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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 16:31:55 GMT
I'm interested to know if people on here follow a set routine with the aim of progressing each workout ? Weather that be adding reps, weight or minimising rest times ?
For the past year i have been following a set routine (push pull) and have gotten good results but the negative for me is that i find it absolutely boring ! The thought of knowing what you have to do the next day the next week and so on takes away the excitement for me , i find training much more interesting when i just make it up as I go along and treat it more like play instead of something that i have to get done .
It would be good to here all your views on this !
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Post by moxohol on Jan 23, 2020 17:18:42 GMT
I'm interested to know if people on here follow a set routine with the aim of progressing each workout ? Weather that be adding reps, weight or minimising rest times ? For the past year i have been following a set routine (push pull) and have gotten good results but the negative for me is that i find it absolutely boring ! The thought of knowing what you have to do the next day the next week and so on takes away the excitement for me , i find training much more interesting when i just make it up as I go along and treat it more like play instead of something that i have to get done . It would be good to here all your views on this ! I like progressive overload as well as the next guy. I tend to stick to general prep phase(GPP) workouts like PHA or combined TSC & calisthenics. As I'm not after any athletic skills or Olympic gold, sticking to a general framework allows me enough flexibility to add the strength, endurance & volume component as needed. So, I found it best to work with a routine as your roadmap but take your detours as needed.
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Post by jonrock on Jan 23, 2020 17:27:20 GMT
Baz, I feel the same as you.
No routine is my routine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 17:37:27 GMT
Jonrock 100% mate !
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Post by fredhutch on Jan 24, 2020 15:55:35 GMT
I have a "routine" of sorts only in the sense that I have a general idea of what I'm going to do. For example, today I worked my upper back for about half an hour, which is typical for me, I like high volume for the most part; and my emphasis lately there has been to work up to doing an honest-to-God Gironda pullup, so I do that specialization work first, and then more general stuff. But I have no plan as to how many sets I will do, I just do it until I've had enough. Tomorrow I will work either upper legs, shoulders, or neck and upper traps--because I am "due" for those again--and I will do whichever I feel I can do the most justice to. Anything I don't do tomorrow will get hit the next day or the day after. So you can see I usually have options for the next day and like I said no preplanning about how many sets or whatever. I work grip or forearm every day (different aspects each time) and abdominals every day. I workout seven days a week, by the way. Now and then I structure my workout differently for a few weeks just to keep things interesting. For example, a while back I did Tony Salvitti's "double shot" system--train the same bodypart(s) two days in a row and then switch to different bodypart(s) for the next two days, and so on. I liked it but I wouldn't want to do it all the time. Spent a month doing the contralateral thing recently also. And one thing I'm planning on doing any day now is a volume drop, as I mentioned I like high volume but I know the value of doing low volume for two or three weeks, I won't plan ahead for it but one day I'll just train half the body (probably a push-pull split) with one exercise per bodypart and so on for a few weeks, I'd be willing to bet that when I do that my strength and muscle size will take a big jump upward.
One thing I plan on doing sometime is workout solely according to the pump. According to Vince Gironda in his book "Unleashing the Wild Physique", John Grimek would do an exercise until he got a pump, then do one more set for good measure and stop. Sometimes I do get a huge pump on my first set of the day, and while up till now I always go on for the usual time, I would like to try the Grimek approach and see how it works....you could consider this a method for determining your volume right on the spot rather than ahead of time. Gironda noted that he himself would do sets until the pump started to go away and then stop--which might also be worthy of an experiment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 17:17:33 GMT
Thanks for the reply mate i enjoyed reading that ! Your style of training is very similar to mine when I'm not following a routine like i have been for the past year . Today I did 300 squats, and a few high rep sets of suspension rows and 20 minutes of shadow boxing so tomorrow I will hit chest, shoulders and maybe arms which i will plan out in the morning . People rant and rave how you need a structured routine or you won't see results but that's just bollocks ! When I spent time in prison i never followed a routine and neither did any of the other lads. Push your body each day and you will be strong n fit !
