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Post by doomfarer1 on Jan 16, 2020 2:08:36 GMT
If you’re strapped for cash to buy the original, You don’t have to buy anything from BB you can Watch Wendie Pett do them all in the Exercises section of Transformetrics site. There’s only like 7 of them, High Reach, One Hand Chin, Barrel Squeeze, Wrist Twist, Shoulder Roll, Half Squat, Ab squeeze. Most of these are also in the Charles Atlas course in some form as well. It's not about being strapped for cash, but I won't pay 170$ for 3 pages, and the item does not ship to my country even if wanted to. I wanted to read the exact words of the author, thus my request for these 3 pages. Apologies Silver, wrote that on the go. Phrased it wrong. I too, like to have originals/from the horse’s mouth. Hope you find it.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jan 16, 2020 2:55:42 GMT
I asked someone about this and he told me that You can see them in John McSweeney's book," Street Karate" also. The book is expensive. He said," It's also in the back of Street Karate and you can see it on Amazon in the "search in the book" if you search for Tiger Moves. If you do the "Look inside" you can see all the exercises and descriptions if you search "Tiger moves". I tried this but I couldn't get it to work. He did send me screenshots to my email. Technology-wise I'm terrible so I don't know how to put this stuff up. If someone can try to tell me how to do it I'll try to put it up for Silverlooks. Or maybe Bruce could help me. This does seem to work. Now that Silverlooks' problem is solved, can someone send me a scan of Steve Justa's Super Strength Bible? Would anyone happen to have a copy of Gerbils in Bondage?
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Post by fredhutch on Jan 16, 2020 16:07:38 GMT
Bradley Steiner sells a PDF of the Tiger Moves for $4 US. Go to his site, www.americancombato.com, on the left side of the page click on the January 2020 newsletter and scroll down to the PDF Training Briefs section, Brief #33 is the Tiger Moves. He doesn't say who the author is for this material, but I would guess it is either an article or a book excerpt from McSweeney; however, just to make sure, you can email Brad at americancombato@gmail.com and ask him who the author is, I am sure he would be delighted to help you and answer any questions. He and McSweeney were pals and learned from each other. Interestingly, Brad has been promoting weight training for martial arts since the 60's, but he says that everyone, even barbell men, should learn the Tiger Moves also. You do have to mail in your order--quite a ways from Lebanon to Seattle--but then he emails you the PDF. Let us know how it goes.
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Post by Silverlooks on Jan 17, 2020 21:54:06 GMT
Thank you Michael, Pierini, Magnus, doomfarer, deucegunner, mr potatoehead, josepz,& fredhutch for your concern and assistance.
I was able to get McSweeney's video demonstration of the tiger moves, and read the exercise description in the Street Karate book.
I won't judge the man by his looks or his cringeworthy imitation of tiger walk and stretch, for I've seen he's a respected figure among some karate groups. He also didn't make exaggerated claims like someone else did.
I practiced his exercises yesterday, using a method Solytrain recommended for tiger moves, in one set:9 reps at 50% intensity, 6 at 75%, and last 3 at 100%.
I liked the tension in both directions, it saves time and exercise count, and accelerates muscle fatigue.
Again, as experienced with Bruce's KSHD, no change in muscle feeling after workout, but a decent pump the next morning. Still a sort of mystery.
I feel a bit of soreness in triceps from the wrist twist exercise.
For the knee bend, I had to imagine the hamstrings being biceps and quads being triceps and giving glutes and calves an extra squeeze.
Standing in either lunge and horse stance position while doing upper body exercises is a good idea to pre-exhaust legs (a little) before the knee bend exercise.
I liked the stomach roll exercise, never did it before, and his assertion on belly (not chest) breathing during exercises.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jan 17, 2020 22:02:48 GMT
Great, Silvertoes! I'm happy to see that the good people of this forum were able to help you find what you were looking for! Again, as experienced with Bruce's KSHD, no change in muscle feeling after workout, but a decent pump the next morning. Still a sort of mystery. Blood occlusion.
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Post by chanduthemagician on Jan 17, 2020 22:14:21 GMT
I won't judge the man by his looks or his cringeworthy imitation of tiger walk and stretch Glad you found the docs. Agree - nice to get it from the author. Have you read any of Harry Wong's stuff? On another note and why I quoted what I did. I think the exercises are good. I just think his explanation of animals stretching under tension that he and later Jim Forystek talked about. Sure, they do it. But I think the fact that they can do what they do is part in parcel of the animal itself. Thinking that a little stretching under tension is what gives animals their great strength or speed is ridiculous. Let's talk lever lengths, size of joint and so on. So I was at a zoo a few years ago and decided to observe like Big Jim Forystek. This was my conclusion. I watched a Gorilla eating a mango. He'd eat it, puke it up, and eat it again. I thought, wow. Look at the strength the Gorilla has. I've since started recycling my food and my strength has sky rocketed, but I still have a long way to go. I am starting to wonder if his incredible hand strength might come from the fact that he has a 14 inch wrist....
