Michael
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Post by Michael on Jan 11, 2020 21:09:19 GMT
I like those training sessions too.
I honestly respect what Silverlooks does. To do the 30-30-30 protocol You need to be able to have mental toughness. Whether You like Drew Baye or not there's nothing wrong with that protocol. I did the 30-30-30 for a while. I'm more of a variety guy so I didn't stay with it. I like movement exercise more. I'm nowhere in Silverlooks league and it has worked for him.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jan 11, 2020 21:39:00 GMT
Yes, it sounds as though we are ridiculing Drew Baye, but he did come up with a very effective isometric protocol, and he is a known Internet figure. Like Michael, though, I just don't have the patience for 30-30-30.
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Post by Magnus on Jan 11, 2020 22:09:51 GMT
That's why Chandler Marchman is one of my go to fitness guys when I'm looking for fresh ideas. He walks the talk and his videos are short and to the point with him ALWAYS demonstrating. He's one YouTube fitness guru not afraid to take his shirt off for the viewers to showcase what he's got and needs to work on. His workouts are damn tough!
YES ! ...he absolutely 'walks the talk' and gets right to the point, I like it
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Post by Magnus on Jan 11, 2020 22:23:37 GMT
That's why Chandler Marchman is one of my go to fitness guys when I'm looking for fresh ideas. He walks the talk and his videos are short and to the point with him ALWAYS demonstrating. He's one YouTube fitness guru not afraid to take his shirt off for the viewers to showcase what he's got and needs to work on. His workouts are damn tough!
....forgot to add that the fantastic looking 'Forward Sled Drag' exercise isn't anything that video and seminar 'star' expert Drew Baye would recommend, because according to him "walking isn't exercise" .....LOLOLOLOL
He actually said that in his video where he dissed one of the absolute BEST exercises that anyone can do, the 'Farmers Walk'....
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Post by Magnus on Jan 11, 2020 22:32:02 GMT
'Coach' Vaughn is also someone that 'walks the talk', gets right to the point, and actually demonstrates his expertise. I highly recommend his FREE teachings if you choose to learn steel clubs and maces...
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Post by mr potatohead on Jan 12, 2020 0:36:55 GMT
.... forgot to add that the fantastic looking 'Forward Sled Drag' exercise isn't anything that ...... Drew Baye would recommend, because according to him "walking isn't exercise" .....LOLOLOLOL
He actually said that in his video where he dissed one of the absolute BEST exercises that anyone can do, the 'Farmers Walk'....
Drew Baye speaking was annoying to me to listen to anyway, but that ^^^ was the point where I shut the video off. If he doesn't know that, I can't trust him for info that I haven't heard before. Seems Baye is just pontificating on the methods originated by Ken Hutchins? (BTW, I still don't care if he's fat, or has B.O., or whatever ..... about his appearance. It doesn't affect the validity of what he's saying. What he said is what affects the validity of what he's saying, IMO.)
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Post by chanduthemagician on Jan 12, 2020 0:58:36 GMT
I gotta think at some point with all the kettlebells and the way he does his exercises, one day his shoulders will go to hell.
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Post by chanduthemagician on Jan 12, 2020 1:13:10 GMT
Seems Baye is just pontificating on the methods originated by Ken Hutchins? (BTW, I still don't care if he's fat, or has B.O., or whatever ..... about his appearance. It doesn't affect the validity of what he's saying. What he said is what affects the validity of what he's saying, IMO.) Drew, Dr. McGuff and a couple others really push the workout types of Ken Hutchins, not because it's sexy or flashy, but because it's effective and the chance of injury is nill. This is a interesting and something some of you will strongly disagree with. However, I'd say it's true from what I've seen. Skip forward to 18 minutes if the video doesn't start there. McGuff is talking about cross fit. Baye and McGuff are coaching safe productive exercise that is good for the muscles and body in general and comes with nearly no risk. Both will tell you if you want to excel at Oly lifting or some other strength sport you need to do that. They are trying to push a method that will help anyone. If you don't like those types of workouts, it's a tough pill to swallow. "conflating mechanical work with metabolic work"
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Post by Magnus on Jan 12, 2020 1:52:53 GMT
I gotta think at some point with all the kettlebells and the way he does his exercises, one day his shoulders will go to hell.
Who ?
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Post by chanduthemagician on Jan 12, 2020 2:08:06 GMT
I gotta think at some point with all the kettlebells and the way he does his exercises, one day his shoulders will go to hell.
Who ?