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Post by mr potatohead on Jan 24, 2020 18:42:24 GMT
I'm interested to know if people on here follow a set routine with the aim of progressing each workout ? Weather that be adding reps, weight or minimising rest times ? ........ No. Doesn't even cross my mind until someone mentions it. I mostly do the same as you guys in my approach, which is unstructured. I do whatever exercise that will feel good at the time or that I think will be beneficial, but there are some exercises that I typically do once or multiple times every day. Sometimes I become obsessive with a certain exercise(s) for a while and then drift on to something else. BTW, I use the word "exercise" to mean lifting, carrying, stretching, calisthenics, bands, whatever. I don't do "routines" although I could name exercise that I do routinely ( ). I don't like to think of it that way. I want to keep playing. "Routine" sounds, well, routine - boring. "Workout" and "train" are two more words that I don't apply to my exercise sessions for the same reason. Your comment: Could you define what you mean by "push"? One of the reasons that I can exercise every day is that I don't do what I would call, "push". I have, in the past, "pushed" myself and needed a week (sometimes longer if I hurt myself) to recover and move normally again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 20:47:22 GMT
You are right mate, maybe " push" was the wrong word to use .
Basically just do something everyday that puts the muscles under stress but just enough so that you can come back the next day and hit another workout . I like to listen to my body and give it what i feel it can handle on that day which is usually high volume calisthenics with a sprinkle of isometrics, DVR and DSR'S to finish off . On days when i feel like shit with no energy i usually do some "light tension" isometrics and the DVR routine from PYTP.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jan 24, 2020 21:44:33 GMT
All good, m8. I don't think it is the wrong word, it was just that the meaning was vague to me. I agree with your definition. Thanks!
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Post by Michael on Jan 25, 2020 0:47:22 GMT
I have a "routine" of sorts only in the sense that I have a general idea of what I'm going to do. For example, today I worked my upper back for about half an hour, which is typical for me, I like high volume for the most part; and my emphasis lately there has been to work up to doing an honest-to-God Gironda pullup, so I do that specialization work first, and then more general stuff. But I have no plan as to how many sets I will do, I just do it until I've had enough. Tomorrow I will work either upper legs, shoulders, or neck and upper traps--because I am "due" for those again--and I will do whichever I feel I can do the most justice to. Anything I don't do tomorrow will get hit the next day or the day after. So you can see I usually have options for the next day and like I said no preplanning about how many sets or whatever. I work grip or forearm every day (different aspects each time) and abdominals every day. I workout seven days a week, by the way. Now and then I structure my workout differently for a few weeks just to keep things interesting. For example, a while back I did Tony Salvitti's "double shot" system--train the same bodypart(s) two days in a row and then switch to different bodypart(s) for the next two days, and so on. I liked it but I wouldn't want to do it all the time. Spent a month doing the contralateral thing recently also. And one thing I'm planning on doing any day now is a volume drop, as I mentioned I like high volume but I know the value of doing low volume for two or three weeks, I won't plan ahead for it but one day I'll just train half the body (probably a push-pull split) with one exercise per bodypart and so on for a few weeks, I'd be willing to bet that when I do that my strength and muscle size will take a big jump upward.
One thing I plan on doing sometime is workout solely according to the pump. According to Vince Gironda in his book "Unleashing the Wild Physique", John Grimek would do an exercise until he got a pump, then do one more set for good measure and stop. Sometimes I do get a huge pump on my first set of the day, and while up till now I always go on for the usual time, I would like to try the Grimek approach and see how it works....you could consider this a method for determining your volume right on the spot rather than ahead of time. Gironda noted that he himself would do sets until the pump started to go away and then stop--which might also be worthy of an experiment.
Hi Fred, Couple of questions. I believe You've said in the past that You don't do any formal cardio? So doing Your exercise non-stop is what You do right? I have "Unleashing the Wild Physique" on my Kindle. As You know he talks about hyperventilating between sets. If I remember right he says to do it through pursed lips and also to do 5-10 breaths? Are these breaths fast/slow? Would You be willing to explain this to me? Have You used this and what are Your thoughts on it? Thanks!
