shoulder? Did you say tendonitis, is that in Your shoulder? I think I remember You saying in the past that You don't like therapists? I know You like studies and all that stuff. But have You ever just tried something different on Your own without a study? Sometimes full ROM may not be the thing for certain people and their body parts. Kind of like myself with isometrics. I had surgery on a five-degree separated shoulder. Bands worked really well for me. Michael, I did not realise you converesd with Mike. I really enjoyed his stuff and he did seem like a great guy. Yeah we emailed a lot right before he passed. We talked about training and other things. He was the one that got me close to getting a full range handstand pushup after I tried for years. Not sure if You seen this thread but this is some of the training ideas we talked about. He was a fan of Clarence Bass and Pavel's ideas. In some of his training he combined the ideas. sierraexercise.proboards.com/thread/1776/mike-joplin
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Post by vegetus25 on Oct 4, 2020 16:28:29 GMT
moxohol,
Can you expand on this statement, "It was long duration isometrics performed at 50% effort that wrecked my shoulders anyways." Why do you think they hurt your shoulders? What exercises were you performing? How often? How long were you holding each exercise? etc.?
Thanks
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Post by moxohol on Oct 4, 2020 19:50:27 GMT
moxohol, Can you expand on this statement, "It was long duration isometrics performed at 50% effort that wrecked my shoulders anyways." Why do you think they hurt your shoulders? What exercises were you performing? How often? How long were you holding each exercise? etc.? Thanks Because they were the only type of isometrics exercises being done exclusively ATT. The details aren't required. I was stupid. Pure & simple. I aggravated an already inflamed condition by articulating the affected joints more when I should have backed off altogether.
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Post by vegetus25 on Oct 4, 2020 20:38:27 GMT
moxohol, Thanks, I have been doing them for a few months now and have not had a problem with my shoulders, but wanted to see if I should watch out for something. Unfortunately, you said it was because of stupidity, so there is a high probability I will be having shoulder issues in the future (since I am also afflicted with that condition). My elbows don't like something I am doing. I think it is isometric tricep exercises, but can't say, yet. The investigation is on!
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Post by moxohol on Oct 5, 2020 8:36:59 GMT
moxohol, Thanks, I have been doing them for a few months now and have not had a problem with my shoulders, but wanted to see if I should watch out for something. Unfortunately, you said it was because of stupidity, so there is a high probability I will be having shoulder issues in the future (since I am also afflicted with that condition). My elbows don't like something I am doing. I think it is isometric tricep exercises, but can't say, yet. The investigation is on! The final nail in my inflamed condition was what I read here & other sources. That was hanging from a bar to get relief after the problem mildly popped up from rotator cuff stuff. It was the worse thing I could have done. I did rotator cuff exercises (awkward angles) to strengthen them ATT. 50% effort/1 minute/4-6 sets.<<<<<that started to set off the inflammation. Bar hanging was the blowtorch. I'm doing contralateral training for my right shoulder now & my left shoulder was throbbing this morning despite doing nothing. The best advice I ever got here was doing light isometric shoulder presses which did provide relief which I got from Bob50. I'd like to make a suggestion here: take a packet of gelatin with NO added sugar & not more than 1g of vitamin C ingested 30m to 60m prior to practice(1). It DOES make a significant difference in regards to ur joints. Hopefully, all this blah-blah will be of some use to you. REF: (1) Harness The Power Of Your Muscle Matrix www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/harness-power-your-muscle-matrix/
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 5, 2020 18:14:27 GMT
Late to the thread, but, there's a doorway row that I can suggest works quite well: 1. Stand in front a door. 2. Grab the handles -- left hand/left handle, right hand, right handle. Whatever is comfortable. 3. Squat down to parallel or so. 4. If you're strong, place your feet further forward on either side of the door. You may want to wear something that is non-slip on your feet. WARNING: be careful, as the stretch/pull across the lats -- at least for me -- was incredible. I have not done them since January or February, as I've got other options since I'm not traveling due to COVID. I learned this little exercise in Health for Life's The Weightless Workout:
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 5, 2020 18:21:15 GMT
BTW, for shoulders: in the end, you've really got to find what works for you. I have to be careful with push ups (but still incorporate them), or, I end up up with discomfort and Advil and heating pad the next day, but, I've got 2 x 100lb DBs and will do a couple of sets of 8 reps for slow reps (6 - 8 seconds down/up with a static hold) and zilch issues. Or, long hold isometrics...as long as I'm fully braced, everything's at the optimal moment arm and no problem...will hold the DBs for a minute and do a 10 second negative.
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Post by moxohol on Oct 10, 2020 6:50:07 GMT
moxohol, Can you expand on this statement, "It was long duration isometrics performed at 50% effort that wrecked my shoulders anyways." Why do you think they hurt your shoulders? What exercises were you performing? How often? How long were you holding each exercise? etc.? Thanks I'm passing this on as reference material. It may be of help for shoulders. I'm doing high reps. 30 for upper. 40 for lower. Contralateral training: Right upper; left lower; mid-section daily. For upper right using the door post: Joplin Rows, incline push ups, footstool step ups, Decline shoulder press <<<<done in that order. For decline shoulder press: I flair my elbow out by gripping palm parallel along the leading wall edge. You'll need to play with this last exercise a bit to find ur groove. The aforementioned exercises are easy to do. It all depends on the gradient u decide to use. I do them all through out the day. Mid-section is trained once. Rest Intervals is 1-2 days depending how I feel.
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Post by vegetus25 on Oct 10, 2020 18:14:14 GMT
moxohol, thanks for the information
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Post by Michael on Oct 11, 2020 0:09:28 GMT
Moxohol I think I understand what You wrote. Sounds like a good combination of exercises, working the whole body. So, how do Vegetus and Yourself like the Joplin Rows?
Texas made a good point," You've really got to find what works for you". That goes for everything. One thing I've noticed with my shoulders is always doing the same exercises tends to eventually make them feel like it's time for a change. Also doing the same rep ranges all the time. Isometrics jack up my surgical repaired left should. Although, Fast's doorway overhead push which Mr.P brought to my attention feels good. I have found no matter what I do the Sierra bands and bent laterals make my shoulders feel the best.
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Post by vegetus25 on Oct 11, 2020 1:05:07 GMT
Michael, I have not really tried the Joplin Rows yet. I am babying my elbows at the moment. They are in my future plans. Thanks again for the info on them.
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Post by moxohol on Oct 11, 2020 4:54:09 GMT
The Joplin Row & 1 arm incline push up is done as a superset. The step up gives my shoulder a rest while doing something constructive. The shoulder press is modeled on the therapeutic isometric press that Bob50 mentioned. The 1 arm row was unproductive. So, I dumped it. The contralateral training effect is help the opposite injured shoulder. All I know is it aches like hell afterwards whenever I train my good shoulder. So there is an element of truth to the concept but not the attribute I desire.
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