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Post by Silverlooks on Jan 17, 2020 22:20:40 GMT
I won't judge the man by his looks or his cringeworthy imitation of tiger walk and stretch Glad you found the docs. Agree - nice to get it from the author. Have you read any of Harry Wong's stuff? On another note and why I quoted what I did. I think the exercises are good. I just think his explanation of animals stretching under tension that he and later Jim Forystek talked about. Sure, they do it. But I think the fact that they can do what they do is part in parcel of the animal itself. Thinking that a little stretching under tension is what gives animals their great strength or speed is ridiculous. Let's talk lever lengths, size of joint and so on. So I was at a zoo a few years ago and decided to observe like Big Jim Forystek. This was my conclusion. I watched a Gorilla eating a mango. He'd eat it, puke it up, and eat it again. I thought, wow. Look at the strength the Gorilla has. I've since started recycling my food and my strength has sky rocketed, but I still have a long way to go. I am starting to wonder if his incredible hand strength might come from the fact that he has a 14 inch wrist.... Yes McSweeney's justification for the Tiger's muscle mass is silly. But it's just part of the marketing scheme. I don't think he actually believed so. I just disregard it along with other non-scientific stuff he said, and went right into the actual exercises. No I have not read about Harry Wong. I'll do when I have time and find the material.
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Post by Silverlooks on Jan 17, 2020 22:28:02 GMT
Not wise from his parents to put "Harry" next to "Wong" though.
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Post by chanduthemagician on Jan 17, 2020 22:31:05 GMT
Glad you found the docs. Agree - nice to get it from the author. Have you read any of Harry Wong's stuff? On another note and why I quoted what I did. I think the exercises are good. I just think his explanation of animals stretching under tension that he and later Jim Forystek talked about. Sure, they do it. But I think the fact that they can do what they do is part in parcel of the animal itself. Thinking that a little stretching under tension is what gives animals their great strength or speed is ridiculous. Let's talk lever lengths, size of joint and so on. So I was at a zoo a few years ago and decided to observe like Big Jim Forystek. This was my conclusion. I watched a Gorilla eating a mango. He'd eat it, puke it up, and eat it again. I thought, wow. Look at the strength the Gorilla has. I've since started recycling my food and my strength has sky rocketed, but I still have a long way to go. I am starting to wonder if his incredible hand strength might come from the fact that he has a 14 inch wrist.... Yes McSweeney's justification for the Tiger's muscle mass is silly. But it's just part of the marketing scheme. I don't think he actually believed so. I just disregard it along with other non-scientific stuff he said, and went right into the actual exercises. No I have not read about Harry Wong. I'll do when I have time and find the material. Harry wrote a book called Dynamic Tension, but later due to issues with the Charles Atlas org had to change the title to dynamic strength www.goodreads.com/book/show/304980.Dynamic_StrengthIt's basically Charles Atlas type strengthening or Kin Shi-Hai Do
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Post by chanduthemagician on Jan 17, 2020 22:36:46 GMT
Not wise from his parents to put "Harry" next to "Wong" though. Nope. I was in Washington DC in the 1990's. There was a Chinese Restaurant named The Big Wong. Nor this guy's parents.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jan 17, 2020 23:08:23 GMT
Harry collaborated with his brother, Wally Wong on another exercise book. It's pretty good, but I don't think it's as good as the one written by Samuel Wyte. Two Wongs don't make a Wyte.
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Post by Magnus on Jan 18, 2020 2:02:07 GMT
Harry collaborated with his brother, Wally Wong on another exercise book. It's pretty good, but I don't think it's as good as the one written by Samuel Wyte. Two Wongs don't make a Wyte. True Story: Did you know that full blooded Asian brothers Harry and Wally Wong had a younger brother that was born looking at least half African American ?... His name was 'Sum Ting Wong'
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Post by pierinifitness on Jan 18, 2020 3:00:05 GMT
Thee kata Sanchin perhaps best demonstrates dynamic tension:
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Post by Dave Reslo on Jan 18, 2020 3:32:23 GMT
Thee kata Sanchin perhaps best demonstrates dynamic tension: That's good but is it a virtual encyclopaedia of destruction?
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Post by doomfarer1 on Jan 18, 2020 4:05:01 GMT
A nice angle/variation on Bruce’s KSHD and the Tiger Moves is to go the Greg Mangan route with VRT - lifting movements coupled with using visualization to imagine/ visualize an extreme situation to increase self-induced exertion. Applied to Tiger Moves it can be used during the “heavy” reps. This can also be utilized while doing ISOs. In his pamphlet Greg describes squeezing boulders to powder and pulling his arms down and behind his back while imagining his arms tied to two teams of horses pulling in opposite directions, in order to avoid being “drawn and halved”. His point is, do it vividly and make it fun and interesting.
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