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jan 25, 2020 3:53:15 GMT
I think that a person can only adhere to a set routine for just so long before it gets to be too repetitious. On the other hand, exercise has an accumulative effect, and in order to make significant gains, you gotta do the same routine for an appreciable amount of time. Right now I'm into my winter training in which I am adhering strictly to an ambitious PR routine until Spring. After that, I'll probably be at the height of my enthusiasm and keep going with it, maybe even get really stoked and add to it. When summer turns into fall, that's when I wind down and back up and regroup, cut back, do a mix of different things, until January 1st, when I begin my winter training for a new year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 10:04:09 GMT
Good stuff Bruce. If you can stick to a routine and enjoy it then crack on!
As i already said I've been doing the whole routine thing for the past year and although initially i make good gains in size the results don't continue and i seem to go back to square one despite making progress in overload either through increasing reps or making the exercise harder . To try and combat this i have been constantly switching up the exercises or taking more rest days and again i make good initial gains but then they stop . Now when i look back at all my time training (before this last year) I have NEVER followed a routine and have always been muscular and strong and i also enjoyed my workouts a hell of a lot more !
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Post by pierinifitness on Jan 25, 2020 15:40:23 GMT
I currently walk through my fitness training rotation cafeteria and choose from these menu selections depending on how I feel:
1 - pull-ups and chin-ups
2 - bar dips
3 - pull-up hang hold and handstand against wall hold
4 - slam ball work
5 - burpees
6 - running
7 - step-ups
8 - Goblet squats and walking lunges
9 - Heavy Hands
10 - KB complex and KB chain work
I change menu selections from time to time.
I generally sprinkle training intensity hot sauce on my selections.
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Post by fredhutch on Jan 25, 2020 16:12:36 GMT
Hi Michael--
I don't do any traditional cardio anymore and doubt I ever will again...I have been heavily influenced by PHA training, also Bud Jeffries "Twisted Conditioning" and Emerson's "Chain Reaction Training"...since my goal is to have strength and endurance at the same time, they have to be trained together.
I have never done the Gironda style hyperventilation between sets; I'm willing to take his word that it works, I've just never felt moved to do it...and again, most of the time I'm moving from one exercise to another with no rest so there is no pause for breathing techniques. I have long been a big believer in the use of forced breathing during sets, as is done in the classic "breathing squat" program...Peary Rader of IronMan magazine reported that while on the breathing squat program he had phenomenal endurance, he said he would go hiking in the mountains and would leave all his friends behind, he had such fabulous lung power. My own experience is similar...I am convinced that the endurance and lung power from breathing squats is far superior to anything you can get with typical aerobic activities, plus it builds strength and muscle at the same time. Mike Brown also talked up the benefits of breathing squats in his knife fighting book "Prison's Bloody Iron".
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Post by machinehead on Jan 25, 2020 17:50:07 GMT
I'm a creature of habit (I fear change), so I lean towards the same routine, always incorporating swings, and including a combo or a singular selection of the ab wheel, pushups, and lately experimenting with isometrics. Exercise by itself is somewhat generic in definition -- my wife went in for a physical and the doctor told her, in one of her concluding statements, that she should get some "exercise". My thought was, this is like telling someone they need to take some "medicine" in that it creates questions along the lines of "what am I trying to fix?"... in other words, there needs to be some kind of goal in mind, otherwise how am I to know if I'm doing the right thing and how do I measure progress? So, with this in mind, for myself, I'm rationalizing my progress by saying if I can do the same amount of work today as I did yesterday, I'm making progress because I'm a day older today then I was yesterday and as I age, strength and performance decreases (as demonstrated by age group competitions -- you have 90 year olds who are running a 100 yard dash in minutes rather then seconds, like they used to do back in their day). Plus, selecting from a limited set of exercise options means I don't need to think as much. "Thinking" was never one of my more impressive characteristics. Just ask my ex-wife.
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