Marchman
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Post by jonrock on Jan 12, 2020 9:29:06 GMT
...he did come up with a very effective isometric protocol, and he is a known Internet figure... The protocol is Hutchin's (that we know of). It does not matter if he is known or not. Baye is qualified to talk about safe exercise and his info is solid, but he is not qualified to talk about other matters which he lectures people about (other training modalities, genetic potencial, etc...). Regarding the info about this thread in his books and the (long) video: - I like the safety guidelines - long holds are fantastic in some exercises - it all could be said in 5 minutes - he forgets that many people have gotten strong and jacked with short isometrics (Zass, Breitbart, J C Tolson, modern day russian strongmen) - OR maintained/improved said physique, in an all-iso or part-iso routine. Basically most honest circus strongmen using chains, bars, hip and thigh lifts, back lifts and the likes - he talks like his modality is the best and others are sub-par, even states it in many interviews and podcasts trashing other modalities: big talk, he should back it up
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Post by Magnus on Jan 12, 2020 13:32:45 GMT
...he did come up with a very effective isometric protocol, and he is a known Internet figure... The protocol is Hutchin's (that we know of). It does not matter if he is known or not. Baye is qualified to talk about safe exercise and his info is solid, but he is not qualified to talk about other matters which he lectures people about (other training modalities, genetic potencial, etc...). Regarding the info about this thread in his books and the (long) video: - I like the safety guidelines - long holds are fantastic in some exercises - it all could be said in 5 minutes - he forgets that many people have gotten strong and jacked with short isometrics (Zass, Breitbart, J C Tolson, modern day russian strongmen) - OR maintained/improved said physique, in an all-iso or part-iso routine. Basically most honest circus strongmen using chains, bars, hip and thigh lifts, back lifts and the likes - he talks like his modality is the best and others are sub-par, even states it in many interviews and podcasts trashing other modalities: big talk, he should back it up
Very well said !
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Post by Michael on Jan 12, 2020 14:40:38 GMT
Yeah pretty well said Jonrock. Not putting down the methods, if You like it and it works for You great. A lot of gurus talk as their modality is the best and everything else is not good. Guys like Jack Lalanne made a living using weight, calisthenics, running, and swimming. Would You question if he was wrong? I don't believe any one thing is the magic elixir for every single person. For me, the magic elixir is common sense. If You like it, it's not a drag, and it works for what You want, Then do it.
Chandu or anyone else, Can You help me understand the part of the video I watched? I watched from 18 minutes until about 30 minutes. That's all I had time for. I'm not sure if I understood it right. Did McGuff pretty much say You don't have to get Your heart rate up to improve Your cardiovascular health? If so can someone explain this because I don't get it? I know Silverlook, Jonrock, and Macky are isometric practitioners. I would like to hear their thoughts on cardio/endurance as it pertains to long term use of isometrics. I'm more questioning what McGuff said about Your heart rate not going up and improving Your cardio if I understood it right. When I did Steve Justas aerobic isometrics, long holds, my endurance was pretty good. Thanks.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jan 12, 2020 15:51:38 GMT
........ - it all could be said in 5 minutes ........ - he talks like his modality is the best and others are sub-par, even states it ......... Yes, he COULD say it in 5 minutes, but, I think he loves to hear himself talk like an authority and 5 minutes wouldn't give him enough time to repeat, several times, the sales pitch for his methods. He's using a proven sales pitch method that has been used in written adverts for ages. People will read long, entire full page ads or entire books that are nothing more than advertising, they will convince themselves by the prolonged exposure (brainwash themselves) and then buy the product. Same principle applies to media/internet advertising. The reason companies use that strategy is because it works. Buy The Hook Buy The Hook Buy The Hook Buy The Hook Buy The Hook Buy The Hook Buy The Hook Buy The Hook Buy The Hook Buy The Hook Buy The Hook Buy The Hook Buy The Hook
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Post by jonrock on Jan 12, 2020 15:53:15 GMT
Michael, for me endurance with isometrics comes from going from exercise to exercise with as little rest as possible.
Short holds in a circuit manner: - mid press, top press, bent over row, rest 20 seconds and repeat - hip and thigh lift/back lift, neck flexion, neck extension, rest 20 seconds and repeat These are just examples, I do these kind of circuits for 10 to 14 seconds per exercise, near max tension and repeat them various times. Sometimes 2 circuits in the same workout, other times 1 circuit many times.
Other times I do short holds in 20 different exercises and repeat some of the exercises, do them unilateral or something.
When finished I am perspiring and feel great. If the heart rate does not go up, I dont think endurance is trained properly. But it shouldn't go up until your heart explodes, it doesnt feel good. At least for me.
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